The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[Rezzo]

Is this the from the scene where he first gets burnt?

Yes.

 

[ronny]

Must be, the green dots were probably for all the fire that would be added later by the technical monkies.

 

[Dr. Crane]

i think Emma ( Nolan's wife and producer) saying that it was left ambiguous was brilliant.. people will watch the movie again just for that scene... did two-face breath at all?.. memorizing the dialogue.. just in case it's different from the script... just brilliant... fuel for the arguement..

this doesn't mean we will ever get the answer of coarse.. i mean if we didn't get the answer in this movie.. who's to say it we will get in the next one... they mat never tell us..

IMO... dead.. bring on Catwoman and Bane...

 

[Rikxiepoo]

i think Emma ( Nolan's wife and producer) saying that it was left ambiguous was brilliant.. people will watch the movie again just for that scene... did two-face breath at all?.. memorizing the dialogue.. just in case it's different from the script... just brilliant... fuel for the arguement..

Indeed.

this doesn't mean we will ever get the answer of coarse.. i mean if we didn't get the answer in this movie.. who's to say it we will get in the next one...

Well thats the whole point. You dont reveal it 100% in order to keep that air of mysteriousness around the third film. Keeps people wondering and fans having geekasms.

bring on Catwoman and Bane...

I agree with this part, but adding Two-Face in there .

 

[Shane Diesel]

i think Emma ( Nolan's wife and producer) saying that it was left ambiguous was brilliant.. people will watch the movie again just for that scene... did two-face breath at all?.. memorizing the dialogue.. just in case it's different from the script... just brilliant... fuel for the arguement..

this doesn't mean we will ever get the answer of coarse.. i mean if we didn't get the answer in this movie.. who's to say it we will get in the next one... they mat never tell us..

IMO... dead.. bring on Catwoman and Bane...

I agree simply b/c we're getting mixed signals. Jonah Nolan said in an interview that two face is dead and Emma Roberts is saying there's some ambiguity.

I personally think he's dead b/c Gordon waited around while the cops swarmed the place. I doubt Dent would've been able to just get up and disappear without someone noticing him. He'd be struggling to get himself up and Gordon would have noticed. I also don't buy the whole Gordon locked him up in Arkham argument. That sounds way too contrived.

 

[Beanjuice]

Is this the from the scene where he first gets burnt?

no they're mud wrestling

 

[weezerspider]

How is it cheesy? It is perfect foreshadowing and even better allegorically speaking. Harvey Dent died a hero to the public's eyes and Batman lived long enough to become the villian in the public's eyes but it was actually reverse.

It was the way Dent said it during the dinner scene. It just came out forced and cheesey. When Batman says it at the end its perfect.

 

[Shane Diesel]

It was the way Dent said it during the dinner scene. It just came out forced and cheesey. When Batman says it at the end its perfect.

I think it fit the moment. When couples are out to dinner having fun and have had a couple of drinks they can ham things up a bit when they're conversing.

 

[Indrid Cold]

....So who thinks Harvey Dent is not actually dead but, secretly admited to Arkham?

 

[Mangelo]

Dent is breathing at the end. Whether it's a mistake or not, he's breathing at the end. And it has nothing to do with the camera movement. Bottom Line: Emma Thomas was brilliant to say it's ambiguous.

 

[Dr. Crane]

jeeeez.... i got to see it again and watch Aaron to see if he breathes.. good god... haha.. uh no... sorry... he's dead. (IMO)..

but i'll be watching it again none the less...

 

[ronny]

If Dent ever returns (A big "if", dependant on whether he's alive or dead) I'd like to see his gang be comprised of the ex Citizens For Batman members. He wants to clean up Gotham at the barrel of a gun and so do they.
But I think it would be interesting in the comics and films if he made a habbit of giving his gang a "trial" after each job. Because he despises having to break the law but has to do so to acomplish his goals.
It would be cool to explore why anyone would work for the freaks when you're taking your life in your hands by doing so.

 

[Beanjuice]

i saw tdk again tonight an i noticed something. Joker says Dent is at 250,52nd street. 2..50 as in 50/50. 50,2nd street. kinda awesome if ya ask me

 

[Toxin72]

I have a question about two face. I don't know much about the comics at all but does two-face have two personalities in the comics? If so what do fans think about the fact that he doesn't in this film?

