Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - Part 17

[heatvision38]

We're all assuming that he's being demanding but I understand why he'd be require a little bit of wooing.

It hasn't gone great for Cavill thus far, so he might need some convincing that this is worth spending two more years of his life on. Yes, it's a huge role and one that he should be grateful for having, but I totally get why he'd want some level of control over the final product and assurance that returning would be worth it.

I agree.

 

[flickchick85]

Why is he lucky?

Look at his career before this role. There are fewer people to have played Superman in live action than have walked on the moon. It's a timeless character that has endured for 80 years, immortalizes him in cinema history, gets him idolized by a whole generation of kids and fans, he gets to meet and work with some of his Hollywood idols, and he's already making more money on one job than most of us can dream of. Why shouldn't he feel lucky? It's a once-in-a-lifetime type of gig that most actors would kill for.

He ain't Daniel Day-Lewis, and he wasn't on the road to Emmys and Oscars before this. He just happens to have found a role that fits his particular look and style well. Unless the Broccoli's come back at him for Bond, this is as good as it gets for him, imo.

 

[Jekecy]

Incorrect. Not the same at all. Spiderman hides behind a mask and he's a kid. Anyone can play that role. Superman has a much harder job of casting. Everyone knows that. Done compare.

Since the 2000s, more people have been cast as a live-action Supes than there have been Spider-Men. Doesn't look that difficult, considering all of them have their fair share of devotees.

Garfield was in a different universe, though. It's like saying that they replaced Clooney with Bale. Different worlds. They are not meant to be the same versions of the character. To replace Superman AND Batman after 4 or 5 movies in would be strange.

If both Affleck and Cavill are replaced, the likelihood of them keeping within the same timeline is close to nil. The DCEU canon as it is has drawn so much ire, it would be dumb for WB to stick with it when they also have new stars to come into the roles.

 

[Greenlite]

Is this RDJ contract thing pre-IM1? Like we don’t even know how credible this specific info is

If I were Garcia I’d play hard but back down quickly lol because yes they are the side benefiting more by keeping the role, but you can’t just lie down as an agent, bad for your brand need more actors than wrestlers in the company =P

MI6 would be a bargaining chip because like others said they don’t have much bargain chips, then they actually need to use every single one to squeeze out a good deal

I can see Garcia stop negotiating for like 3 days then call back and ask hey we will take that offer plus a Mercedes or something =P

Unless they have a brain fart

 

[Tra-El]

That makes the most sense. Cavill never complained. Not once. He was a cheerleader at press junkets and took the role very seriously. Everyone else took his film away from him for the sake of a wider DCU. If they want Henry to be Superman and vice versa, there has to be a commitment there and it starts with new contract talks. Negotiations get ugly sometimes but yeah if I was Henry I'd want clarity of the team he'd be working with on the future. The dude got sidelined for the most part and was a good sport throughout. He's a good man who knows a lot, respects and loves the character. He even has ideas and has had ideas. Henry is protective of the character when WB showed they weren't in many of these instances. I hope Henry gets to do Superman justice the way he now envisions.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Take a peek at Henry’s career before MOS

He even said it himself, he was passed on for Superman multiple times and even Bond. He’s not in the new MI movie if he doesn’t play Superman. It’s not a Cinderella Story or anything like that, but he’s not in the position he’s in today without Zack Snyder

 

[harlequinade]

Why is he lucky?

Have you seen his gigs outside of this? The only reason he is relatively famous is this. His other recent films is Netfllix disaster and some Indie flick. The Last time he went lead in blockbuster it was a massive flop

 

[Tra-El]

Look at his career before this role. There are fewer people to have played Superman in live action than have walked on the moon. It's a timeless character that has endured for 80 years, immortalizes him in cinema history, he gets to meet and work with some of his Hollywood idols, and he's already making more money on one job than most of us can dream of. Why shouldn't he feel lucky? It's a once-in-a-lifetime type of gig that most actors would kill for.

He ain't Daniel Day-Lewis, and he wasn't on the road to Emmys and Oscars before this. He just happens to have found a role that fits his particular look and persona well. Unless the Broccoli's come back at him for Bond, this is as good as it gets for him, imo.

On the flip side, there have been creators, directors and actors who have admitted that Superman is intimidating and a character that is super difficult to write. It's one of those do or die roles. The payday I'm sure is huge but Superman hasn't been a slam dunk in so long. It would be hard, atleast at the moment, to find another Suprrman actor that is committed as much as Henry. When Cavill talks of Superman , especially the future, hearts buldge out of his pupils. That's hard to find.

