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What did you think of X-Men: First Class?

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Sure, you can't ignore them because of continuity, but this is what X-Men films should have been from the start. In terms of tone, writing, and storytelling.

It's unfortunate that this film was pretty much confined to the continuity set by the Singer and Ratner films, but it really took lemons and made them into lemonade.

I really have no gripes with the movie at all, and if I tried to find any I would really just be nitpicking the most minor of things.

Fox did something right for once...feels weird.
 
Maybe if her relationship with Charles wasn't present or was downplayed it would be be easier to swallow, but I just don't buy it at the moment, they clearly care for each other. The only thing I can think of is that what ever makes her become the way she is in the future stories Charles has to be the cause of it, there has to be some moment where he stabs her in the back that turns her into this cold, sterile killer. Anything short of that and it won't merge, she has to hate him.

She doesn't hate Charles. Where are you getting this:huh:
 
DP,

Still, you have to look at the time when Singer made X-Men and X2. Technology has rapidly evolved for filmmakers to where they can do more than ever before.

On X-Men, Singer has handcuffed by a studio that didn't believe in the film and cut his budget by 25 million and upped his release date by one year at the last might. It's a miracle that film even worked because if it didn't, the genre as it is today wouldn't be here.

With X2, I think, he made a genuine, compelling X-Men film where everyone got a moment to shine, even if it was slightly heavy on the Wolverine front.
 
She doesn't hate Charles. Where are you getting this:huh:

I never said she did, what I'm saying is she needs to hate him in order to become the character she does in the future stories. What they've established in FC is that these two characters have a connection, that connection needs to be irrevocably destroyed, at the moment it's not.
 
Totally with JMC and J. Howlett on the Mystique point although that doesn't detract from Rebecca's performance in X-Men and X2 for me. In fact it made it even more tragic.

I couldn't help but empathize with her. She goes through so much in this and J.L just does her justice through and through.
 
They really buffed up Shaw in this movie. I was a little disappointed Magneto didn't best him one on one.
 
Wait, was that..

Rebecca Romijn

during the bed scene?

I believe it was, yes. My jaw dropped when I saw that part, I was confused for a second lol.
 
DP,

Still, you have to look at the time when Singer made X-Men and X2. Technically has rapidly evolved for filmmakers to where they can do more than ever before.

On X-Men, Singer has handcuffed by a studio that didn't believe in the film and cut his budget by 25 million and upped his release date by one year at the last might. It's a miracle that film even worked because if it didn't, the genre as it is today wouldn't be here.

With X2, I think, he made a genuine, compelling X-Men film where everyone got a moment to shine, even if it was slightly heavy on the Wolverine front.

Very true. They wouldn't even give Singer the budget for Sentinels or a Danger Room. He did a lot for the genre and I respect him, even though I felt the X-Men series could have been handled better. Times have changed, and it took for the right circumstances to come about for us to reach this point we are at now. This is really a renaissance for comic films.

I feel that if Chris Nolan wasn't given the freedom he was by WB to do what he did with Batman, we wouldn't have gotten First Class. It's definitely been an evolution.

I'm so happy with what I just saw. I remember reading comics in the 90's at a time when there weren't any comic movies. They simply didn't exist, or were terrible straight to TV efforts. I would use my imagination to try and conjure up images of what a REAL live action Spider-Man or Wolverine would look like. It's here now. It has been for awhile, but it's really here in a way that it was meant to be.
 
Wait, was that..

Rebecca Romijn

during the bed scene?

^ Yes

My beef with the Mystique / Xavier relationship is that the movie made it feel like Xavier and Mystique were the long time friends, not Xavier and Magneto.

Xavier grows up with Mystique, and she's there by his side through his entire early life.

Xavier randomly encounters Magneto as he's attacking a sub...

The relationship between Xavier and Magneto was totally downplayed in favor of Xavier and Mystique.
 
Yeah the Charles and Eric friendship kinda grew and disintegrated way too quickly, I would have liked to have seen that span a few films. You could basically start X1 where this film finished.
 
DP,

I totally agree with you and why I'm slightly sadden that Vaughn hedged his bets with the film. It should've been a complete reboot, but it ties itself to the already established canon in too many places.

If I'm Fox, Vaughn, Singer, and Donner, I don't make a sequel(s) to the Last Stand. I make sequels to First Class and be done with it. By making an X4, you'd be handicapping the First Class series.
 
jmc,

This is why I think the final moments of the last act where a mistake. Again, it should not have placed everyone in their respective X-Men positions. We could've easily used another film that examines further the Charles and Erik relationship, before it broke.

We get a hell of a lot in this film, but the break was too fast.
 
And honestly, from a continuity perspective, it only really got loose with Magneto's/Shaw's telepath helmet.

I can forgive the "When I was 17, I met a young man named Erik Lensherr" part. It wasn't that big a deal.

Hank's X2 cameo is a blink and you'll miss it moment so that's not a continuity problem for me.

Honestly, to line up with X-Men and X2, there were almost none.
 
DP,

I totally agree with you and why I'm slightly sadden that Vaughn hedged his bets with the film. It should've been a complete reboot, but it ties itself to the already established canon in too many places.

If I'm Fox, Vaughn, Singer, and Donner, I don't make a sequel(s) to the Last Stand. I make sequels to First Class and be done with it. By making an X4, you'd be handicapping the First Class series.

Agreed.

I'm aware of all the changes you guys are taking issue with, but for some reason, I'm not bothered at all. I'm really just content with it. That could just be a personal preference for me though.
 
Ok, just returned from the midnight show, which is my SECOND viewing tonight. That alone should tell you how I feel.

I absolutely adored this film. From the opening scene to the (groovy) end credits. I can't believe it took 8 years for another solid X-Men film. This is on par with X2. I say that because they're way too different for me to say which one is better. I give X2 an edge because there is just something about Singer's subtlety that I crave.

