HBO's Game of Thrones - - Part 11

[Lord]

Hmm, thought the shows was taking place in more years than the books, i think it would have made more sence considering the times and how large these continents are. [BLACKOUT] So, in the books the White Walkers (others) attack is finally starting? Is Danny close to reaching Westeros? I have read some of the events here and there and it doesn't look like she's close to going to Westeros, and her Nephew is creating an Army in the same continente as her, wasn't it? [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Roose Bolton]

You know who don't look like contemporaries? Renly and Tyrion.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Hmm, thought the shows was taking place in more years than the books, i think it would have made more sence considering the times and how large these continents are. [BLACKOUT] So, in the books the White Walkers (others) attack is finally starting? Is Danny close to reaching Westeros? I have read some of the events here and there and it doesn't look like she's close to going to Westeros, and her Nephew is creating an Army in the same continente as her, wasn't it? [/BLACKOUT]

There's a ways to go yet before [blackout] she crosses. But the way ADWD ends, it's kind of set up that she has what she needs to cross back to Westeros. Still she's got a ways to go yet. Probably won't happen until near the end of book 6 or the start of book 7. [/blackout]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You know who don't look like contemporaries? Renly and Tyrion.

Renly simply doesn't look like Renly to me.

On Dany...

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She is closer, but not by much. She has pretty much had to start over, and now has to to go win a little war she started by being the worst ruler in history, before she can even think about crossing.

 

[Lord]

If it even happens at all

[BLACKOUT]Sorry to start asking so many questions, but what is up with the possibility that her nephew is alive? Is he a realistic new player in the game, or just a minor nuisance?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If it even happens at all

[BLACKOUT]Sorry to start asking so many questions, but what is up with the possibility that her nephew is alive? Is he a realistic new player in the game, or just a minor nuisance?[/BLACKOUT]

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Using the prophecies from the books, I'd say he is a fake that she has to kill.

In all honesty, Dany is the reason the books have been so held up. There has been no flow to her story since the second book, and so much has to happen for her to progress ever so slightly.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Renly simply doesn't look like Renly to me.

On Dany...

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She is closer, but not by much. She has pretty much had to start over, and now has to to go win a little war she started by being the worst ruler in history, before she can even think about crossing.

That's also correct lol

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She won't need to do much fighting judging by how utterly overwhelmed those Yunkishmen were going in the WoW sample chapters. Such is the folly of having an army of malnourished slaves chained together

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's also correct lol

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She won't need to do much fighting judging by how utterly overwhelmed those Yunkishmen were going in the WoW sample chapters. Such is the folly of having an army of malnourished slaves chained together

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True. But she still has to meet certain people. People she was suppose to meet in ADWD, but that got pushed back for some unknown reason.

 

[Lord]

I'm curious, [BLACKOUT] Why did she Basically need to start over again? [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Roose Bolton]

If it even happens at all

[BLACKOUT]Sorry to start asking so many questions, but what is up with the possibility that her nephew is alive? Is he a realistic new player in the game, or just a minor nuisance?[/BLACKOUT]

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He's an obstacle at this point, mainly to the Tyrells and Lannisters, and may even sit the Throne, but I'm fairly certain he'll meet his end when Dany arrives.

 

[Roose Bolton]

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True. But she still has to meet certain people. People she was suppose to meet in ADWD, but that got pushed back for some unknown reason.

Well, she already met the Sun's Son...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, she already met the Sun's Son...

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She won't cross until after she meets Tyrion imo. And even still, a lot of progress needs to be made.

 

[Lord]

Sounds like in least some 10 more years for GRR Martin to write it all, did Books 4 and 5 really not advance much of the plot? The 5th one was basically the largest in the series

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm thinking...

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She'll have to tame to Dothraki again, which might be more easier this time if Drogon sticks around (dubious as that is). I think Daario and Jorah will have to be dealt with, pretty sure the Yunkish are toast, plus the Red Clergy could probably overthrow the Tiger factions after Dany's head. Then I think she'll meet Tyrion and Victarion, and use the Iron Fleet to cross the Narrow Sea. Yeah. Saying that all now seems like at least half a book of POV content.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Sounds like in least some 10 more years for GRR Martin to write it all, did Books 4 and 5 really not advance much of the plot? The 5th one was basically the largest in the series

The 3rd is the largest.

The 4th and 5th just introduced as much new stuff as they did close other stuff. But I'm pretty confident he could finish it if WoW is the same length as ASOS was.

 

[Lord]

I'm asking because the 4th and 5th books are infamous for having a lot of filler, at an outsider's point of view, it looks like those 2 books could be material for some 3 seasons, However, most seem to think they can be done in 1 and a half.

And with Martin writting some of the scripts i'm even more doubtful that he will be able to write everything before the tv show is over.

Unless they do the Spartacus route of a few years of backstory, like showing the rebellion. The problem in that is that what we see can sometimes take the mysticism and interest out of certain events we heard about, Spartacus for example did a terrible job in the origin of certain rivalries and backstory.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm fairly certain they won't do a Spartacus.

Even if you scrape away the filler (Brienne's story is the worst offender), you've still got a lot of new characters coming in that need time to breathe, and I think that'll take up some screentime. I'd say maybe two seasons, with some of the start of WoW incorporated would be reasonable.

And assuming GRRM goes back to his old writing speed of AGoT, ACoK, and ASOS, then I'd say book six would be out by then.

That's just my opinion of course, but there ya go.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

AFFC is almost completely filler, though some of it is good, with added POVs that serve no real purpose. ADWD would be similar, if not for [BLACKOUT]Jon[/BLACKOUT].

