The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[TLBorlando]

The Dark Knight was actually Two-Faces film, so people shouldn't get angry that he may not be in the 3rd film (if there is even going to be) honestly it wouldn't make any sense to make a 3rd film. What would be the purpose? Batman is hated by everyone, hes alone, and he understands that he will always have to protect Gotham, since its his fault to what it has become. That is the perfect way to wrap it up. Catwoman or any other villain, would serve no purpose in deepening the story or continuing Batman's journey. It ended with Joker and Two-Face, Batman's best villains ended Nolan's series. Hopefully...

You guys are crazy. [BLACKOUT]Two-Face dying[/BLACKOUT] is a rumor at this point. Most bloggers are calling for Nolan's head after hearing about the rumor. Most are saying this is the last Batman movie Nolan will do. There WILL be a BB3, you can count on it. Will Nolan be behind the cameras? We don't know. He's responsible for reinventing the franchise and now he is being blamed for messing it up. Just by that account, he sounds like the Batman himself.

You can tell a great story in BB3; all it will take is brains, pens, and pads. A redemption theme for the Batman is right up my alley. So what if you won't be able to use one or two or three villains in it? Many of the other great "realisitic" villains can be used.

 

[TLBorlando]

The Dark Knight was actually Two-Faces film, so people shouldn't get angry that he may not be in the 3rd film (if there is even going to be) honestly it wouldn't make any sense to make a 3rd film. What would be the purpose? Batman is hated by everyone, hes alone, and he understands that he will always have to protect Gotham, since its his fault to what it has become. That is the perfect way to wrap it up. Catwoman or any other villain, would serve no purpose in deepening the story or continuing Batman's journey. It ended with Joker and Two-Face, Batman's best villains ended Nolan's series. Hopefully...

You guys are crazy. [BLACKOUT]Two-Face dying[/BLACKOUT] is a rumor at this point. Most bloggers are calling for Nolan's head after hearing about the rumor. Most are saying this is the last Batman movie Nolan will do. There WILL be a BB3, you can count on it. Will Nolan be behind the cameras? We don't know. He's responsible for reinventing the franchise and now he is being blamed for messing it up. Just by that account, he sounds like the Batman himself.

You can tell a great story in BB3; all it will take is brains, pens, and pads. A redemption theme for the Batman is right up my alley. So what if you won't be able to use one or two or three villains in it? Many of the other great "realisitic" villains can be used.

 

[TLBorlando]

The Dark Knight was actually Two-Faces film, so people shouldn't get angry that he may not be in the 3rd film (if there is even going to be) honestly it wouldn't make any sense to make a 3rd film. What would be the purpose? Batman is hated by everyone, hes alone, and he understands that he will always have to protect Gotham, since its his fault to what it has become. That is the perfect way to wrap it up. Catwoman or any other villain, would serve no purpose in deepening the story or continuing Batman's journey. It ended with Joker and Two-Face, Batman's best villains ended Nolan's series. Hopefully...

You guys are crazy. [BLACKOUT]Two-Face dying[/BLACKOUT] is a rumor at this point. Most bloggers are calling for Nolan's head after hearing about the rumor. Most are saying this is the last Batman movie Nolan will do. There WILL be a BB3, you can count on it. Will Nolan be behind the cameras? We don't know. He's responsible for reinventing the franchise and now he is being blamed for messing it up. Just by that account, he sounds like the Batman himself.

You can tell a great story in BB3; all it will take is brains, pens, and pads. A redemption theme for the Batman is right up my alley. So what if you won't be able to use one or two or three villains in it? Many of the other great "realisitic" villains can be used.

 

[Gianakin_]

You guys are crazy. [blackout]Two-Face dying[/blackout] is a rumor at this point.

No, we're not. It's been confirmed by a valid and respected reviewer who was kind enough to make it 100% clear to us.

 

[Gianakin_]

Technical issues that Nolan isnt interested in. You really think he ll make a new film just to reconstruct the manor and the car?

namtaB didn't only make these points, don't take them out of context. A possible BB3 can have its theme and story and at the same time address the technical issues that Nolan LOVES to address.

 

[namtaB]

Technical issues that Nolan isnt interested in. You really think he ll make a new film just to reconstruct the manor and the car?


Also, Nolan's Batman stories are more than simple detective stories about a dude in a batsuit solving riddles and punching bad guys. He sets moral questions, he binds characters together, he explores them, he develops them.

It would be interesting to see his batman evolve even more. At least he cares for his characters, he isnt making mindless action flicks. It would be folly to ask for another director or for Nolan to stop.

