Superman Returns Has anybody changed their mind about the suit?

[Nightwing1977]

Don't be a moron nightwing. Read what I said. You seriously think you have a leg to stand on arguing against that? If you think you do, please explain to me how you can possibly say that someone who prefers the movie suit to the comics suit is as much of a fan of the comics as someone who prefers the comics suit to the movie suit.

I did read what you said. You're just in denial that you didn't said what you did, even we point it out. Denial is not a river in Egypt. And since when did Saph & I try to get friends here? I didn't hang out here to get friends. I hang out as a way to talk about stuffs. If you think I don't have friends in the real world, you can think again. I have plenty of friends in the real world thank you very much, Einstein. Don't insult me with thinking I have no friends. You don't know me, so don't get cocky. Thing is, the suit has minor change. It major to you, but it don't mean it's a fact thought. It major change if his costume color was different, no cape, no "S" shield, no trunk on the outside, wearing a pink tutu, etc.

And bandwagon jumper? Nah. I'm more of pointing out things than using petty arguments like yourself. Of course, I expect fanboy like you to be always so negative about this. I know they can't stand of negative things. Look up "fanboy" on wikipedia. It suit you well.

 

[dr collossus]

I know they can't stand of negative things.

Take a long, hard look at yourself nightwing. You run into a frenzied panic at the merest mention of anything negative about SR. You call yourself a 'Defender of Singer's Vision', yet your faith that the movie is actually going to be any good is so fragile that you pooh yourself any time it looks like someone might shatter that delicate delusion.

Take the criticism dude. SR is not gonna be perfect. Accept it.

 

[skruloos]

Getting back to the point, the reason I assumed that the people who hate the SR suit hate it because it differs from the comic suit was because I also assumed that what people want is a Superman movie, not a 'what if Superman was more like Saph' movie.

Did you ever stop to think that for some people, the essence of Superman does not lie in the exact details of the suit?

 

[dr collossus]

Oh, I KNOW what the essence of Superman is, and it is not his suit. But his suit is an embodiment and representation of it, as it has come to be recognised in popular culture. Did you ever stop to think that some people, while thinking that SR is unfaithful to many aspects of the superman mythology, will restrict their discussion of those aspects to those pertaining to the suit in a thread so dedicated?

 

[skruloos]

Oh, I KNOW what the essence of Superman is, and it is not his suit. But his suit is an embodiment and representation of it, as it has come to be recognised in popular culture. Did you ever stop to think that some people, while thinking that SR is unfaithful to many aspects of the superman mythology, will restrict their discussion of those aspects to those pertaining to the suit in a thread so dedicated?

This will always be the argument between people who nitpick and people who don't. At what point are small details really just small details? And at what point does it actually change the essence of the characters? It is a discussion with no true end or merit since it's so subjective. You think those details matter? Great. I'm more open to interpretation. It doesn't necessarily mean I am less of a fan than you are. I just don't value the same things you do about the character.

 

[dr collossus]

Ok... I see your point but I don't really know what you're getting at. I would say that small details can certainly add up into a significant whole. But I'm more intrigued by your comment that you don't value the same things about the character as me - as far as I'm aware neither of us has stated what those things are.

 

[skruloos]

Ok... I see your point but I don't really know what you're getting at. I would say that small details can certainly add up into a significant whole. But I'm more intrigued by your comment that you don't value the same things about the character as me - as far as I'm aware neither of us has stated what those things are.

Well I assume from your previous posts that the details that have been changed in the suit are of value to you. I feel the opposite.

 

[dr collossus]

You're right, they are of value to me, but not for their own sake. I don't like the way Superman looks in SR. I have a very specific reason for this, but I'll leave that for another discussion. Do you assume that the costume is the only aspect of the character of value to me?

 

[Chris Wallace]

No-but it's clearly a significant portion of it. And that's true of many-if not all fans. It's typically the first thing that makes a "fanboy" say "Yea" or "Nay" on what a filmmaker does w/his beloved characters; how he/she looks in the costume.

 

[dr collossus]

Yes that's true - but its not the costume alone. As you say, its the whole LOOK. And the look is more often than not a representation of the filmmaker's interpretation of the character.

 

[skruloos]

You're right, they are of value to me, but not for their own sake. I don't like the way Superman looks in SR. I have a very specific reason for this, but I'll leave that for another discussion. Do you assume that the costume is the only aspect of the character of value to me?

No, but seeing as this thread is specifically about the suit that is what I'm going by.

 

[skruloos]

Yes that's true - but its not the costume alone. As you say, its the whole LOOK. And the look is more often than not a representation of the filmmaker's interpretation of the character.

