Harvey Dent/Two-Face Thread

[Brother Jack]

Pretty sure it was this one.

Spoiler

I remember seeing that back in the day on this site and not believing it was real. I didn't think Nolan would go for something that exaggerated and, well, unrealistic (loathe as I am to use that word). I even recall a few chuckles in the audience when I first saw the film at the Two-Face reveal. But ultimately I think Nolan made the right call going this way, and I think the design acts as a good microcosm of his whole aesthetic, which was not actually realistic as much as it a kind of hyper-realism. Dent's face has the correct anatomy but obviously no human being could walk around and speak normally with that kind of damage. It's the same as his Joker, who looks more realistic with the makeup but is still presented in a larger-than-life, almost supernatural way. Or his Batman for that matter, where the gadgets are based on real-world technology but there's still room for a tank that can fly on rooftops and a cape that defies the laws of physics.

 

[shauner111]

I didn’t really care for the reveal when I saw it July 2008. I warmed up to it pretty quickly with multiple viewings but my first reaction was that it was too CG fake looking. And the alcohol scene was like straight out of a Snyder movie. Which isn’t bad but it’s slightly eye rolling after he throws so much gritty realism your way. That’s all of Nolan’s Batman movies though. So much grounded realism then suddenly he hits you with a super fantastical bit and kinda moves on from it quickly.

He HAS to be talking about in comic book movies named Captain America.

Yikes..

 

[emielaen]

Yikes..

Yeah, my immediate thought to the original post.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I will never watch that movie.

I thought it would be a funny hate watch. It wasn't. Learn from my mistakes, son.

Although I did legitimately burst out laughing when Trank bent over backwards to make their origin into a literal The Fly pastiche with them all getting ****ed up simultaneously as they teleport away in their own special way. Oh and then Sue gets her powers because... Well she has to somehow.

 

[metaphysician]

I thought it would be a funny hate watch. It wasn't. Learn from my mistakes, son.

Although I did legitimately burst out laughing when Trank bent over backwards to make their origin into a literal The Fly pastiche with them all getting ****ed up simultaneously as they teleport away in their own special way. Oh and then Sue gets her powers because... Well she has to somehow.

My own theory remains that Trank didn't want Sue in the story in the first place. Either because the script was totally a Chronicle 2 script before reworking, or because he just didn't want a female character in his bro vision and saw no problem with erasing her.

 

[Boom]

Dusting this suggestion back off.

Spoiler

 

[Deck Rickard]

I can dig that. Great actor and deserved a chance to be in a superhero movie.

He was Doctor Doom...

Don’t forget, he was also in the cinematic gem, BLOODSHOT.

 

[shauner111]

After watching Possessor again and this week I saw Black Bear. Yeah...I’m doubling down on Christopher Abbott.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I’m all Abbot that.

 

[emielaen]

After watching Possessor again and this week I saw Black Bear. Yeah...I’m doubling down on Christopher Abbott.

How was Black Bear?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

After watching Possessor again and this week I saw Black Bear. Yeah...I’m doubling down on Christopher Abbott.

It took a bit to warm to him but by the end of Possessor the slow-burn of hype around him the last couple years really clicked for me.

 

[shauner111]

How was Black Bear?

I loved it! Everyone will have their own theories, it’s that type of movie. Very creative. Aubrey Plaza is amazing.

 

[shauner111]

It took a bit to warm to him but by the end of Possessor the slow-burn of hype around him the last couple years really clicked for me.

For me it was Piercing that made me go “ok, I like the dude”. And now he just keeps choosing bold projects. His last couple of movies show a charming, natural actor with something lurking beneath the surface. His eyes can go intense suddenly like you don’t know if he’s genuinely the nicest dude in the room or if he’s secretly a psychopath who’s gonna bash your head in with a hammer. And then when he’s pushed too far in a argument or something, there’s a switch that goes off with Abbott. And he can return back to a calm state and make you forgive him almost instantly. No matter how frustrated you were with him before. It’s that natural ability to pull that off AND of course his looks/hair that make me think of Two-Face.

I mean, he was my pick for Batman along with Pattinson. He’s like the better Kit Harington. Everyone convinced me he was too short for Bruce Wayne. Which is like OK fair enough, so let me move him to the Harvey Dent role lol.