 

[Jenocide]

Incorrect. Not the same at all. Spiderman hides behind a mask and he's a kid. Anyone can play that role. Superman has a much harder job of casting. Everyone knows that. Done compare.

Kinda sorta agree with that, but not entirely. Superman SHOULD be harder to cast, but it seems to me that Superman's humanity is absent from these films. He's an alien and a super hero. As long as that comes across on screen, the filmmakers are happy.

So, yes, Superman SHOULD be a performance, but in my opinion, the audience and or Hollywood isn't interested in a well-rounded character that can rollercoaster through a range of emotions. Thus, Superman becomes as easy to cast as a guy who wears a mask for 2/3 of a movie.

 

[markjoedelonge]

First Ben, now Henry.....lmao.

 

[flickchick85]

On the flip side, there have been creators, directors and actors who have admitted that Superman is intimidating and a character that is super difficult to write. It's one of those do or die roles. The payday I'm sure is huge but Superman hasn't been a slam dunk in so long. It would be hard, atleast at the moment, to find another Suprrman actor that is committed as much as Henry. When Cavill talks of Superman , especially the future, hearts buldge out of his pupils. That's hard to find.

I agree with that, Superman is the hardest superhero to cast because unlike most, he doesn't have a mask or cowl to do half the visual work for him. The guy's gotta have a VERY specific look, and to find someone with that look who can act the part as well can be a real challenge. But ultimately, here's the rub: WB doesn't need a Superman movie. At all. They won't drop the character completely, but they'd be perfectly fine taking a few years to find a new guy. They've got a TV Superman that was well-received that they could bring back and do more with at any time, and they've got other active Superman properties. The brand will endure. And outside of Superman, they've got other franchises and bigger money-makers. Henry needs this role a lot more than they need him.

 

[harlequinade]

I think they wont recast. There just wont be Superman for a while

 

[Jekecy]

First Ben, now Henry.....lmao.

Don't forget Joaquin's getting a Joker-starring movie before Leto. Sans WW, all the DC all-stars are getting wrecked one at a time.

 

[harlequinade]

Yeah Leto is not coming back mark my words

 

[flickchick85]

At this rate, we're looking at a Justice League reboot in 5 years starring Gal Gadot, maybe Jason Momoa, and bunch of new faces, lol.

 

[Tra-El]

I agree with that, Superman is the hardest superhero to cast because unlike most, he doesn't have a mask or cowl to do half the visual work for him. The guy's gotta have a VERY specific look, and to find someone with that look who can act the part as well can be a real challenge. But ultimately, here's the rub: WB doesn't need a Superman movie. At all. They won't drop the character completely, but they'd be perfectly fine taking a few years to find a new guy. They've got a TV Superman that was well-received that they could bring back and do more with at any time, and they've got other active Superman properties. The brand will endure. And outside of Superman, they've got other franchises and bigger money-makers. Henry needs this role a lot more than they need him.

I can agree with all of that. Though, you have SUPERMAN...

.. SUPERMAN. Sure at the moment nobody brought out the utmost potential..but could you imagine if a Superman movie lands like we all think it could? That's a goldmine just waiting to errupt. If WB doesn't know what they got then shame on them. I guess we won't know for awhile. My enthusiasm is all but shot anyhow.

 

[heatvision38]

Look at his career before this role. There are fewer people to have played Superman in live action than have walked on the moon. It's a timeless character that has endured for 80 years, immortalizes him in cinema history, gets him idolized by a whole generation of kids and fans, he gets to meet and work with some of his Hollywood idols, and he's already making more money on one job than most of us can dream of. Why shouldn't he feel lucky? It's a once-in-a-lifetime type of gig that most actors would kill for.

He ain't Daniel Day-Lewis, and he wasn't on the road to Emmys and Oscars before this. He just happens to have found a role that fits his particular look and style well. Unless the Broccoli's come back at him for Bond, this is as good as it gets for him, imo.

Ok, so he is fortunate then. Maybe it's semantics, but I don't think so. Lucky would imply it just happened and he did nothing to be involved in any of this. This is a guy who worked hard to get to where he is. I imagine he would be the first person to admit he is fortunate to be where he is. I just don't like the word "lucky" because that removes any sense of agency on his part, almost as if to say, "You'll take what you can get and you'll like it."

 

[markjoedelonge]

Don't forget Joaquin's getting a Joker-starring movie before Leto. Sans WW, all the DC all-stars are getting wrecked one at a time.