Because as good as B89 was, what was the problem Bruce ever faced? How to kick Joker's ass and whether or not to tell the reporter his identity. The reporter who vanished in thin air in the sequel, so problem solved.

Most comic book writers and fanboys dont have the ability to construct such a wonderful and convoluted story as Nolan has. Most of us would make a flick based on Batman's brooding personality, punches and riddle solving.

For me, Nolan does so much more than that.

Thanks for taking my comments out of context. There's a strong redemption theme that can be explored just as much as fear and escalation. The issues with the cave, manor, batmobile are all peripheral however Nolan anally focuses on these technical issues and how they come about and what their purpose is so its asinine to say he's not interested in them.

 

[Mr. Earle]

No, they wouldn't have said the same thing about 2Face, he's the 2nd most important enemy (for some, he's the most important) of Batman.

And Nolan hasn't handled them exactly like the comics, but their characterisation is, for the msot part, pretty damn close, so that gives us a good indication of how the Riddler or Catwoman or whoever would be handled in a possible BB3.

Half of Superhero Hype would argue that because the Joker isnt permawhite he isnt the Joker. Thus they could argue about Nolan's faith to the original medium.

Some could also consider Catwoman the second most important. Anyway...

All i am saying, is that faithfull or not, Nolan doesnt just take those villains and pit them against a brooding batman who eventually beats them up.
His stories are convoluted, his characters have many relationships and interractions, their acts are justified and they always go through expansive development. Development which isnt cheap, its sophisticated and well thought out.

Cause having Brando mumble some quote is cheap character development.

Its weird, but my anticipation for this movie isnt about watching the batpod stunts or the new suit. Its more about seeing how this story comes out. How batman and the other characters evolve and progress. I havent felt that for any other movie, cause i knew spiderman would prevail (his city wasnt teared to pieces with people being brutally murdered and his name tainted) and i was more interested in Tony's suit than his struggles.

So we dont know whether Nolan will do one more, or 3 more (maybe a cool idea hits him while making the third and he wants to see it through) and we certainly dont know where he will take Bruce and which villain he will use to guide Bruce's development. Last but not least, we certainly dont know how he would use an ambiguous character like Catwoman.
I would bet my head that it would be more than what Burton touched in BR.

 

[TLBorlando]

No, we're not. It's been confirmed by a valid and respected reviewer who was kind enough to make it 100% clear to us.

My point is, I'm not going to complain about it and call for Nolan's head if it turns out to be true. I'm not going to believe one respected reviewer until I see the film myself.

 

[TLBorlando]

geez, slow posting today

 

[TLBorlando]

what the ?

 

[Gianakin_]

Half of Superhero Hype would argue that because the Joker isnt permawhite he isnt the Joker. Thus they could argue about Nolan's faith to the original medium.

That's why I said he doesn't handle them exactly like the comics, but the matter we were talking about is their characterisation. We can't expect or predict how they'll be presented appearance-wise, but their characters and motives are similar to their comic counterparts, so we can take a shot at how he'll present Catwoman or the Riddler.

Some could also consider Catwoman the second most important. Anyway...

Well, I'm talking about the majority, of course. I agree with most of the rest of your post.

 

[Gianakin_]

My point is, I'm not going to complain about it and call for Nolan's head if it turns out to be true. I'm not going to believe one respected reviewer until I see the film myself.

Believing the particular plot element and complaining about it are 2 different points. Having gotten that out of the way:

1.I'll complain about it all I want, but I won't call for Nolan's head. Besides, the reason I'm complaining is mostly because Nolan might not return exactly because he [BLACKOUT]killed 2Face off[/BLACKOUT].

2.Don't believe one respected reviewer (or 3 or 5 or 10, because others have reported the same thing, too), it's certainly your right. Doesn't make it non-fact, though.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont know which reporter spoiled that and i frankly dont care. But you should consider the possibility that he is messing with us or that he got confused (Two-Face has staged his death many times).
I wouldnt like any villain to die of course (then having ten plastic surgeries and then being good, then bad, etc is stupid) but i wouldnt be so disappointed as long as Two-Face is well explored in this film.

Spoiler

But then, Two-Face is merely Dent seeking revenge and justice outside the law, not some deranged mobster, so in Nolan's story, there would be nowhere else to take him after he gets his revenge. Maybe he would commit suicide or rot in a cell.

I just dont want the joker to die, but then i think that he made all his points. As awesome as he might be, he will only give us awesome explosions in the third film and nothing more. Do we really need another story of him tempting batman to kill him and then batman barely restraining himself (oh, and his teeth falling off!). I guess not. Since Nolan is making 3 films, it would be wise to make a point at each film and not repeat himself. Thats why a new villain is needed in the third to shift the story towards another direction. The joker could still be used in providing awesomeness.