 

[Beanjuice]

I have a question about two face. I don't know much about the comics at all but does two-face have two personalities in the comics? If so what do fans think about the fact that he doesn't in this film?

it is two personalities but in both comics and th film their are not exaggerated to the point that you know. its more like an inner torment where good in him is conflicting with evil,and he believe that there are two sides to everything,and so he leaves his decisions to chance.

 

[FoJacob]

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. If Harvey's dead, okay, too bad but I can live with it. If he's alive, great, I'll be glad to see him again.

But I'd like to hear from those of you who feel strongly that he is dead. Would you feel cheated if he were to pop up again in the next film? Would it lessen your opinion of Nolan and company, or would you just kind of shrug your shoulders and go along with it?

 

[Ziggyman]

...He's alive...

 

[Rincewind]

But I'd like to hear from those of you who feel strongly that he is dead. Would you feel cheated if he were to pop up again in the next film

Not so much cheated, as disappointed.
And yes - I liked Two-Face in TDK almost as much as the Joker, but the way things developed in the end of the movie, he MUST be dead. Only that way the arc is closed and the ending makes sense.

Would it lessen your opinion of Nolan and company

Immensely. If they bring back Ra's or Two-Face with some half-assed explanation like "Ha, I jumped from the train in the first movie, now tremble! What? What does it mean "who the hell are you?", you are just a regular moviegoer and you don't remember the villain in a 5-6 year old movie, shatap!" or "Hmm... Look, Jim, Two-Face is alive, heh? Well, let's put him secretly in Arkham then, like a jar of jam in a cellar. Because, who cares that this is public asylum and the word would spread quickly as hell? Aaaand... you give him a fake public funeral, you hear? Yeah, I'm taking the blame for his crimes now, no matter that he is alive and it's gonna be clear to everyone who sees him that he's gone insane and evil, gotta go now!"

Just... bring new guys for the third movie, if there is one, and be done with it.

 

[ronny]

Has anyone here read the Two-Face story in Joker's Asylum? One of the better Two-Face stories around at the moment. And I hope that this movie creates a new interest in the character and leads to a better role for Dent in the comics. Rather than the tired "Harvey gets his face repaired" angle.

 

[Rincewind]

Yeah, it was nice. Especially the part when Two-Face revealed that the tied Batman was fake and the gun was empty, and everything the guy should have done was to pull the trigger instead of trying to be a hero. It was a nice twist.

I didn't like the art at all tho.

 

[ronny]

I don't know, it was nice to see Two-Face without green or purple skin.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i know this interpritation of two face isn't a schizo, but i would of liked to see some conflict within himself. maybe a scene where hes deciding what to do with weurtz and cant decide. Maybe his bad side and good side are arguing with each other ala Gollum in LOTR (but obviously not comedic) and then he decides to flip on it?

 

[Allan31]

Harvy is dead, Two-Face is alive.
Nolan was careful to show us that a fall from three stories up would not kill Sally. Count the floors as Maroni falls. When Batman saves Gordons kid, he then falls three floors. Batman and Two-Face fell three floors.
The cops surrounded the building, batman runs away, cops in pursuit. Gordon and son walk off. Nobody watching Two-Face.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea i was thinking that, with all the cops chasing batman two-face could of easily skulked off down a alley. also i noted when harvey was talking to gordon on the roof
"you brought your cops?!?"
"they only know the situation, not who or what it is."

 

[Dr. Crane]

it seems they were careful to leave it ambiguous. . . but man did they do a great job at providing fuel for both sides of the argument..

sure the moroni quote and the height of the falls are similar... you can argue both points.. and i'm sure people will for quite some time... so cleverly done..

i think he's gone... loved him in the movie... Aaron did such a great job...
but personally... i've fallen from heights like that... i wasn't knocked out... and it hurt like hell.. and there's no way i was quiet.. actually embarrassing on how much yelling occurred afterward... but like i said... PAIN.

and if you're gonna say he got knocked out by hitting his head?... sorry.. that blow to the head would kill you for sure.. my bones did break... i made a lot of noise and was in a lot of pain... and there was a lot of blood... but i didn't expect them to show that either.... pg-13 and all..

i just don't think it makes a whole lot of sense for him to be not breathing.. not making a sound... but alive... could it happen?.. of coarse.. it's a movie.. but Nolan likes to claim realism... well.. if he survived that fall for real... he would have been moaning in pain to say the least...

just like moroni was..