 

[emielaen]

I loved it! Everyone will have their own theories, it’s that type of movie. Very creative. Aubrey Plaza is amazing.

Dope. Always liked Plaza.

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[shauner111]

Hmmmm I’m kinda feeling it.

 

[DKDetective]

For some reason, when I was just scrolling by on my phone, Boyega really reminded me of a young Denzel Washington in this shot. Could just be the hairstyle, uniform, and lighting... I did watch Crimson Tide and Courage Under Fire a few too many times when I was younger.

 

[Eddie Dean]

He definitely has a Denzel vibe. When Attack the Block came out I remember people calling him Baby Denzel.

 

[MilkmanDan]

He definitely has a Denzel vibe. When Attack the Block came out I remember people calling him Baby Denzel.

I never really noticed it until Detroit. I guess it just didn't click until I heard him use an American accent.

 

[DKDetective]

He definitely has a Denzel vibe. When Attack the Block came out I remember people calling him Baby Denzel.

I never really noticed it until Detroit. I guess it just didn't click until I heard him use an American accent.

It's funny because John David doesn't really bear a strong physical resemblance to his Dad, but as soon as he starts talking in BlacKkKlansman, the mannerisms and voice definitely evoked Denzel for me.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It's funny because John David doesn't really bear a strong physical resemblance to his Dad, but as soon as he starts talking in BlacKkKlansman, the mannerisms and voice definitely evoked Denzel for me.

He does that wonderful laugh his dad has sometimes.

 

[CondimentKing]

Incoming wall of text!



I know that someone reportedly debunked this rumour awhile back, but I saw this and even though it likely means nothing at all (although keep in mind it's not on his IMDB or Wikipedia - the two things fans can just enter themselves), I'm putting on my tinfoil hat because I love it too much. Indulge me for a moment, even if it's sort of baloney.

A) McConaughey wants to do a comic-book role and has been looking for the right one for quite some time. These are from 2015:

"I've read some Marvel and DC scripts and I've talked about working with them on some scripts, none of which I'll share with with you what they are - or were. Yeah, I've circled some of those. Nothing has been right for me yet. But I'm sure open to it."

"It's very simple for me. I look at the script. Is the opportunity exciting? Is the money that comes with it exciting? Sure. Is it the possibility of going, 'Hey you can get on a train and it can be a franchise and you could do 3,4, 5, and have a great time as some kind of superhero or anti-hero.' But I would also look at something like that and say, 'Hey, in success that means you are on the train for a while.' "

"Contractually, you're going to return to the character over and over. It's something I asked myself is it something I'd want to return to. Would I be excited to go back and put the shoes on the character again? Going and doing the press tour with that group of people again? I always ask myself those questions again. It starts with the story and character."

Here's a quote from a 2018 Fandango interview when asked about doing a superhero movie: "... I’m like, what have I done that my kids can see? ... I’ll be there in a little while! I’ll do something."

B) While the rumour came from shady sources, it is true that it originated at the same time that the Andy Serkis and Colin Farrell rumours started - both of which did end up being true.

I'm not saying Dent will be even a remotely major part of the movie, but I think it's VERY possible that he could have a cameo - on a TV or mentioned, I don't know, but something to set him up for a sequel. There's no way Dent won't be in this trilogy, and it would be weird if all of the rumours of him existing in this world (like Firefly and Mad Hatter rumours) ended up being false, because there was a lot.

C) If it's a tiny role or cameo, it's easier to hide so it would be both a great surprise in the theatre and also wouldn't need to be revealed as part of the main cast. But then for a sequel, it's a major pull to get people to want to see the sequel even more. Think of how excited people were to see the kernel that was the Joker card at the end of BB explored in the next movie.

Here's my idea which I've mentioned a few times in an other thread or two before:

Harvey Dent is already Two-Face and disfigured, the DA before Coulson, or the one before that. This, firstly, eliminates retreading seeing the TDK fall from grace plotline but also works with what Reeves' motive is: dropping us into this world that's alive - just like how we aren't getting Batman's origin story again.