It's not only relegated to filmmaker's though. Every artist does their own spin on Superman. Sure, it might not be as much as adding an insignia on the belt but I do think they are major in their own right. There are simply artists interpretations and style that I do not like. McGuinness for one. Quitely for another. I'm also not a big fan of Miller's or Turners takes. Although they are essentially drawing the same character, they ARE interpreting it in their own way. Why should a filmmaker really be any different?

Changes will always occur when translating from one medium to another. It's simply a matter of physics, materials, and interpretation. Nothing will look exactly alike. Sin City, for all it's attempts at recreating the comic HAD to make changes to make it work as a movie. What it comes down to, really, is whether or not you like the changes. People seem to applaud the Spider-man movie costume although it too wasn't an exact representation of the comic costume. One could go on about the size of the eyes, the fact that they were reflective, the raised webbing, the lack of web lines on the gloves (in the first film), the size of the spider on the front, the spider on the back, etc. It's all personal preference on the end and how you let it affect you. If I wanted to be an anal retentive bastard, I could have argued that the changes in the Spider-man costume bastardized the character. But I don't really care. And it's the same way I feel about the Superman costume. If people want to assign some mythical significance to a belt buckle, then by God, go ahead. It's not my movie experience your ruining.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Yes that's true - but its not the costume alone. As you say, its the whole LOOK. And the look is more often than not a representation of the filmmaker's interpretation of the character.

Last I check, many different artists have give Superman's different looks. Ed McGuiness draw him with "squint" eyes. Alex Ross make him look kinda old, a little fat, his "S" shield ridicliously huge, sometime he doesn't put the yellow "S" on the back of the cape. Jim Lee draw Supes as having his "S" shield almost cover the whole part of his upper torso, his cape longer, more messy hair look. This is the same way Bryan Singer is going with. He is just like a comic book artist: adding his own vision to Supes as other comic book artists do.

 

[dr collossus]

Hey hey, two more people who don't like the way Ed McGuiness draws Supes!!! But seriously, its not the S on the belt I have a problem with, it's Superman not looking masculine enough. Its not just the suit, its Routh too, who, by the way, I have as yet seen no evidence can actually act. Seeing as we are not being shown any footage of him acting, it would be nice if the pictures they released of him didn't show him looking wooden. Keanu mkII from the looks of it.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It was just meh then and it's slightly better than Meh now, I will have to see the movie for final thoughts.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Hey hey, two more people who don't like the way Ed McGuiness draws Supes!!! But seriously, its not the S on the belt I have a problem with, it's Superman not looking masculine enough. Its not just the suit, its Routh too, who, by the way, I have as yet seen no evidence can actually act. Seeing as we are not being shown any footage of him acting, it would be nice if the pictures they released of him didn't show him looking wooden. Keanu mkII from the looks of it.

Well, Reeve wasn't masculine enough either when he did Superman. His acting was what won him over, not his build. If Routh can do the same, then who care about his build. Be glad he much bigger than he was 4 yrs. ago. He was skinny as hell like he has eating disorder on that old pic. And you think it not the suit but his build? Oh please! You're flip flopping again. You said you hated the suit & that people who prefer the movie suit than the comic suit are much of a lesser fan. And you think him holding the Daily Globe look wooden? Sure, that because he not big like the way you want so you think he's wooden. And what the hell are you talking about saying "Keanu mkII fromthe looks of it."? Are you implying Keanu Reeves would look better instead. Man, am I shocked!!

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Well, Reeve wasn't masculine enough either when he did Superman. His acting was what won him over, not his build. If Routh can do the same, then who care about his build. Be glad he much bigger than he was 4 yrs. ago. He was skinny as hell like he has eating disorder on that old pic. And you think it not the suit but his build? Oh please! You're flip flopping again. You said you hated the suit & that people who prefer the movie suit than the comic suit are much of a lesser fan. And you think him holding the Daily Globe look wooden? Sure, that because he not big like the way you want so you think he's wooden. And what the hell are you talking about saying "Keanu mkII fromthe looks of it."? Are you implying Keanu Reeves would look better instead. Man, am I shocked!!

Very correct, Reeves in fact almost did not get the role because people involved thought he was too scrawny, but as you said his acting won them over as well as his dedication to the role. He bulked up and put on something like 15-25lbs of muscle.

 

[dr collossus]

^^Exactly. They knew he was right for the part, but he wasn't built enough, so they sent him off to train with Darth Vader to pump iron and bulk up.

