HBO's Game of Thrones - Part 15

[craigdbfan]

None of the families or kingdoms will be entirely triumphant. The return of the White Walkers will hopefully mean a new era for all of Westeros and certain characters are being put into play that will hopefully move it into a more "democratic" and "free" place to live in. Assuming they are able to unite against the White Walkers.

"In Order to build a better world, sometimes means tearing the old one down"

I also have a feeling that they are going to make the fight far more "personal" than just making the White Walkers an almost robotic evil enemy. Wouldn't be surprised if it's revealed that kings of time past are leading said army and functioning on their instinctive roles as kings, conquerors and rulers from when they were alive. Now that would be pretty darn cool.

 

[Marvolo]

As if that matters. That nasty thing could survive a nuclear blast.

I'd like to see [BLACKOUT]the Night's King[/BLACKOUT] freeze it and shatter the ugly thing.

Can we all agree on whether that name should be spoiler tagged? We've met the character now, but the name is spoiler and he hasn't been officially named in the show so technically it's a spoiler...so spoiler tag or no?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

None of the families or kingdoms will be entirely triumphant. The return of the White Walkers will hopefully mean a new era for all of Westeros and certain characters are being put into play that will hopefully move it into a more "democratic" and "free" place to live in.

"In Order to build a better world, sometimes means tearing the old one down"

The Starks are breed for Winter, and Winter is coming.

I'd like to see [BLACKOUT]the Night's King[/BLACKOUT] freeze it and shatter the ugly thing.

I think we have a better chance of Dany and her dragons roasting it if I am being honest.

 

[Roose Bolton]

This season has been fantastic. I haven't been this happy with the show... ever. The acting is always terrific, but the writing is back to season 1 levels and the show has never looked better.


Is King Jon not merciful?

About five different Incest jokes come to mind...

If Dany's and Bran's visions come true then there won't be. It looks like King's Landing gets destroyed.

This is me not really referencing the show, but I think if you look at the entirety of GRRM's mythology, it seems to be a theme that these various kingdoms are better off ruling themselves rather than having one dude or dudette running the whole show. I think when all is said and done with the White Walkers and Long Night there'll be a radically different Westerosi society.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Can I say Brandon instead of [blackout] Night's King [/blackout]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

About five different Incest jokes come to mind...

This is me not really referencing the show, but I think if you look at the entirety of GRRM's mythology, it seems to be a theme that these various kingdoms are better off ruling themselves rather than having one dude or dudette running the whole show. I think when all is said and done with the White Walkers and Long Night there'll be a radically different Westerosi society.

Only the Starks can rule the North successfully, so it makes sense.

 

[Marvolo]

Can I say Brandon instead of [blackout] Night's King [/blackout]

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It's gonna be crazy as **** if he turns out to be Brandon "The Builder" Stark.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That is so not happening. At least I doubt it with the way[BLACKOUT] the Starks are "building" for combat[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Roose Bolton]

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It's gonna be crazy as **** if he turns out to be Brandon "The Builder" Stark.

According to Old Nan

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His name was Brandon

and he was the 13th LC, so maybe a great-great-greatx10 Grandson...

 

[Marvolo]

That is so not happening. At least I doubt it with the way[BLACKOUT] the Starks are "building" for combat[/BLACKOUT].

I'm not sure I understand your reason for it not being possible.

Spoiler

Are you saying that because the current Starks are readying for a fight that their ancestor can't be a bad guy? I think it makes sense that only a Stark could stop him. But he doesn't have to be Brandon the Builder but if he used to be human then he's gotta be connected to a family in the North.

I read on the wiki that in Westeros legend it is also possible that NK is a Bolton. That also opens up some interesting ideas.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

No problem and I agree this season has been pretty damn good so far. I've enjoyed all of them to be honest but this has been particularly good as progression has been fairly visible.

Most definitely. I've honestly noticed more than the previous seasons that the story and character progression has been moving forward at a much faster pace which I have enjoyed, and it has been fairly visible as you said.

 

[craigdbfan]

Is it possible that most of the

Spoiler

heroes from the Age of Heroes are now White Walkers? Including Bran the Builder? All planning to retake Westeros?

Damn what a sweet final battle that would be. Absolutely beautiful in fact.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not sure I understand your reason for it not being possible.

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Are you saying that because the current Starks are readying for a fight that their ancestor can't be a bad guy? I think it makes sense that only a Stark could stop him. He doesn't have to be Brandon the Builder but if he used to be human then he's gotta be connected to a family in the North.

I read on the wiki that in Westeros legend it is also possible that NK is a Bolton. That also opens up some interesting ideas.

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I am suggesting that with how the Starks are being built as the very manifestation of the North, I don't expect their great triumph being killing their ancestor. The Starks are the Wardens of the North, the great protectors. Unless we have a huge shift where humans are truly the bad guys, I don't see that happening.

By the way, I also like the theory that the White Walkers are the ones that built the Wall, to keep humans out of their world, not the other way around.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Is it possible that most of the

Spoiler

heroes from the Age of Heroes are now White Walkers? Including Bran the Builder? All planning to retake Westeros?

Damn what a sweet final battle that would be. Absolutely beautiful in fact.

I don't consider pre-show/books history spoilerish enough for me so I took a look at that.

And all I have to say is, that would be beautiful in a poetic way, I would love to see that.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Only the Starks can rule the North successfully, so it makes sense.