Basically, if they want the make AFFC and ADWD work, they are going to cut a lot and I think they will. Especially considering where they are going with certain characters this season.

I think AFFC and ADWD material will be done by the end of season 5 and the story will be better for it.

I'm fairly certain they won't do a Spartacus.

Even if you scrape away the filler (Brienne's story is the worst offender), you've still got a lot of new characters coming in that need time to breathe, and I think that'll take up some screentime. I'd say maybe two seasons, with some of the start of WoW incorporated would be reasonable.

And assuming GRRM goes back to his old writing speed of AGoT, ACoK, and ASOS, then I'd say book six would be out by then.

That's just my opinion of course, but there ya go.

No it wouldn't. ADWD is already 3 years old. That pace is long gone.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well comparatively, he has many more POVs this time around than he did then, thus writing time should be adjusted. Still don't think we'll get another wait on the scale of ADWD though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Unless the book comes out this year, we are looking at a long wait I think. And the amount of POVs that are relevant are probably fewer now.

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Jon
Bran
Ayra
Sansa
Jaimie
Dany
Tyrion

That is basically the list. How much can you really have from the others? 10-12 total.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Unless the book comes out this year, we are looking at a long wait I think. And the amount of POVs that are relevant are probably fewer now.

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Jon
Bran
Ayra
Sansa
Jaimie
Dany
Tyrion

That is basically the list. How much can you really have from the others? 10-12 total.

Well, bare in mind Liam Cunningham said last year that GRRM had spoken to him and told him that he was halfway through WoW, (and apparently something big happens during a Davos chapter..) I think we're looking at either end of this year of summer next year.

In terms of POVs:

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Davos
Theon
Griff
Melisandre
Victarion
Aeron

All have pretty big parts to play IMO. GRRMs confirmed that the two Greyjoy brothers have massive roles in WoW, Melisandre is pretty vital to Jon's stuff, and Griff's chapters could potentially reveal the whole Blackfyre secondary storyline that's been bubbling under the surface since the beginning. Something's definitely up with Theon and the Old Gods, going by the WoW sample chapter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, bare in mind Liam Cunningham said last year that GRRM had spoken to him and told him that he was halfway through WoW, (and apparently something big happens during a Davos chapter..) I think we're looking at either end of this year of summer next year.

In terms of POVs:

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Davos
Theon
Griff
Melisandre
Victarion
Aeron

All have pretty big parts to play IMO. GRRMs confirmed that the two Greyjoy brothers have massive roles in WoW, Melisandre is pretty vital to Jon's stuff, and Griff's chapters could potentially reveal the whole Blackfyre secondary storyline that's been bubbling under the surface since the beginning. Something's definitely up with Theon and the Old Gods, going by the WoW sample chapter.

The last real update had him at what, 20% actually complete. And he was half way done with ADWD for 5 years.

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The problem with the vast majority of your POV list is that they overlap.

- Mel will split her time with Jon. She will be the eyes at the Wall until he wakes up.

- Theon will tell us what is happening with Stannis.

- Connington will have what, 2 chapters at most? That storyline is irrelevant when not crossing over with the other.

- Davos will find Rickon and end up with Stannis.

Honestly, if the book is too big, it is his fault for adding so much irrelevance.

 

[Victarion]

George did say that the ending would be bittersweet, so perhaps

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such an ending would involve whomever sits the Iron Throne sending someone to Asshai to investigate rumors of dragons (assuming Dany's are killed). The title, A Dream of Spring, makes me think that we won't be seeing Spring.

According to Roy Dotrice, George had "another episode" nearly finished. So I'm hopeful that we get TWOW before S5.

 

[Roose Bolton]

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-I wouldn't expect Jon back for a while yet. He'll probably be out of action for most of the book. The Wall itself might even fall before it happens.

- Connington will be attacking King's Landing, that'll give us forward momentum on the Lannister/Tyrell downfall and I daresay get young Tommen killed, and from that Cersei's self-destruction. I've of the mind that the Stoneheart stuff will be worked out, and Jaime will be back in time to murder his twin, Valonqur style. Plus, Varys and Illyrio's shenanigans might have connections to Bran and Bloodraven, given that ol' Brynden was the one who killed the first Blackfyre pretender and drove them into exile, it'll build up the Second Dance of the Dragons that GRRM confirmed was going to happen. I'd imagine Connington's part will increase as FAegon's Hand

-I wouldn't automatically assume Davos goes straight back to Stannis, there's a lot of stuff being built up for Skagos, stuff which may reveal a lot more about the Old Gods. Even Roose mentions that their worship of the Gods makes him uncomfortable.


- I'd also add Sam at the Citadel trying to find the horn of winter. Euron's attacking, Oldtown so that's some serious stuff going on.

I think to write off so much content would be unwise. You might read a random Areo Hotah chapter and this guy might come in destroy your soul

 

[Drz]

Spartacus pulled a prequel because the lead actor died on 9/11.

Oberon, i'm truly disappointed that you didn't seem to like Brienne's story arc, c'mon that stuff was golden!

While AFFC and DWD are heavy, it's simply because of the evergrowing cast, but once wars and battles start happening again, more heads will be rolling!

I'm just concerned about the tv show removing Loras Tyrell's elder brothers, in the tv show he's the only male heir, but in the books he has two older brother, both whom George cited will play a role, especially SPOILERS FOR THE FUTURE:

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Euron Greyjoy's assaults on Reach.

I like how George has cited a bittersweet ending, i bet everyone just dies, i am more than open for the idea of my favorites dying. I also think the original 6th book title was "a time for wolves" which might have implied the rise of House Stark?