And you think it not the suit but his build? Oh please! You're flip flopping again

No, I hate the suit. In future make sure you read what people say before making moronic comments:

Its not just the suit, its Routh too

And you think him holding the Daily Globe look wooden?

Yes. You think he doesn't? Look at his face. And in ALL the pictures, not just that one, look at his facial expression, his stance, his posture...Forgive me, you're right, I can just see the Oscar nominations rolling in!!!

And what the hell are you talking about saying "Keanu mkII fromthe looks of it."? Are you implying Keanu Reeves would look better instead

No. See above.

 

[Nightwing1977]

^^Exactly. They knew he was right for the part, but he wasn't built enough, so they sent him off to train with Darth Vader to pump iron and bulk up.

They knew he was right for the part after he build up, genius. Donner like his 1st test, but he wasn't going to pick him after seeing how skinny Reeve was. And actually, Reeve got trained from David Prowse when he did Superman 3, not Superman 1. Duh!

No, I hate the suit. In future make sure you read what people say before making moronic comments:

I did read. You just like to change your comments around to look more superior. And I know you hate the suit. You said that, then you change around & said his build instead. Make sure you stop flip flopping your moronic comments instead.

Yes. You think he doesn't? Look at his face. And in ALL the pictures, not just that one, look at his facial expression, his stance, his posture...Forgive me, you're right, I can just see the Oscar nominations rolling in!!!

Maybe because you're focusing too much on his young face instead of something else. I know when people think someone look too young for the part, they will make up excuse like they don't look tough or whatever. Deny it again? And Oscar nomination? I wasn't aware I would looking in that like you did.

No. See above.

See what above? You didn't even mention what your gibberish "Keanu mkII" mean. Does it mean Keanu Reeves in Mortal Kombat II or something? Or maybe you mean "Keanu make 2". Make 2 what?

 

[dr collossus]

I did read. You just like to change your comments around to look more superior. And I know you hate the suit. You said that, then you change around & said his build instead. Make sure you stop flip flopping your moronic comments instead.

Wow. I can't believe you are so idiotic as to actually think I can only dislike one thing about the look of the new Superman. Seeing as you need it cut up into little bite-sized chunks and then spoon fed to you, here you go:

1. I don't like the new suit.
2. I don't like Routh.

Do you get it yet?

Maybe because you're focusing too much on his young face instead of something else. I know when people think someone look too young for the part, they will make up excuse like they don't look tough or whatever. Deny it again? And Oscar nomination? I wasn't aware I would looking in that like you did.

Jesus, it's like dealing with a three year old. What the hell has his 'young face' got to do with it? As a matter of fact, I DO think he looks too young, but that's not even remotely connected to anything I said. I said his face was expressionless, not young.

See what above? You didn't even mention what your gibberish "Keanu mkII" mean. Does it mean Keanu Reeves in Mortal Kombat II or something? Or maybe you mean "Keanu make 2". Make 2 what?

I'm enjoying you not getting this so much I'm not even gonna explain it. Ask ANYONE to read what I said, and see if they know what it means.


Ya know what else, Nightwing? For a 'defender of Singer's vision' you really get wound up about all this. If you were so confident in his vision, you wouldn't feel the need to get so shirty any time you encounter someone who isn't as blinded by pants-wetting anticipation of a new Superman movie as you are. You can't seriously expect us to all sit here and clap our hands in glee like performing seals just because there is a new Superman movie coming. I seriously doubt I'm gonna like SR, because Singer has neglected some of the core values of the character that I relate to. So what? What difference does it make to you, really?

 

[Orlando Spider]

I would've liked to have seen this

as the suit in the film

 

[Katsuro]

See what above? You didn't even mention what your gibberish "Keanu mkII" mean. Does it mean Keanu Reeves in Mortal Kombat II or something? Or maybe you mean "Keanu make 2". Make 2 what?

mkII basically means the same thing as Version 2. So he's basically saying he looks like another version of Keanu Reeves, who is known for being very wooden as an actor.

 

[Super Kal]

that suit looks pretty cool... the yellow needs to be a bit more gold though

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

sorry, I hated it at first, and I still hate it now. I'll still go and see the movie though

No need for appologies. I still detest this abomination myself. If anyone here needs to appolgize then it's that arrogant punk, "Brian Singer" for giving us this detestable representaion of an american pop legend. Unfortunately, I myself could not stand to go and see this.

 

[NUFFSAID2004]

Hated it at first and now I love it! I never minded the collar, boots or belt. My problem with it was the colors and the first scanned image we got was way too dark. Since then we have seen an official WB press photo and the colors look much closer to the Donner films than previously thought.

Still too dark.