Yeah, likewise only Martell can rule Dorne, (despite the Yronwoods best efforts) The Arryns were pretty great at keeping things running through the major wars. Even Durrendon/Baratheon were great to their people pre-Robert.

But the Greyjoys/Ironborn....those are the real people that need a wall around them.

 

[craigdbfan]

I don't consider pre-show/books history spoilerish enough for me so I took a look at that.

And all I have to say is, that would be beautiful in a poetic way, I would love to see that.

Spoiler

Assuming that pans out it would be funny that in "death/reanimation" the precursors to all these families would be able to unite for one common cause while the living continue on backstabbing and fighting each other.

I'm sure prevailing heads (I would hope) would succeed at the end of the day and characters like Dany and Tommen do bring me some hope that the humans still may have a chance.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Is it possible that most of the

Spoiler

heroes from the Age of Heroes are now White Walkers? Including Bran the Builder? All planning to retake Westeros?

Damn what a sweet final battle that would be. Absolutely beautiful in fact.

Maybe though, some like Durran Godsgrief, Lann the Clever etc aren't really associated with the North/Winter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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Assuming that pans out it would be funny that in "death/reanimation" the precursors to all these families would be able to unite for one common cause while the living continue on backstabbing and fighting each other.

I'm sure prevailing heads (I would hope) would succeed at the end of the day and characters like Dany and Tommen do bring me some hope that the humans still may have a chance.

Poor Tommen. I can't see him keeping his head.

 

[craigdbfan]

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Maybe though, some like Durran Godsgrief, Lann the Clever etc aren't really associated with the North/Winter

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While true I think tonight's revelation kind of makes that somewhat insignificant. We don't know the extant of their power or how far it truly reaches or how it chooses to manifest itself.

 

[Roose Bolton]

While true I think tonight's revelation kind of makes that somewhat insignificant. We don't know the extant of their power or how far it truly reaches or how it chooses to manifest itself.

Well, like with

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The Night's King

that's a legendary/mythological story often associated with the White Walkers/Others. Them being able to do what they do is itself mentioned in that story. Whereas Lann for instance, plucked gold from the sun to add to his hair lol...

 

[CapedCrusader14]

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Assuming that pans out it would be funny that in "death/reanimation" the precursors to all these families would be able to unite for one common cause while the living continue on backstabbing and fighting each other.

I'm sure prevailing heads (I would hope) would succeed at the end of the day and characters like Dany and Tommen do bring me some hope that the humans still may have a chance.

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That's actually quite funny, and could absolutely see it happening.

I think I'm going to be taking the plunge soon. Tonight's episode has actually tempted me more than ever to read the books, more than any episode before. Lucky I've got them sitting around somewhere.

 

[Havok83]

Im not sure if I get the ending. Does this mean that White Walkers are former humans that were turned into them?

Dani has been traveling since season 1. Im ready for her to finally get to her destination. Her story has been very repetitive

Did not expect that twist with Marj's grandmother insinuating she had Joffrey killed. Now Marj is working on the youngest Lannister son...lol

 

[mkilban2]

One question on the WhiteWalkers possibly being [blackout] former kings and rulers and what not [/blackout] my question is how would those people/bodies get to where the WhiteWalkers are to be reincarnated or whatever?

Really cool and interesting concept though, would love to see that come to reality in the future.

 

[Marvolo]

Im not sure if I get the ending. Does this mean that White Walkers are former humans that were turned into them?

It's complicated.

Legend of the NK.

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In the A Song of Ice and Fire novels, the Night's King was a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch during its earliest years, not long after the Long Night ended and the Wall was completed. He is considered a legendary, half-mythical figure, not far removed from Bran the Builder. If he really did exist, it was almost eight thousand years ago - consider that while the Night's King was the thirteenth Lord Commander, at the time of the War of the Five Kings, Jeor Mormont is the 997th Lord Commander.

However, the Night's King fell in love with a woman "with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars"; he loved her though "her skin was cold as ice", and when he gave his seed to her he gave her his soul as well. He brought her to the Nightfort and bound the brothers of the Night's Watch to his will through sorcery. He declared himself "Night's King" and ruled over the Wall and the Gift as his own. The King in the North and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces to defeat him.

After he was killed, it was discovered that he had been making human sacrifices to the Others - the White Walkers - and all records of him were destroyed, and uttering his name was forbidden, so it became lost to history. Nevertheless, it is believed he may have been a Bolton, a Magnar of Skagos, an Umber, a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot, though Old Nan claims to know a version of the tale where he was actually a Stark, brother to the King-in-the-North, named Bran.

After the defeat of the Night's King, the rule was enforced that the castles of the Night's Watch along the Wall should never be fortified against approach from the south, so that they cannot oppose the lands south of the Wall which they are meant to defend. The downfall of the Night's King also resulted in the strict enforcement of the rule that the Night's Watch is meant to be politically neutral, as guardians who do not "rule" the Wall but who serve the realms of men.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night's_King

So according to legend he wasn't the first Other and according to the show he has the power to turn people into white walkers, but we don't know how the first White Walker was made or who it was. It might have been a curse put on a person or the first Other may have been pure magic that went on to corrupt and change humans. It's all guesswork right now.

 

[chamber-music]

Tommen's cat got a lucky escape from Joffrey's reign of terror.

Poor Hodor. I thought Bran would of pulled his jedi mind trick and got into Burn Gorman's head.

Locke in Jon's justice posse won't end well.

Those Starks can't seem to stay out of trouble. The poor souls get captured all the time.