Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - Part 15

[GothamBat]

Well I believe that there should definitely be some things that Superman should never be written to do, unless it's a elseworld type of story.

Some of the things that come to the top of my mind are using strong profanity, sleeping around with several women in a promiscuous manner, executing people in cold blood (without being affected or influenced by some other party), torturing his adversaries, etc.

And I'd would that with all incarnations of superman that it comes down to his choice of being a hero because he genuinely wants to help people and not because he feels like he was forced to.

Not muh superman

 

[BH/HHH]

Well I believe that there should definitely be some things that Superman should never be written to do, unless it's a elseworld type of story.

Some of the things that come to the top of my mind are using strong profanity, sleeping around with several women in a promiscuous manner, executing people in cold blood (without being affected or influenced by some other party), torturing his adversaries, etc.

And I'd would that with all incarnations of superman that it comes down to his choice of being a hero because he genuinely wants to help people and not because he feels like he was forced to.

Aren’t all these stories Elseworlds? The only thing that’s really canon is the comics and even that’s ****ed up.

It’s another reason I didn’t get some of the complaints about Smallville or now with Gotham. People don’t like that the villains come first but end of the day it’s an alternate take on the mythos. And no I’m not saying that all complaints are invalid just the ones that say Superman (or Batman or whoever) wouldn’t do that. When in actuality these characters have been around for decades and reinvented dozens of times.

 

[Herolee10]

Not muh superman

Well to be fair, when they had originally shot that scene it was supposed to end with Zod and company being apprehended by the arctic police. It was only after filming ended that they made the choice to delete the scene showing Zod's actual fate, thus giving the impression that Superman murdered them in cold blood.

 

[GothamBat]

Well to be fair, when they had originally shot that scene it was supposed to end with Zod and company being apprehended by the arctic police. It was only after filming ended that they made the choice to delete the scene showing Zod's actual fate, thus giving the impression that Superman murdered them in cold blood.

I know, I know.

 

[Superchan]

I mean, there should be a middle ground.

Hell, if I had it my way we would have Injustice League Superman. Yes, with Supes killing Lois and his own baby. All that stuff. You bastahs complain about dark Supes? I'll show ya dark. But one extreme for another aint the best way to go.

You sound like Zack Snyder when he said that BB ain't dark but batman getting raped in prison would be!!

I would love an injustice superman especially if they show the violent death of Lois Lame (sans the baby) but I want them to go further and just make superman lose it and snap lois's neck for being such a lame character and the after credits scene would be supes and wondy hooking up at the FOS.

 

[heatvision38]

You think it’s awful to approach a Superman film by making it for children?

Boy, am I done with this...

Comic book movies have matured beyond just being for children, just as comic books have themselves.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'd actually appreciate a serious, more introspective take on Superman that dealt with some challenging themes.

Too bad Snyder and co. gave us a **** version of that.

 

[chintai80]

I'd actually appreciate a serious, more introspective take on Superman that dealt with some challenging themes.

Too bad Snyder and co. gave us a **** version of that.

agreed with the bolded.

i feel we got that with MoS.
it sort of faltered with his portrayal in BvS - i appreciated what Synder was trying to do but it could've been better.

Then JL threw that all away.
I wish they actually followed through - but ya know, WB meddling and reshoots, etc.
It is what it is.

I get why you might think it's a crap version of the character, but I can only partially agree.

 

[Superchan]

I'd actually appreciate a serious, more introspective take on Superman that dealt with some challenging themes.

Too bad Snyder and co. gave us a **** version of that.

Flint I suggest you read the following comicbooks:

1. Adventures of superman#19-20
This is from the digital comicbook series a few years back. These 2
issues in particular deal with the religious implications of superman

2. Action #695
Another issue that deals with the religious aspect of superman.

3. Superman peace on earth

4. Adventures of superman #590
Lex luthor tries to set superman up by implicating him in an international
incident only for superman to turn the tables on him. Basically the african
incident bit from BvS but done right.

 

[Herolee10]

Still boggles my mind on how Warner Bros paid actual money in deleting this...

to get this?

though at least now we all know on how to make even someone as handsome Henry look weird/scary on film.

 

[Gu3ree]

Of all the CGI mouth shots, I remember this above one in particular not only not looking like Cavill's mouth, but the teeth looking like somebody else's teeth entirely. The gums too. Teeth looked crooked and off center, as is the smile. I wonder...are those Cavill's teeth in that shot?

 

[BH/HHH]

Well to be fair, when they had originally shot that scene it was supposed to end with Zod and company being apprehended by the arctic police. It was only after filming ended that they made the choice to delete the scene showing Zod's actual fate, thus giving the impression that Superman murdered them in cold blood.

It’s irrelevant because the scene was deleted.

