HBO's True Detective - Part 1

[The Endless]

Oh yes, I can blame him for having the charisma of a piece of driftwood in John Carter. Granted, the film had a slew of problems, but I found Kitsch to be the biggest one of all. He was just lifeless in that role. And when you add in his Gambit character and his character in Battleship... you could argue that those movies would have sucked anyway (and you would be right) but he was still terrible in them. He was good in Normal Heart though so... maybe he's improved. I hope so, at least.

That's what i keep saying. John Carter would have been a better movie with a better leading man for sure.

He's done some good work after that though.

 

[CrypticOne]

Solid casting. Can't wait to see this all come together.

 

[Hush]

Yeah, kinda boggles the mind for me that he never got an Emmy notice for Friday Night Lights, he's absolutely incredible in it.

It's just like how Dennis Leary and the whole cast of Rescue Me was routinely looked over when it came to Emmys. Same for Sons of Anarchy.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Funny, I think Kitsch is very charismatic in John Carter.

 

[squeekness]

Funny, I think Kitsch is very charismatic in John Carter.

Me, too. I enjoyed the whole movie but I guess that makes us oddballs, lol.

 

[MadVillainy]

I liked John Carter too. Good movie. I see why it's not very well received but I still think it's unfairly hated on.

Big fan of FNL too. I actually rewatch the whole series every fall.

It sucked to see such a good actor I liked like Kitsch go through it in 2012 with JC and Battleship.

He's up for a role in The Raid Remake. I hope he makes the smart move, turns The Raid down, and does this instead.

 

[squeekness]

I'd like to see Taylor do more tv work because FNL was so good, but he seems to shy away from long commitments. He's only considering this because it's just the one season. I do hope he takes it if only because I'll get to see him in something longer than a couple of two hour movies a year. Besides, he does seem to do better with an ensemble cast as opposed to carrying something all by himself.

 

[marcvader]

I didn't quite like him as Carter, even though I didn't mind the movie itself, nor as Gambit. He did fit Savages in my opinion though.

 

[squeekness]

His best work is in these smaller budget indie type films. As. Long as he sticks to that he'll do okay. That's why I like him for this, it's HBO but it's not blockbuster sensational or ******ed like True Blood is now.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Yeah, but as he said, John Carter (which is a great movie IMO and once the bad buzz storm passed & more people discovered it at home, a lot of them discovered that its bad reputation wasn't deserved at all) & Battleship were big opportunities for him & he'd have been foolish to say no, Oliver Stone cast him in Savages based on Battleship, after that, a lot of people flat out declared that he was dead to Hollywood, and nope, he's piling up projects lately, good ones at that, and he's directed this 30 min short movie (very inspired by Savages it seems) that I'm very excited to see.


All of this to say, he's probably smart enough to know that he has to take True Detective, this will put him back in the spotlight, not that he seems to care anyway, but it's definitely an opportunity for him to deliver his best work yet.

 

[squeekness]

I'd love to see that short myself, I hope it ends up someplace like Amazon or iTunes where I can at least stream it.

 

[Schlosser85]

What is annoying & disturbing is people judging casting choices when they know nothing about the actor's work, or have heard that the actor is bad by internet standards or they saw him in one bad movie & just base their opinion on this. Amusing.

Yup. There were people on here calling Marion Cotillard a bad actress for her death scene in TDKR, and someone said Ken Watanabe "needs to stay away from cinema for a long time" for his performance in Godzilla.

Idiotic.

 

[Hush]

Let Them Fight.

 

[Kaleb]

Did 'True Detective' Creator Nic Pizzolatto Plagiarize? The Evidence Is Stacking Against Him

 

[squeekness]

Did 'True Detective' Creator Nic Pizzolatto Plagiarize? The Evidence Is Stacking Against Him

Well I hope this doesn't turn out to be a "thing" that kills the show. I don't know if he is guilty or not, I still think the writer did a great job.

 

[Paradox1]

That is disturbing

 

[Bruce Malone]

I mean that's been discussed for a while and Nic did do himself no favor by not at least crediting the guy with providing him with those ideas.

If this blows up he could have saved a lot of face by just have name dropped the author some time back.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Oh mama.

 

[runawayboulder]

I'm not sure if I really care about that. It's all for our entertainment and all creative people usually are inspired from other works they've read. I could care less where the "Time is a Flat Circle" dialogue originated from. The show had more to it than that such as the performances, directing and cinematography. This is some person stirring s**t up.

 

[slimshady247]

Eh. I smell ********.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

This is BS since Pizzolatto has spoken a few times about the major influence Ligotti was on Cohle as a character, there are articles about it.

Move on.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

"Pizzolatto: That’s tough — on the one hand I want to name one of the blue-chip classics, and on the other I’d like to give an endorsement to people who may not usually get enough attention. I mean, I’d suggest Lovecraft or Poe, but everybody knows them already. More recently, I’d point people in the direction of Thomas Ligotti"

When did you first hear of and read Ligotti?

