HBO's Game of Thrones - - Part 11

[Roose Bolton]

"The rest is window dressing."

Yeah, not biased there at all.

 

[Lord]

No fan ever gets the full story, that'd include behind the scenes, what gets scrapped, what got changed, etc etc.

Are you freaking kidding me? A large portion of the fans pick these books to find out what is going to happen next to their characters and the end of story, hyping that and not delivering is just shady.

 

[squeekness]

"The rest is window dressing."

Yeah, not biased there at all.

Maybe not window dressing per se, lol, but there is a lot of extra detail that could have been minimalized. I don't need to know the full menu of their dining tables, lol.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well, to neglect Theon and Davos is pretty bad lol they're part of the main thing, and even if you go by how these characters serve the greater narrative with Ice and Fire conflict, then you've greatly overestimated Jaime's role.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, now we have a fan telling other fans who are the relevant characters. Only the Lannister brothers off your list are my favorites i love to learn about + Jon Snow.

Not to mention, when George R.R Martin himself talks how the characters are different, who are we to judge the creator?! Hmmm!!!!

One, why are you being so hostile?

Second, I like GRRM. He talks out of both sides of his mouth when it suits him.

Third, I think most would agree on the most important characters. Especially considering the show runners have tailored the show accordingly. They after all know where it is all headed.

If those fans feel so strongly about that, i can't be the one to judge or comment, since hype feelings are personal. I've only cared about A song of fire and ice since the tv show, but i have read the books + the duncan stuff + princess and the queen.

Exactly. It is a very personal thing, and many have made it clear how they feel on this matter. Especially when faced with not really being able to avoid it. Unless you are going to shut your life down and hide, you aren't going to be able to avoid the info. I don't like the idea of avoiding a television show you have been really invested in for 5 years because of something like this.

I refuse to take anything this seriously. There are much more important things to worry about.

It is all reletive. We are talking about fandom, on a fan forum.

"The rest is window dressing."

Yeah, not biased there at all.

I love Stannis, Mel, the Hound, Davos, Selmy, etc.

But to the grander tale of ASoIaF, those are the characters that are the heart. The rest are working in service of them. They are the end game, those that will actually matter when Winter Comes. And this is coming from someone who hates Dany.

 

[Drz]

Oberon, have you read the blog: gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com

It's really fun stuff comparing GoT to Ragnarok. I especially like the idea of:

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Jaime Lannister as Azor Ahai, but it ignores the book's Cersei prophecy of all her children dying + it follows the fan theory that Aerys raped Tywin's wife.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Oberon, have you read the blog: gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com

It's really fun stuff comparing GoT to Ragnarok. I especially like the idea of:

Spoiler

Jaime Lannister as Azor Ahai, but it ignores the book's Cersei prophecy of all her children dying + it follows the fan theory that Aerys raped Tywin's wife.

I have read that theory, along with all the theories of other secret Targs, I don't give them much weight or worth.

I read a theory that Victarion Greyjoy was Azor Ahai that made sense in a...drunkenly logical way lol, that was my favorite

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's his right to decide what to do with it. I don't want it to happen, but at least we'll get an ending to the series with the show.

Of course it is his right. But it is also why he gets the questions.

The only person who should care is GRRM since its his work. If you don't want to be spoiled, it's really not that hard. I've never seen a minute of Mad Men, Breaking Bad, or The Walking Dead or heard any spoilers and I haven't gone out of my way to avoid them.

That isn't comparable. If you are a fan of the books and shows, you are already attuned to the world, the characters, the story. You notice when someone mentions certain things.

I also don't get why no one cares about saying, "I can't wait to see this on the show" but can't say, "I can't wait to see this play out in the book." Seeing the show and reading the book are two completely different experiences. The only major difference is you won't see people *****ing on forums about deviations from the book.

Well that is because there is a big difference between watching a show based on the book, and reading a version of something you have already seen.

I've only been following the books since the show started, it would suck if I started back in 1998 when the first one came out. But I also have perspective. There are a lot of TV shows or games I've liked get canceled before getting a proper ending or other shows/games/movies that turned into disappointments. None of this has stopped the Earth from rotating. There will always be something else to fill the void when one thing ends.

Fandom is different for every person. Just look at sports.

 

[Roose Bolton]

One, why are you being so hostile?

Second, I like GRRM. He talks out of both sides of his mouth when it suits him.

Third, I think most would agree on the most important characters. Especially considering the show runners have tailored the show accordingly. They after all know where it is all headed.


Exactly. It is a very personal thing, and many have made it clear how they feel on this matter. Especially when faced with not really being able to avoid it. Unless you are going to shut your life down and hide, you aren't going to be able to avoid the info. I don't like the idea of avoiding a television show you have been really invested in for 5 years because of something like this.


It is all reletive. We are talking about fandom, on a fan forum.


I love Stannis, Mel, the Hound, Davos, Selmy, etc.

But to the grander tale of ASoIaF, those are the characters that are the heart. The rest are working in service of them. They are the end game, those that will actually matter when Winter Comes. And this is coming from someone who hates Dany.

Jaime does not belong there if you only go from Ice and Fire, he has a beautiful story arc and a powerful character arc, but in the end he's a sideshow. "window dressing" as you'd call it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Jaime does not belong there if you only go from Ice and Fire, he has a beautiful story arc and a powerful character arc, but in the end he's a sideshow. "window dressing" as you'd call it.

Not if what I think is going to happen, happens.

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His returning of Sansa, and taking up the spot of Lord Commander.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That's not much different from what is expected to happen to Davos, and

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Jaime is very likely going to die with Cersei. If not be the cause of it.