I've seen a few say that Bruce and Harvey should be similar in age and grow up as friends but I disagree. Here's my proposition: Harvey Dent was a failed more radical attempt at reforming Gotham and partly inspired Bruce to take up the mantle to change Gotham, knowing that men can make a difference. We can see glimpses of the Long Halloween Gilda & disfigurement story line (sans Batman) through how characters talk of Dent and what Bruce already knows about him. It fits into the corruption angle Bruce wants to fight (and how Reeves loves Dark Victory).

I wouldn't be disinterested in seeing the TDK story again but I think this is more interesting and already fits Reeves' motives with the movie that we know.

Also, when Bruce inevitably comes into conflict with Two-Face, he'll be fighting both a villain and one of his heroes - and he'll have to come to terms with that, which can lead to great moral conflict and scenes between Bruce and Alfred in discussing the situation. I think Two-Face being more sympathetic and depressed than straight up evil could be great. Don't know if he would be a pawn or full on mobster.

I think my boy Matthew McConaughey, especially after watching True Detective, would be PERFECT for an older, fragile and already disfigured fallen hero - but one who still thinks highly of himself in a way. He's excellent at playing weird mysterious characters where you learn and gain glimpses into his story like Rust in TD. If they go younger then I'd like Oscar Isaac or Gosling. I think a big name is the way to go here, especially if he's a major villain in the sequel.

Even if there isn't mention or a glimpse of Dent in this movie at all, it's also a very real possibility it can still happen in a sequel.

Aesthetically, he would be perfect for the well-dressed mob-esque version of Dent once he fully embraces who he now is. Just look at these from The Gentlemen:







That hair would be perfect for me, and I'd prefer it over short hair for Dent. It has a lovely flow that could be played with on the disfigured side.

TLDR: alright, alright, alrighttttt

 

[shauner111]

Incoming wall of text!

View attachment 41608

I know that someone reportedly debunked this rumour awhile back, but I saw this and even though it likely means nothing at all (although keep in mind it's not on his IMDB or Wikipedia - the two things fans can just enter themselves), I'm putting on my tinfoil hat because I love it too much. Indulge me for a moment, even if it's sort of baloney.

A) McConaughey wants to do a comic-book role and has been looking for the right one for quite some time. These are from 2015:

"I've read some Marvel and DC scripts and I've talked about working with them on some scripts, none of which I'll share with with you what they are - or were. Yeah, I've circled some of those. Nothing has been right for me yet. But I'm sure open to it."

"It's very simple for me. I look at the script. Is the opportunity exciting? Is the money that comes with it exciting? Sure. Is it the possibility of going, 'Hey you can get on a train and it can be a franchise and you could do 3,4, 5, and have a great time as some kind of superhero or anti-hero.' But I would also look at something like that and say, 'Hey, in success that means you are on the train for a while.' "

"Contractually, you're going to return to the character over and over. It's something I asked myself is it something I'd want to return to. Would I be excited to go back and put the shoes on the character again? Going and doing the press tour with that group of people again? I always ask myself those questions again. It starts with the story and character."

Here's a quote from a 2018 Fandango interview when asked about doing a superhero movie: "... I’m like, what have I done that my kids can see? ... I’ll be there in a little while! I’ll do something."

B) While the rumour came from shady sources, it is true that it originated at the same time that the Andy Serkis and Colin Farrell rumours started - both of which did end up being true.

I'm not saying Dent will be even a remotely major part of the movie, but I think it's VERY possible that he could have a cameo - on a TV or mentioned, I don't know, but something to set him up for a sequel. There's no way Dent won't be in this trilogy, and it would be weird if all of the rumours of him existing in this world (like Firefly and Mad Hatter rumours) ended up being false, because there was a lot.

C) If it's a tiny role or cameo, it's easier to hide so it would be both a great surprise in the theatre and also wouldn't need to be revealed as part of the main cast. But then for a sequel, it's a major pull to get people to want to see the sequel even more. Think of how excited people were to see the kernel that was the Joker card at the end of BB explored in the next movie.

Here's my idea which I've mentioned a few times in an other thread or two before:

Harvey Dent is already Two-Face and disfigured, the DA before Coulson, or the one before that. This, firstly, eliminates retreading seeing the TDK fall from grace plotline but also works with what Reeves' motive is: dropping us into this world that's alive - just like how we aren't getting Batman's origin story again.