It's like WB is going out of its way to wreck its relationship with the DCEU actors. Even Laurence Fishburne has jumped ship to Marvel!

 

[heatvision38]

Since the 2000s, more people have been cast as a live-action Supes than there have been Spider-Men. Doesn't look that difficult, considering all of them have their fair share of devotees.


If both Affleck and Cavill are replaced, the likelihood of them keeping within the same timeline is close to nil. The DCEU canon as it is has drawn so much ire, it would be dumb for WB to stick with it when they also have new stars to come into the roles.

So everyone just look the other way. We will have the same Wonder Woman, the same Aquaman, the same Flash and some other characters that also existed in the same universe that also had Cavill's Superman and Affleck's Batman. But going forward, we are going to pretend they are all still the same characters, but then again, not really.

 

[heatvision38]

That makes the most sense. Cavill never complained. Not once. He was a cheerleader at press junkets and took the role very seriously. Everyone else took his film away from him for the sake of a wider DCU. If they want Henry to be Superman and vice versa, there has to be a commitment there and it starts with new contract talks. Negotiations get ugly sometimes but yeah if I was Henry I'd want clarity of the team he'd be working with on the future. The dude got sidelined for the most part and was a good sport throughout. He's a good man who knows a lot, respects and loves the character. He even has ideas and has had ideas. Henry is protective of the character when WB showed they weren't in many of these instances. I hope Henry gets to do Superman justice the way he now envisions.

This ^

 

[flickchick85]

Ok, so he is fortunate then. Maybe it's semantics, but I don't think so. Lucky would imply it just happened and he did nothing to be involved in any of this. This is a guy who worked hard to get to where he is. I imagine he would be the first person to admit he is fortunate to be where he is. I just don't like the word "lucky" because that removes any sense of agency on his part, almost as if to say, "You'll take what you can get you'll like it."

I get that. But he is lucky that he happened to be of the right age and have the right look when they were looking for a new Superman back when McG (or whomever) was casting. Because there are plenty of actors who probably worked much harder than him who never got into that room. In this industry, luck generally has A LOT to do with one's success. Like I said, he's not Daniel Day-Lewis. He's solid, but talent isn't primarily what got him this role.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Honestly, I don't think Henry's asking for more money. I think he just wants more creative control over the character. I think he has some ideas on where Superman should go now. Again, this is just my intuition.

 

[flickchick85]

Honestly, I don't think Henry's asking for more money. I think he just wants more creative control over the character. I think he has some ideas on where Superman should go now. Again, this is just my intuition.

Of course he's asking for more money. And he should. That's normal when negotiating new contracts. Just like any other job - you put in the time and pay your dues, you should eventually expect a raise. He and Garcia are just hopefully doing it within reason, and not what these rumors are suggesting.

 

[Jekecy]

Honestly, I don't think Henry's asking for more money. I think he just wants more creative control over the character. I think he has some ideas on where Superman should go now. Again, this is just my intuition.

https://metro.co.uk/2013/04/28/man-of-steel-star-henry-cavill-admits-the-money-matters-3684894/

Man Of Steel star Henry Cavill admits: The money matters

Henry Cavill says he’s one star who won’t pretend he’s not in it for the millions. The new Superman heartthrob says he needs the cash to maintain his new starry lifestyle after posing up by a red Ferrari. Admitting he has the bank balance on the brain, the 29-year-old Englishman said: ‘Yeah! What, are you crazy? God, all those people who say, “Oh no, the money doesn’t matter.’ Yeah, right. They’re either mad, or they’re lying. I mean, come on. “Oh no, don’t pay me anything, it’s for the arts.” I’m sorry, no. Pay me the money. I’m not doing it for charity. I’m not a nonprofit organisation. Plus it’s expensive flying back and forward to LA. You need a job that pays money.’ But Cavill, who will debut in his cape when Man Of Steel is released next month, wants to earn his keep. ‘I want to be one of those names that producers want to hire because you put bums on seats,’ he said. The bulked up Tudors actor revealed he thought he’d lost his blockbuster job after he was made to audition in the former spandex Superman suit of former superhero star Christopher Reeve. ‘It was totally embarrassing,’ he told GQ magazine. ‘I wasn’t in training. I wasn’t feeling fit or looking good, and you put on a Lycra suit and it does not help it. I just thought, OK, I’m not getting this job. I’m fat Superman. It’ll be some really in-shape dude that when they step out they look amazing.’

 

[Mandon Knight]

Sorry, but HTF did we end up in this situation ? Only WB could put themselves in a scenario like this. ****ing amateurs.