The acting was just superb. McAvoy was utterly fantastic. By the end of the film I swore I was watching a young Patrick Stewart. Fassbender is just a star. I can't wait to see Magneto completely unchained in the sequel which I really hope we get.

I have minor gripes that I could get into, but I just don't feel like it right now. Directorial choices I would have done differently. . .

Either way, I love this.
10/10

:up: :up:
 
I forgot that Xavier stated in X1 that he met Erik when he was 17. This doesn't match XMFC, given
Xavier was no younger than 10 in 1944 - probably twelve or so - and the film takes place in 1962, so he was between 28 and 30 years old. This might not matter to some, but anyone hoping for strict continuity might be disappointed.
Which is why I see this as a loose prequel
As long as it's a good movie, who really gives a ****? I agree with Vaughn's mentality here. These ain't the comics, they're movies based on the comics. These "continuity sticklers" need to accept that.
I agree I don't think Vaughn should feel he strictly has to follow every piece of continuity from films 11 years old by other directors
for those who have seen it how bad ass is Azazel i have heard several reviews who praise him

i think for a sequel they can do so many interesting things with his fight scenes
Azazel was cool his the most physical member of the hellfire club
Yeah the Charles and Eric friendship kinda grew and disintegrated way too quickly, I would have liked to have seen that span a few films. You could basically start X1 where this film finished.
Well McAvoy said Magneto switches from good to evil alot in the comics and the Brotherhood and X-Men have worked together in X2 and in the comics before against a common enemy so it doesn't mean for certain Xavier and Magneto won't find themselves on the same side again if they face a common threat.
 
Just got back. Movie was awesome!

Loved when Magneto killed Shaw. Straight ill.

Only thing I didn't like were the constant location changes.

8/10
 
Just got back. Movie was awesome!

Loved when Magneto killed Shaw. Straight ill.

Only thing I didn't like were the constant location changes.

8/10

Also...
The symbolism of him floating Shaw out crucified like Jesus.
 
I think you guys are downplaying Xavier and Erik's relationship a bit. Erik was the first mutant Xavier encountered besides Raven and he was someone that he saw as his equal.

They also fought in a war together, this would bring anyone close together. Let's not forget that Xavier was in Erik's mind!! They shared some pretty intimate moments. They became very close, it doesn't matter if it was just a couple of weeks.

If anything I find it harder to believe that two men were best friends for decades and then decided to wage war on each other in their golden years.
 
jmc,

This is why I think the final moments of the last act where a mistake. Again, it should not have placed everyone in their respective X-Men positions. We could've easily used another film that examines further the Charles and Erik relationship, before it broke.

We get a hell of a lot in this film, but the break was too fast.

Absolutely, you kind of wonder if they may have played their hand too early. I think the best way you could have ended the film was to have had Eric come to some sort of realization about what he was doing and listen to Charles. You would have at least planted the seed that the friendship will ultimately cease, as it stands it's kinda over already.
 
No spoilers here... I just saw it with my wife... I was inclined to give it a 7.5/8 out of 10. It's pretty good, just a few minor things that bothered me after the fact... but an enjoyable and fun watch. Worth going to see at the theatre!
 
Also...
The symbolism of him floating Shaw out crucified like Jesus.

Not only that but:

A Jew killing a Nazi with a coin (money) straight through his head...makes you think.
 
I haven’t wrapped my head around First Class enough to post all of my thoughts about the film but, off the top of my head, the thing that sticks out the most is the camaraderie. I love it. It’s something we haven’t seen to this extent in any of the previous X-Men films, but they pull it off in First Class and it only gets better as the film progresses. As has been said countless times, McAvoy and Fassbender are great. It’s a treat to watch them in their individual scenes and they’re even better when they’re onscreen together.

I also really like the back-and-forth banter, and teamwork, between the younger mutants. Banshee, Beast, Havok, etc. are pure fun. I really like Hoult as Beast. When he was first cast, I thought, “He looks like he could make a good Cyclops.” It’s clear, however, based on his performance, why they chose him to play Hank. Banshee and Havok have minor roles, but they’re good. Jones is probably my favorite of the recruits.

In fact, I like almost all of the performances. Lawrence, who doesn’t have the attitude of Romijn’s Mystique, and shouldn’t as this is a younger and more inexperienced Raven, really sells her character’s longing and need for acceptance. Also, despite being an unconventional choice, Bacon nails the ruthlessness of Sebastian Shaw. The weakest link, in my opinion, is Jones as Emma Frost. Sometimes, I like her. Other times, I don’t. Although she exudes the appropriate amount of *****iness every now and then, I think she’s just too damn mousy to play the Emma we’ve come to know in the books.

Other than that, my biggest complaint about the movie is with regard to the visuals. Sometimes, I wasn’t a fan of the look of the film, particularly the effects work. Some of them really took me out of the movie, and sometimes the movie looks a bit cheap. There’s questionable wirework toward the end of the film, and some effects, such as Mystique’s transformation, Emma Frost’s diamond form, and Cerebro, could have looked better. As dated as the effects look now, I still haven’t seen a Mystique transformation as natural and seamless as those featured in X-Men or X2, and First Class Cerebro doesn’t hold a candle to its predecessors either. Also, contrary to trailer appearances, I’m not completely sold on Beast’s look. It isn’t as lazy looking as it is in The Last Stand, but it could have been better (I really like how he looks in the international trailer, but it appears they changed the final product).

Other than that, First Class is well done and much, much better than Fox’s previous attempt at an X-Men origin movie.
 
Not only that but:

A Jew killing a Nazi with a coin (money) straight through his head...makes you think.

I'm not touching that one lol.
 
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