HBO's True Detective - Part 2

[antsman41]

Good lord you need to stop being a kiss ass and hate on anyone who hates on anything you like. You've done this before.

Since 2006, I've only have had to block one person and that is Broseph.

 

[TheFuture]

Good season overall heading into the finale but man were there some slow parts more often then not. Another issue I have is remembering the side character names and people interviewed from episode 2 and other places. I also wish we would have got more cat and mouse scenes with the killer like in episode 2 when colin was shot in the house at close range. If the killer turns out to be side character who was barely on reguarly then I might really knock this season down.

TBH if you asked me to name anyone in Season 1 beyond Ruste and Marty I'd be hard pushed, doesn't take away from how stellar it was though.

 

[Broseph44]

Where exactly was he hating in the particular post you quoted, though? Looks to me like a simple observation. A bit too many trigger-happy reactions in this thread.



Season 1 was pretty much the perfect storm, from start to finish. I mean, it probably helped that I binge watched it, but I thought it was brilliant throughout. Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who found the finale thoroughly satisfying, if not totally what I expected.

I know some people were also disappointed because the Yellow King wasn't an actual character, but I thought it was more interesting that it was more like a concept and deity represented by that creepy-ass shrine in Carcossa. Ties into the whole idea of the cult possibly continuing despite Rust and Marty having killed Childress - with the Yellow King and Carcossa being more of a symbol and a concept, than an actual character, it's much more difficult to take them out than simply killing the one guy. But that was the beauty of Season 1, it was Rust and Marty's personal stories, so for them to get their guy at the end was a satisfying conclusion to their overall arcs.

I've enjoyed the differences that this season has brought, though. With it featuring four leads instead of just two, it's not seemed as personal as S1, but that has in turn, now that I think of it, tied into the season itself not being about one killer, but about the 'sprawl' of corruption at the highest levels which Doctor Jones was mentioning a page ago, which also ties into S1, despite this being an anthology series. As others have mentioned, not as brilliant as S1, but still pretty damn good. Hope the finale delivers as well.

Yep was just a simple observation I made haha.

Since 2006, I've only have had to block one person and that is Broseph.

Awww this is so sweet I feel honored t: too bad he can't read it but oh well.

 

[Doctor Jones]

If anyone has any questions about the plot and might be confused in some areas, there's a great article on Slate.com breaking the entire case down that makes things extremely helpful and clear going into the finale.

 

[Uptown Finest]

Good season overall heading into the finale but man were there some slow parts more often then not. Another issue I have is remembering the side character names and people interviewed from episode 2 and other places. I also wish we would have got more cat and mouse scenes with the killer like in episode 2 when colin was shot in the house at close range. If the killer turns out to be side character who was barely on reguarly then I might really knock this season down.

But Childress was exactly that last season. He only appeared in 3 episodes and the last episode was the only one he had more than 1 scene.

 

[Uptown Finest]

Pizzolatto explicitly stated before season two aired that there wouldn't be an occult or supernatural like aspect to this season and it was strictly more of a crime drama.

Well still the crime drama element could of been done better. I understand he was going for a noir style story but it could of been done better.

 

[JtheDreamer]

TBH if you asked me to name anyone in Season 1 beyond Ruste and Marty I'd be hard pushed, doesn't take away from how stellar it was though.

That's what I was saying. Last season it was Martin and his wife, Rust, and The Yellow King. Season 2 is far richer in the "character" department. So many eccentric people we've been introduced to.

 

[Broseph44]

I miss Alexandra Daddario

 

[JtheDreamer]

I miss Alexandra Daddario

Oh wait. I can't forget about that couch scene. My lord man!

 

[Uptown Finest]

If anyone has any questions about the plot and might be confused in some areas, there's a great article on Slate.com breaking the entire case down that makes things extremely helpful and clear going into the finale.

After reading that article it does make this season make way much more sense. Still everything could of been done better but the plot makes sense now after reading all of that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well still the crime drama element could of been done better. I understand he was going for a noir style story but it could of been done better.

That's fair to say. I'm being totally honest though, there are many times these plot intricacies go over my head when I first see a movie or a tv show and I have to watch it again to catch what I missed or I just read a wikipedia summary to clear anything up.

 

[Uptown Finest]

That's fair to say. I'm being totally honest though, there are many times these plot intricacies go over my head when I first see a movie or a tv show and I have to watch it again to catch what I missed or I just read a wikipedia summary to clear anything up.

Yeah a lot of things flew over my head this season.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Uptown Finest]

That entire scene was intense and good.

 

[BestGirl]

I guess you missed the whole "man abused as a child dealing with major PTSD, and sexuality repression issues" thing going on.

I've bagged on Taylor Kitsch before, but not in this role. The duality between what he wanted to be and the sexual urges that overcame him was really interesting to watch. Especially when he errupted on the streets soon after he found himself awake in his buddy's bed.

You're not human if you've never had an experience where you gave into an urge that you hated yourself for or experienced extreme self-loathing.

