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The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

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You replying to my statement is defensive.

How is replying to someone's statement automatically defensive?

the most compelling aspect of Two-Face is his character arc and, by the sounds of it, that's what we're getting, a fully developed character. And if Nolan favors Two-Face as Long Halloween style vigilante, as opposed to his later mobsterism, I'm cool with that. It has the most dramatic potential.

I agree,

I just don't wanna see him die at the end though. He didn't die at the end of The Long Halloween.
 
I just don't wanna see him die at the end though. He didn't die at the end of The Long Halloween.

Well he did in Dark Victory...for about 3 pages...and in a manner similar to the movie apparently.
 
the most compelling aspect of Two-Face is his character arc and, by the sounds of it, that's what we're getting, a fully developed character. And if Nolan favors Two-Face as Long Halloween style vigilante, as opposed to his later mobsterism, I'm cool with that. It has the most dramatic potential.

I agree, but another interesting aspect is

Batman/Bruce Wayne trying to rehabilitate his friend, and not just throwing him in Arkham. I recall B:TAS touching on this a bit in the first few Two-Face appearances. It would have been cool to see Bruce visiting Harvey and trying to help him find his identity again in the sequel. Something it sounds like we won't get now.
 
I agree, but another interesting aspect is

Batman/Bruce Wayne trying to rehabilitate his friend, and not just throwing him in Arkham. I recall B:TAS touching on this a bit in the first few Two-Face appearances. It would have been cool to see Bruce visiting Harvey and trying to help him find his identity again in the sequel. Something it sounds like we won't get now.
That would have been excellent! Now it sounds like we will get something
similar to Venom in SM3. :csad:
 
Ha Ha.. its seems like we guys here are coming up with our own movie... we should start a thread gicing ideas for a 3rd batman film... maybe nolan might take a few pointers from there...
 
Ha Ha.. its seems like we guys here are coming up with our own movie... we should start a thread gicing ideas for a 3rd batman film... maybe nolan might take a few pointers from there...

Ugh, I hope not. Fan boy ideas are never any good.

And hes not getting the Venom treatment. Harvey is the story in this film.
 
Ugh, I hope not. Fan boy ideas are never any good.

And hes not getting the Venom treatment. Harvey is the story in this film.

Lol yeah.. ive already seen some ideas here and they are pretty ridiculous.. harvey and the lazarus pitt.. lol.. you guys should've learned by now what's running in nolan's mind..
 
I really just don't want to believe that...you know. It just seems to go against all that the introduction of Two-Face represents--the final straw which transfers power to the freaks of Gotham. When it's just Scarecrow and Joker running around, it's not much of a rogues gallery, is it?
 
Scarecrow ushered in the 'freaks'.

It's the Joker who solidifies their power in Gotham ("this is MY town now").

Harvey's rise and fall is caught between the two.

As for rogues gallery, there is still plenty of time for that.
 
Scarecrow ushered in the 'freaks'.

It's the Joker who solidifies their power in Gotham ("this is MY town now").

Harvey's rise and fall is caught between the two.

As for rogues gallery, there is still plenty of time for that.
But Two-Face is a staple of the Batman universe--he's basically the #2 baddie, behind the Joker. I just don't see how they could kill him off in 30 minutes, when there's such potential in a sequel.
 
But Two-Face is a staple of the Batman universe--he's basically the #2 baddie, behind the Joker. I just don't see how they could kill him off in 30 minutes, when there's such potential in a sequel.


We still aren't sure that he's going to die... so don't lose hope..
 
I could kinda see the riddler as more of a jigsaw like person solve the riddle or die.

But if you make The Riddler a straight up killer I feel that you take away the power of his character, namely that he is a loser. A man with such bloated self importance that he's a joke to almost every section of Gotham's underworld. He constantly looks to rise up the ranks but doesn't have the stomach to pul off the big crimes.
Whereas The Joker crippled the daughter of a police commisioner and Two-Face assassinated Carmine Falcone The Riddler couldn't do any of these things without serious thought.
You may say that his ineffectiveness is a weak point but I feel that someone so pathetic, when cornered, can become very dangerous. But we mustn't delude ourselves that he can be as cold blooded as The Joker or Dent. Because that's just not in his character.
 
The riddler would make a great supporting character.. He wouldn't fit in the movie as the main baddie...
 
You replying to my statement is defensive. So unless you feel there is a need to be a hypocrite...oh, you do.
No, it was corrective, and it isn't clear that you know what "hypocrite" means. :cwink:
 
If killing the villian makes the story better, then by all means I don't have a problem. It's when they kill off the villian just for the sake of killing him that I might have a problem with it, and with this I seriously doubt that will be the case.

That's just it, though. How does killing the villain that should have an ongoing affect on Batman and his life make the story better?
 
But Two-Face is a staple of the Batman universe--he's basically the #2 baddie, behind the Joker. I just don't see how they could kill him off in 30 minutes, when there's such potential in a sequel.

First off, we have don't actually know the circumstances of
Two-Face's death
so until we see it, we can't tell if its clear-cut or ambiguous.

Also, Nolan has said many times that with TDK all he cared about was making the best film possible. If that involves Two Face
dying
then so be it. I trust Nolan. He is one of the few Hollywood directors who has never made a bad film and is completely trustworthy IMO.
 
Are you really comparing Two-Face to Venom in ''Spider-Man 3''?

Sometimes, i fell like losting faith in humanity...
 
I just had an interesting theory about Dent, Maroni, and motives... it's probably not correct at all, in fact, I don't think it is, but it's interesting nonetheless.

The Joker takes over the mob--we know this. Now, with all of that political stuff that's going on between Joker, the Mob, Sal Maroni, Corrupt Cops, and Harvey Dent, it's probably safe to say that the mob is looking for whatever dirt on H.D. they can find. The Joker, however, being an anarchist, just wants to kill him and get it over with.

Now, suppose that the Mob finds something that puts a little stain in the White Knight's armor. It kind of breaks this savior picture the people have of him. Maybe it paints him an outright hypocrite. Or, it doesn't even really have to do with that--it just may be his association with Batman in private, and his public outspoken 'tude against him. In either case, Harvey Dent appears to be a two faced hypocrite.

Now, for the Mob, for Maroni, to just kill Dent would be compassionate, in comparison to this new info about him that tarnishes his record. So perhaps they set up the big scarring thing, where they set him down, half of his face first in some gasoline, pushes him against it, and lights it on fire...creating the Two-Face.

Then, it becomes a Scarlet Letter, basically. Then, not only does it set up some more interesting situations regarding Dent, but it also leads quite logically to his becoming a vigilante. That, of course, puts Batman into another rough dichotomy, or perhaps deeper into his current one, regarding his presence vs. his effect.

What do you guys think?
 
Are you really comparing Two-Face to Venom in ''Spider-Man 3''?

Sometimes, i fell like losting faith in humanity...

well im going to compare robin in nolans batman to venom is spidey 3. thats why im glad he wont do it. he doesnt like or understand the character. we cant force him to put robin in if he doesnt understand him. look what happened to spidey 3. biggest dissapointment of my life. ever. it started off good, but went to complete crap in the second half.
 
Ugh, I hope not. Fan boy ideas are never any good.

And hes not getting the Venom treatment. Harvey is the story in this film.

Not true, most are crap, but a few I've read are really good.

And yes, he is not getting the Venom treatment so stop saying that people!!! :cmad:
 

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