I've seen a few say that Bruce and Harvey should be similar in age and grow up as friends but I disagree. Here's my proposition: Harvey Dent was a failed more radical attempt at reforming Gotham and partly inspired Bruce to take up the mantle to change Gotham, knowing that men can make a difference. We can see glimpses of the Long Halloween Gilda & disfigurement story line (sans Batman) through how characters talk of Dent and what Bruce already knows about him. It fits into the corruption angle Bruce wants to fight (and how Reeves loves Dark Victory).

I wouldn't be disinterested in seeing the TDK story again but I think this is more interesting and already fits Reeves' motives with the movie that we know.

Also, when Bruce inevitably comes into conflict with Two-Face, he'll be fighting both a villain and one of his heroes - and he'll have to come to terms with that, which can lead to great moral conflict and scenes between Bruce and Alfred in discussing the situation. I think Two-Face being more sympathetic and depressed than straight up evil could be great. Don't know if he would be a pawn or full on mobster.

I think my boy Matthew McConaughey, especially after watching True Detective, would be PERFECT for an older, fragile and already disfigured fallen hero - but one who still thinks highly of himself in a way. He's excellent at playing weird mysterious characters where you learn and gain glimpses into his story like Rust in TD. If they go younger then I'd like Oscar Isaac or Gosling. I think a big name is the way to go here, especially if he's a major villain in the sequel.

Even if there isn't mention or a glimpse of Dent in this movie at all, it's also a very real possibility it can still happen in a sequel.

Aesthetically, he would be perfect for the well-dressed mob-esque version of Dent once he fully embraces who he now is. Just look at these from The Gentlemen:

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That hair would be perfect for me, and I'd prefer it over short hair for Dent. It has a lovely flow that could be played with on the disfigured side.

TLDR: alright, alright, alrighttttt

I’m sold bro.

I still think the Succession dude is our Harvey Dent.

And although your “he’s already Two-Face” is my personal preference too. Way more interesting. I’m expecting Harvey Dent to come into a sequel and stay Harvey throughout the movie until he becomes Two-Face at the start of the third movie. Both are different approaches to TDK which introduces Dent until he becomes Two-Face halfway and then dies at the end. This is more gradual. But the Tommy Lee Jones approach could work wonders too (except this time he’d be in Arkham Asylum down the hall from the Joker. A two for one visit for Batman!).

As for McConaughey...I’m all for it. His performance as Rust Cohle is one of the best in the history of television. He’d be such a charismatic District Attorney. Gets to flex his McConauMuscles once he’s scarred up. And Matthew tends to go calmer so it would add a nice layer of unpredictability if/when he snaps in a scene. His name would draw so many more ppl to a sequel. NOW I’m gonna go research the origins and timing of that rumour.

If he’s the same age, I’m all about Christopher Abbott. But older is good as long as he’s a name that gets asses in seats. Gosling is way too busy, I just don’t see it. And he’s signed to potentially two new franchises. Matthew is someone I can see taking over a sequel as a lead villain. A mid 40’s southern Dent with dark hair (sounds a lot like the Tommy Lee Jones casting during the mid 90’s huh?).

 

[CondimentKing]

Wasn't there a rumour that the Succession guy turn it down? I remember reading that in one of the earlier pages of the thread.

Good point about splitting it into two movies is still different from TDK, but yeah, him being already him is definitely what I want most, with you on basically all those points. I think the rumour was one of those terrible we got this covered-esque sites but also the Daily Mail, and then it got put on Twitter a lot iirc. I REALLY think its possible though

Back to the TDK comparison - I hope none of the villains die and most live throughout the trilogy. It's sort of a waste but I also love how Scarecrow shows up again in TDKR, his little bit is so ridiculous I love it.

death...

BY EXILE

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Incoming wall of text!

View attachment 41608

I know that someone reportedly debunked this rumour awhile back, but I saw this and even though it likely means nothing at all (although keep in mind it's not on his IMDB or Wikipedia - the two things fans can just enter themselves), I'm putting on my tinfoil hat because I love it too much. Indulge me for a moment, even if it's sort of baloney.