 

[Herolee10]

It’s irrelevant because the scene was deleted.

Well the point that I was trying to make was that when Reeve and company had first shot that scene, they had approached it with the belief that Superman wasn't murdering Zod with a smile hence the expressions that Reeve makes when acting the scene out.

 

[Micromind]

The point is, that Ordinary Zod can't survive that throw's impact (damage to spine) and the fall, so that action and Supes attitude is in question.

 

[Polux]

It's still a Superman grossly abusing his power, same as in the dinner scene later.

That's gotta be the most un-Superman thing put to screen.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

These MoS posters with their

have led SHH to ruin!

 

[Superchan]

It's still a Superman grossly abusing his power, same as in the dinner scene later.

That's gotta be the most un-Superman thing put to screen.

Yup right up there with "no one stays good in this world".

 

[misslane38]

Yup right up there with "no one stays good in this world".

That line is grossly misinterpreted. Superman is echoing the same sentiments Luthor shares later: the all powerful cannot be all good. It's true. No one stays good all the time. There are times when goodness falters. We all have light and dark inside of us, and sometimes the darkness cannot be kept completely at bay. That doesn't mean we all, including Superman, have the capacity for great evil. It is the same sentiment Bruce expresses at the end of the film. Men are still good, but they do fight and betray one another. It's the same thing Steve wants Diana to learn from him. Maybe we are all to blame.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Well to be fair, when they had originally shot that scene it was supposed to end with Zod and company being apprehended by the arctic police. It was only after filming ended that they made the choice to delete the scene showing Zod's actual fate, thus giving the impression that Superman murdered them in cold blood.

But ....what...huh? I thought only Snyder had Superman murder people?! Superman doesn't kill

 

[BH/HHH]

Well the point that I was trying to make was that when Reeve and company had first shot that scene, they had approached it with the belief that Superman wasn't murdering Zod with a smile hence the expressions that Reeve makes when acting the scene out.

Ok I’ll give gouvthat but I’ll also give you that directors film a lot of stuff and don’t know what a film will be until they get in the editing room.

 

[idiot09]

That line is grossly misinterpreted. Superman is echoing the same sentiments Luthor shares later: the all powerful cannot be all good. It's true. No one stays good all the time. There are times when goodness falters. We all have light and dark inside of us, and sometimes the darkness cannot be kept completely at bay. That doesn't mean we all, including Superman, have the capacity for great evil. It is the same sentiment Bruce expresses at the end of the film. Men are still good, but they do fight and betray one another. It's the same thing Steve wants Diana to learn from him. Maybe we are all to blame.

Yeah its taking a line grossly out of context, from a scene where the hero was at its lowest point. I can easily say that Diana saying this is a Wonder Woman movie is criminal :

"She was right, my mother was right... she said the world of men do not deserve you, they don't deserve our help"

But I wont. Because its stupid af and completely misses the point

 

[markjoedelonge]

Yeah its taking a line grossly out of context, from a scene where the hero was at its lowest point. I can easily say that Diana saying this is a Wonder Woman movie is criminal :

"She was right, my mother was right... she said the world of men do not deserve you, they don't deserve our help"

But I wont. Because its stupid af and completely misses the point

You guys are wrong. That line is something Superman would never say. The audience and critics have deemed it so. Superman is not allowed to doubt himself or his place in a world where the lines between good and evil are blurred.

 

[Superchan]

Yeah its taking a line grossly out of context, from a scene where the hero was at its lowest point. I can easily say that Diana saying this is a Wonder Woman movie is criminal :

"She was right, my mother was right... she said the world of men do not deserve you, they don't deserve our help"

But I wont. Because its stupid af and completely misses the point

Who the hell is talking about Wonderwoman? I was talking about superman.
Wonderwoman is a demi-god warrior born amazon, she could kill and give up all she wants but superman is another thing entirely.
The 'symbol of hope' (according Snyder's MOS) doesn't abandon humanity and goes off on an acid trip with pa kent on top of a mountain only to come back supposedly all healed and rejuvenated only to spew off more downbeat dialogue like that before going off to fight batman.
To me superman giving up and moping like a b**** is just about as bad as superman killing in cold blood.

 

[honestbharani]

That line is grossly misinterpreted. Superman is echoing the same sentiments Luthor shares later: the all powerful cannot be all good. It's true. No one stays good all the time. There are times when goodness falters. We all have light and dark inside of us, and sometimes the darkness cannot be kept completely at bay. That doesn't mean we all, including Superman, have the capacity for great evil. It is the same sentiment Bruce expresses at the end of the film. Men are still good, but they do fight and betray one another. It's the same thing Steve wants Diana to learn from him. Maybe we are all to blame.

Well, if that was the intent, they should have worked harder. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" just put it across so much better.

 

[Arachnerd]