I didn't miss his characterization; I just didn't care about. What I'm asking is, what did he accomplish in the story aside from getting killed in an admittedly cool shootout? What did he do that no other character could have done? He helped Ani and Vera to the car after the party. That's all I can think of. I figured he had to be Birdman or at least affiliated with him to justify all the time we spent with his character. No such luck.

 

[childeroland]

Nice season summary.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...ide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html

 

[BestGirl]

I haven't really found the plot to be all that complicated except for the land deals and that's just because that kind of thing is too boring for me to pay attention to. If you look up every character's name on imdb and read about the episode after it aired it's not that confusing.

If anyone has any questions about the plot and might be confused in some areas, there's a great article on Slate.com breaking the entire case down that makes things extremely helpful and clear going into the finale.

I read that article. It's excellent. The one thing I'm still confused about is the blue diamonds. Who stole them and when? From the article I got the impression that they were taken from police custody. So I guess it was Burris then?

 

[JtheDreamer]

I didn't miss his characterization; I just didn't care about. What I'm asking is, what did he accomplish in the story aside from getting killed in an admittedly cool shootout? What did he do that no other character could have done? He helped Ani and Vera to the car after the party. That's all I can think of. I figured he had to be Birdman or at least affiliated with him to justify all the time we spent with his character. No such luck.

He was a God-warrior in that shootout. His fellow detectives were in awe of how he conducted himself in what was basically a death trap. There were also key pieces of information he contributed during his own field detective work. Surprising given that he originally protested as only wanting to be on the bike.

His character was also someone trying to get his life in order and just when he thought he had something to help him do that and "become a good man" he got gunned down.

There was a struggle there for Woodrough, it just seems you didn't care for the subject matter.

 

[Uptown Finest]

He did get some key information for the team and was a badass in the death traps. Only problem was the sexually repressed angle. They could of left that out and just had him trying to recover from PSTD.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I didn't mind Kitsch, I felt it's his best performance he has turned in. But overall at times he felt kind of flat and one note, I liked the character but regarding what happened last episode, I didn't feel much, which was strange. He's probably the protagonist I care about least, but easily the one who has a simple but relatable goal; have a good life.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I haven't really found the plot to be all that complicated except for the land deals and that's just because that kind of thing is too boring for me to pay attention to. If you look up every character's name on imdb and read about the episode after it aired it's not that confusing.



I read that article. It's excellent. The one thing I'm still confused about is the blue diamonds. Who stole them and when? From the article I got the impression that they were taken from police custody. So I guess it was Burris then?

Burris and Dixon were the thieves who stole the diamonds during the LA Riots of '92 and they killed those kids parents. Holloway and Caspere were in on it who worked above the two and they stole the diamonds to buy into the Vinci power structure to go from low level in that Hollywood district to high rolling in Vinci.

 

[JtheDreamer]

He did get some key information for the team and was a badass in the death traps. Only problem was the sexually repressed angle. They could of left that out and just had him trying to recover from PSTD.

Personally, I liked the the sexually repressed angle .... especially the duality of everything he was experiencing. I've been thru things in life where I felt that kind of self-loathing. Found it very relate-able.

 

[The Shape]

Nice season summary.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...ide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html

This was actually super helpful, clarified a a few things I was a little fuzzy on.

This summary highlights the connective tissue between the two mysteries on the show and makes the season seem masterfully woven together, but I definitely feel that the mysteries this season have come off as too overly convoluted and sometimes confusing on the show itself.

 

[Uptown Finest]

Burris and Dixon were the thieves who stole the diamonds during the LA Riots of '92 and they killed those kids parents. Holloway and Caspere were in on it who worked above the two and they stole the diamonds to buy into the Vinci power structure to go from low level in that Hollywood district to high rolling in Vinci.

Any chance birdman takes Holloway and Burris out in the finale?

 

[BestGirl]

He was a God-warrior in that shootout. His fellow detectives were in awe of how he conducted himself in what was basically a death trap. There were also key pieces of information he contributed during his own field detective work. Surprising given that he originally protested as only wanting to be on the bike.

His character was also someone trying to get his life in order and just when he thought he had something to help him do that and "become a good man" he got gunned down.

There was a struggle there for Woodrough, it just seems you didn't care for the subject matter.

Yes, I suppose not.

Burris and Dixon were the thieves who stole the diamonds during the LA Riots of '92 and they killed those kids parents. Holloway and Caspere were in on it who worked above the two and they stole the diamonds to buy into the Vinci power structure to go from low level in that Hollywood district to high rolling in Vinci.

I know who stole the diamonds the first time, in 92. What I want to know is who stole them in 2015? The article says that, after Caspere's murder, the diamonds were found (by the police?) in a safe deposit box. Later, they were discovered to be missing. Paul went to pawn shops asking around about the diamonds and learned that Dixon had been looking for the diamonds even before they had been reported as missing. So what I'm asking is, does that mean Burris stole them the second time? Did Erica/Laura get to them somehow?