I mean you're making hugely broad statements about what's vital and what isn't, yet Jaime's whole storyline has no greater impact on the world at large than say, Stannis. Maybe even less so because Stannis at least has done something thar actually matters in the war between Ice and Fire.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's not much different from what is expected to happen to Davos, and

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Jaime is very likely going to die with Cersei. If not be the cause of it.

I mean you're making hugely broad statements about what's vital and what isn't, yet Jaime's whole storyline has no greater impact on the world at large than say, Stannis. Maybe even less so because Stannis at least has done something thar actually matters in the war between Ice and Fire.

Big spoilers, so people don't read this if you don't want to know.

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Stannis' entire plot is a red herring, leading to Jon. I love the character, I love Davos, but they are a means to an end. Namely Jon. Stannis will end up the new Night's King once he realizes he is not The Prince that was Promised.

I expect Jaimie to end up on the wall in the end, precisely because he has turned away from Cersei. If I thought his only purpose was to return Sansa and get Cat up to the Wall to see Jon, I'd agree.

But his entire arc has been about his transformation. Davos is who he is. Same with Stannis. Jaimie won't get a happy ending, but he'll be useful and find a little bit of peace on the Wall.

I feel like the show has all but confirmed the importance of most of the characters. They know the end game and have focused their story as such.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Of course it is his right. But it is also why he gets the questions.

Is asking it over and over going to make the book come out sooner? SPOILER: It isn't.

That isn't comparable. If you are a fan of the books and shows, you are already attuned to the world, the characters, the story. You notice when someone mentions certain things.

It consists of the same approach, don't read articles, message boards, or talk about it with other people. There are other things you can put your attention to.

Well that is because there is a big difference between watching a show based on the book, and reading a version of something you have already seen.

Yet one is acceptable and the other isn't. Hooray fan "logic"!

Fandom is different for every person. Just look at sports.

If one hobby consumes your life so much that your emotionally distraught, you have a problem.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah I disagree with a lot of that. Particularly Stannis as I feel his end has been broadcast differently than what you're suggesting. And if you think Davos is "just" the Stannis guy, well then you're wrong.

And if the tv show was the indicator then why on earth would they half ass Jon's story like they have?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is asking it over and over going to make the book come out sooner? SPOILER: It isn't.

So why do you care if people ask? It has no effect on you and you don't seem to care for it.

It consists of the same approach, don't read articles, message boards, or talk about it with other people. There are other things you can put your attention to.

You are literally telling people how to live their lives, and then get mad at question asked to GRRM.

Yet one is acceptable and the other isn't. Hooray fan "logic"!

Well in this case it started as a book series. That is kind of the whole point.

If one hobby consumes your life so much that your emotionally distraught, you have a problem.

Or are simply passionate.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I disagree with a lot of that. Particularly Stannis as I feel his end has been broadcast differently than what you're suggesting. And if you think Davos is "just" the Stannis guy, well then you're wrong.

Davos is Davos. He has made himself the "Stannis guy". That is his thing.

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And considering the producers words on Stannis, I am not sure if you are going to like where GRRM or they take him.

And if the tv show was the indicator then why on earth would they half ass Jon's story like they have?

Jon's story in season 2 and 3 has been a direct problem with filming in Iceland. Now that they a have moved back to the other side of the way, I expect much, much better.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah again, I disagree. But by all means, keep spouting opinions as absolute fact.

 

[Havok83]

Wow, BB is really reusing the same exclusive covers from the first 2 seasons? FAIL!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah again, I disagree. But by all means, keep spouting opinions as absolute fact.

I have not been doing this. Though Oberon, you seem upset about the possible future of your favorites.

 

[Drz]

Oberon, what do you make of:

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Stannis and Davos visiting the Iron Bank? I mean, it's one thing for the Iron Bank to visit Stannis to gain allegiance, but here it's Stannis looking for more soldiers? Promising to end Tywin's/Joffrey's reign? Does Stannis in the tv series have no followers left?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Stannis has no followers on the show sadly. They follow Mel.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I have not been doing this. Though Oberon, you seem upset about the possible future of your favorites.

Nope, got no illusions about Stan's fate. Just think you claiming something as definitive when there's other just as likely scenarios supported by the text is more than a trifle arrogant. But say you're correct for a moment, that still means that he's got a greater impact on the narrative than Jaime which by your own words would make him window dressing. My whole point is that you're dismissing a grand majority of the characters in ways that come off as very bias and close minded.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Oberon, what do you make of:

Spoiler

Stannis and Davos visiting the Iron Bank? I mean, it's one thing for the Iron Bank to visit Stannis to gain allegiance, but here it's Stannis looking for more soldiers? Promising to end Tywin's/Joffrey's reign? Does Stannis in the tv series have no followers left?

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I think what's going to happen is that we'll see Stannis and Davos ask them for the loan with the promise of repaying Robert's debts, but have the Iron Bank refuse on account of how small his force is. Tycho will go to KL and speak with Cersei who'll refuse him. I think it'll be left looking like Stan and Dave arent coming because of that setback until the Wall episode, then later on Tycho will come and meet them again, agreeing to their conditions.

 

[Drz]

I like the way you think Sexton, go away DarthSkyWalker! LEAVE STANNIS BARATHEON ALONE!

 

[Drz]

Sophie Turner talks about the evolution of Sansa in season 4!

Hurrr... because of that hack George R.R Martin who personally owes me, I, the person who has supported him with my money and time, I have to suffer this television's show's decision to speed up Sansa's arc that might match TWOW Sansa, grrrr..... Martin, you will pay for this grieve insult. The internet is a serious business place.