I first heard of Ligotti maybe six years ago, when Laird Barron’s first collection alerted me to this whole world of new weird fiction that I hadn’t known existed. I started looking around for the best contemporary stuff to read, and in any discussion of that kind, the name “Ligotti” comes up first. I couldn’t find any of his books in print, and their used prices were prohibitive for me at the time. But I located a couple at libraries, and his nightmare lyricism was enthralling and visionary.


What work of his do you find the most influential? Are you more attracted to his fiction or his nonfictional writing? Have you read his nonfiction book, “The Conspiracy Against the Human Race”?

I read “The Conspiracy Against the Human Race” and found it incredibly powerful writing. For me as a reader, it was less impactful as philosophy than as one writer’s ultimate confessional: an absolute horror story, where the self is the monster. In episode one [of "True Detective"] there are two lines in particular (and it would have been nothing to re-word them) that were specifically phrased in such a way as to signal Ligotti admirers. Which, of course, you got.

The philosophy Cohle promotes in the show’s earliest episodes is a kind of anti-natalist nihilism, and in that regard all cats should be unbagged: “Confessions of an Antinatalist,” “Nihil Unbound,” “In the Dust of this Planet,” “Better to Have Never Been,” and lots of Cioran were all on the reading list. This is before I came out to Hollywood, but I knew that in my next work I would have a detective who was (or thought he was) a nihilist. I’d already been reading E.M. Cioran for years and consider him one of my all-time favorite and, oddly, most nourishing writers. As an aphorist, Cioran has no rivals other than perhaps Nietzsche, and many of his philosophies are echoed by Ligotti. But Ligotti is far more disturbing than Cioran, who is actually very funny. In exploring these philosophies, nobody I’ve read has expressed the idea of humanity as aberration more powerfully than Cioran and Ligotti.



BOOM, you're welcome. That was back in February

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well the show is called True Detective and murder mystery is pretty much standard for the trope.

I guess maybe a missing person case could have been interesting? but it wouldn't probably be too different from a murder case in the end.

Sure, but missing person can still factor into a murder mystery, hence some of missing girls from season one.

I don't mind it at all. I prefer a good murder mystery anyway. And I guess with them going with the Satanic symbols and the occult, this seems to be a continuing staple for the show since it's the very thing that sets it apart from other detective stories.

How that's executed is a whole other thing.

 

[chamber-music]

Yup. There were people on here calling Marion Cotillard a bad actress for her death scene in TDKR, and someone said Ken Watanabe "needs to stay away from cinema for a long time" for his performance in Godzilla.

Idiotic.

Most actors don't do their best performances in blockbuster popcorn flicks which is why I don't think it is a good idea to judge their acting skills on those types of films.

It will be cool to see Vince vaughn doing some serious roles again.

 

[runawayboulder]

"Pizzolatto: That’s tough — on the one hand I want to name one of the blue-chip classics, and on the other I’d like to give an endorsement to people who may not usually get enough attention. I mean, I’d suggest Lovecraft or Poe, but everybody knows them already. More recently, I’d point people in the direction of Thomas Ligotti"

When did you first hear of and read Ligotti?

I first heard of Ligotti maybe six years ago, when Laird Barron’s first collection alerted me to this whole world of new weird fiction that I hadn’t known existed. I started looking around for the best contemporary stuff to read, and in any discussion of that kind, the name “Ligotti” comes up first. I couldn’t find any of his books in print, and their used prices were prohibitive for me at the time. But I located a couple at libraries, and his nightmare lyricism was enthralling and visionary.


What work of his do you find the most influential? Are you more attracted to his fiction or his nonfictional writing? Have you read his nonfiction book, “The Conspiracy Against the Human Race”?

I read “The Conspiracy Against the Human Race” and found it incredibly powerful writing. For me as a reader, it was less impactful as philosophy than as one writer’s ultimate confessional: an absolute horror story, where the self is the monster. In episode one [of "True Detective"] there are two lines in particular (and it would have been nothing to re-word them) that were specifically phrased in such a way as to signal Ligotti admirers. Which, of course, you got.

The philosophy Cohle promotes in the show’s earliest episodes is a kind of anti-natalist nihilism, and in that regard all cats should be unbagged: “Confessions of an Antinatalist,” “Nihil Unbound,” “In the Dust of this Planet,” “Better to Have Never Been,” and lots of Cioran were all on the reading list. This is before I came out to Hollywood, but I knew that in my next work I would have a detective who was (or thought he was) a nihilist. I’d already been reading E.M. Cioran for years and consider him one of my all-time favorite and, oddly, most nourishing writers. As an aphorist, Cioran has no rivals other than perhaps Nietzsche, and many of his philosophies are echoed by Ligotti. But Ligotti is far more disturbing than Cioran, who is actually very funny. In exploring these philosophies, nobody I’ve read has expressed the idea of humanity as aberration more powerfully than Cioran and Ligotti.



BOOM, you're welcome. That was back in February

There we have it. This was all probably all started by some overzealous Fargo fanboy with nothing better to do.