A) McConaughey wants to do a comic-book role and has been looking for the right one for quite some time. These are from 2015:

"I've read some Marvel and DC scripts and I've talked about working with them on some scripts, none of which I'll share with with you what they are - or were. Yeah, I've circled some of those. Nothing has been right for me yet. But I'm sure open to it."

"It's very simple for me. I look at the script. Is the opportunity exciting? Is the money that comes with it exciting? Sure. Is it the possibility of going, 'Hey you can get on a train and it can be a franchise and you could do 3,4, 5, and have a great time as some kind of superhero or anti-hero.' But I would also look at something like that and say, 'Hey, in success that means you are on the train for a while.' "

"Contractually, you're going to return to the character over and over. It's something I asked myself is it something I'd want to return to. Would I be excited to go back and put the shoes on the character again? Going and doing the press tour with that group of people again? I always ask myself those questions again. It starts with the story and character."

Here's a quote from a 2018 Fandango interview when asked about doing a superhero movie: "... I’m like, what have I done that my kids can see? ... I’ll be there in a little while! I’ll do something."

B) While the rumour came from shady sources, it is true that it originated at the same time that the Andy Serkis and Colin Farrell rumours started - both of which did end up being true.

I'm not saying Dent will be even a remotely major part of the movie, but I think it's VERY possible that he could have a cameo - on a TV or mentioned, I don't know, but something to set him up for a sequel. There's no way Dent won't be in this trilogy, and it would be weird if all of the rumours of him existing in this world (like Firefly and Mad Hatter rumours) ended up being false, because there was a lot.

C) If it's a tiny role or cameo, it's easier to hide so it would be both a great surprise in the theatre and also wouldn't need to be revealed as part of the main cast. But then for a sequel, it's a major pull to get people to want to see the sequel even more. Think of how excited people were to see the kernel that was the Joker card at the end of BB explored in the next movie.

Here's my idea which I've mentioned a few times in an other thread or two before:

Harvey Dent is already Two-Face and disfigured, the DA before Coulson, or the one before that. This, firstly, eliminates retreading seeing the TDK fall from grace plotline but also works with what Reeves' motive is: dropping us into this world that's alive - just like how we aren't getting Batman's origin story again.

I've seen a few say that Bruce and Harvey should be similar in age and grow up as friends but I disagree. Here's my proposition: Harvey Dent was a failed more radical attempt at reforming Gotham and partly inspired Bruce to take up the mantle to change Gotham, knowing that men can make a difference. We can see glimpses of the Long Halloween Gilda & disfigurement story line (sans Batman) through how characters talk of Dent and what Bruce already knows about him. It fits into the corruption angle Bruce wants to fight (and how Reeves loves Dark Victory).

I wouldn't be disinterested in seeing the TDK story again but I think this is more interesting and already fits Reeves' motives with the movie that we know.

Also, when Bruce inevitably comes into conflict with Two-Face, he'll be fighting both a villain and one of his heroes - and he'll have to come to terms with that, which can lead to great moral conflict and scenes between Bruce and Alfred in discussing the situation. I think Two-Face being more sympathetic and depressed than straight up evil could be great. Don't know if he would be a pawn or full on mobster.

I think my boy Matthew McConaughey, especially after watching True Detective, would be PERFECT for an older, fragile and already disfigured fallen hero - but one who still thinks highly of himself in a way. He's excellent at playing weird mysterious characters where you learn and gain glimpses into his story like Rust in TD. If they go younger then I'd like Oscar Isaac or Gosling. I think a big name is the way to go here, especially if he's a major villain in the sequel.

Even if there isn't mention or a glimpse of Dent in this movie at all, it's also a very real possibility it can still happen in a sequel.

Aesthetically, he would be perfect for the well-dressed mob-esque version of Dent once he fully embraces who he now is. Just look at these from The Gentlemen:

View attachment 41609

View attachment 41610

View attachment 41611

That hair would be perfect for me, and I'd prefer it over short hair for Dent. It has a lovely flow that could be played with on the disfigured side.

TLDR: alright, alright, alrighttttt

This. This is exactly what I want.