 

[Mr. Earle]

That's why I said he doesn't handle them exactly like the comics, but the matter we were talking about is their characterisation. We can't expect or predict how they'll be presented appearance-wise, but their characters and motives are similar to their comic counterparts, so we can take a shot at how he'll present Catwoman or the Riddler.



Well, I'm talking about the majority, of course. I agree with most of the rest of your post.

I cant really measure how important Catwoman is for Bruce. But yeah i think that Dent is the second most important villain because of his ties to Batman when they were fighting crime together and his ties to Bruce Wayne (they were friends in BTAS, i dont know about the comics). Nolan made him even more important to Gotham because he was really the White Knight and he really changed things. He is also more important to Bruce because he could have been the person to make batman redundant.

 

[Gianakin_]

2Face is more than Dent going vigilante. Dent gets lost in 2Face, thus being able to provide at least 1-2 interesting stories.

And I want as much Joker as I can get. Main villain or not.

 

[Gianakin_]

I cant really measure how important Catwoman is for Bruce.

I'd say very.

 

[TLBorlando]

Believing the particular plot element and complaining about it are 2 different points. Having gotten that out of the way:

1.I'll complain about it all I want, but I won't call for Nolan's head. Besides, the reason I'm complaining is mostly because Nolan might not return exactly because he [blackout]killed 2Face off[/blackout].

2.Don't believe one respected reviewer (or 3 or 5 or 10, because others have reported the same thing, too), it's certainly your right. Doesn't make it non-fact, though.

I'm glad that you came to your senses. You are complaining because Nolan, and you typed it yourself, Nolan might not return to do a third Batman movie. The words MIGHT NOT are huge in your statement. It's not confirmed, so why complain?

 

[Gianakin_]

I never left my senses. I complain because of

1.the possibility that he won't return and
2.the fact that 2Face's rest of potential (and there's plenty) will not be reached.

 

[Batman jr.]

I'm complaining that I haven't seen the film yet.

 

[TLBorlando]

I never left my senses. I complain because of

1.the possibility that he won't return and
2.the fact that 2Face's rest of potential (and there's plenty) will not be reached.

You understand that it's not confirmed that Nolan isn't coming back; that's all I can say about that. I don't complain about possibilities, personally.

If you want more of [BLACKOUT]Two-Face[/BLACKOUT], keep reading the comic books. [BLACKOUT]If the Two-Face death[/BLACKOUT] rumors are true, maybe they will do it in a way like they did for Ra's Al Ghul in which a [BLACKOUT]body is not shown.[/BLACKOUT] Maybe this possibility will make you happy again. Or do you know something about that too?

 

[TLBorlando]

I'm complaining that I haven't seen the film yet.

LOL, and that should be the only thing to upset people right now

 

[Mr. Earle]

2Face is more than Dent going vigilante. Dent gets lost in 2Face, thus being able to provide at least 1-2 interesting stories.

And I want as much Joker as I can get. Main villain or not.

Seconded. But only if it makes sense and not as a cheap gimmick.

I'd say very.

Yes very. I was just comparing her importance in the Batworld.

 

[Gianakin_]

You understand that it's not confirmed that Nolan isn't coming back; that's all I can say about that. I don't complain about possibilities, personally.

I do. And if the word "complain" sounds a bit too heavy for you, let me rephrase: Worried.

If you want more of [blackout]Two-Face[/blackout], keep reading the comic books. [blackout]If the Two-Face death[/blackout] rumors are true, maybe they will do it in a way like they did for Ra's Al Ghul in which a [blackout]body is not shown.[/blackout] Maybe this possibility will make you happy again. Or do you know something about that too?

I do know something about that:

Spoiler

His dead body and funeral are clearly shown

. That's why I'm unhappy. If the gave him a [BLACKOUT]comic-book death[/BLACKOUT], I wouldn't even bring it up as an issue.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Damn you my friend Gianakin and your spoilers!!! I couldnt resiiiiiiiist!!!!!

How do you people know all this stuff?
No, nevermind, dont tell me, dont tell me!!!!

 

[Gianakin_]

Damn you my friend Gianakin and your spoilers!!! I couldnt resiiiiiiiist!!!!!

How do you people know all this stuff?
No, nevermind, dont tell me, dont tell me!!!!

Lol, if I tell you our source, it won't change what happens to him. It was Moriarty from AICN who confirmed earlier reports and reviews that stated 2Face's fate.