Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - Part 17

[heatvision38]

I get that. But he is lucky that he happened to be of the right age and have the right look when they were looking for a new Superman back when McG (or whomever) was casting. Because there are plenty of actors who probably worked much harder than him who never got into that room.

Again, that goes to being fortunate. That can be said of anybody. Otherwise RDJ would be said to have been lucky since Feige and Favreau cast him at a point when nobody else would touch him. But obviously it's more than luck because RDJ's work up to that point still put him in a position to be heavily thought of for the role and allow Feige and Favreau to take a chance on him, then he had to earn the role, then he had to show everyone he was right for the role, all of which he did. So while there are certainly forces that he had no control over, to call him lucky would to imply he had nothing to do with his success, that it all happened to him. But of course nobody would say that (and by no means am I intimating that Cavill is as successful as RDJ).

Again, it's the term "lucky" that I have an issue with. Fortunate, yes, lucky, no. They aren't the same thing.

 

[flickchick85]

Again, that goes to being fortunate. That can be said of anybody. Otherwise RDJ would be said to have been lucky since Feige and Favreau cast him at a point when nobody else would touch him. But obviously it's more than luck because RDJ's work up to that point still put him in a position to be heavily thought of for the role and allow Feige and Favreau to take a chance on him, then he had to earn the role, then he had to show everyone he was right for the role, all of which he did. So while there are certainly forces that he had no control over, to call him lucky would to imply he had nothing to do with his success, that it all happened to him. But of course nobody would say that (and by no means am I intimating that Cavill is as successful as RDJ).

Again, it's the term "lucky" that I have an issue with. Fortunate, yes, lucky, no. They aren't the same thing.

They aren't the same thing, but he is both.

RDJ's success is more hard-earned than Henry's, imo. He didn't get in the door for Stark because of the way he looked. They wanted him because of his known talents as an actor. With Henry, it was a case of right look, right age, right time. That's what got him in the door, and that's the actor equivalent of winning the lottery. The "fortunate" part comes from the fact that he fought for the role and won it over the others with that same luck, and he acquitted himself well enough in the role to keep getting a chance to play it.

 

[heatvision38]

They aren't the same thing, but he is both.

Well, I can't disagree, but I think luck is a part of being fortunate. LeBron James is "lucky" that he had the genetic predisposition that allowed him to be 6'8" and the raw ability to play like a prodigy at such a young age, a man among boys. That's why I think "luck" is already inherent in being "fortunate." I think being "fortunate" already includes all those elements that are also out of one's control.

But I can get with saying he is both. Just don't like the implication that he solely lucky and that is all. It's almost a "get in your lane" kind of thought process, imo.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

There is no such thing as luck only hard work. Look at Michael Jordan, the greatest player to ever play the game. He wasn't born to be the greatest. This guy got cut from his high school team for not being good enough. That's right, the GOAT wasn't good enough. He didn't rub a magic genie lamp to improve and get where he wanted to be. He said fine, I'm not good enough so I'm going to obsess over this game until I prove you wrong. He put in the work to become the greatest player that ever lived. Talent comes from stubbornness, hard work and a don't give up attitude. This is an attitude anyone can apply to their life, some just give up though, others choose to thrive in it.

 

[flickchick85]

There is certainly a such thing as luck in Hollywood. You can be "discovered" just walking your dog in the right neighborhood at the right time if a casting director walking by likes your look. But success of course requires more than just luck.

 

[Jekecy]

There is no such thing as luck only hard work. Look at Michael Jordan, the greatest player to ever play the game. He wasn't born to be the greatest. This guy got cut from his high school team for not being good enough. That's right, the GOAT wasn't good enough. He didn't rub a magic genie lamp to improve and get where he wanted to be. He said fine, I'm not good enough so I'm going to obsess over this game until I prove you wrong. He put in the work to become the greatest player that ever lived. Talent comes from stubbornness, hard work and a don't give up attitude. This is an attitude anyone can apply to their life, some just give up though, others choose to thrive in it.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

There is certainly a such thing as luck in Hollywood. But success of course requires more than that.

I disagree. We know full well what goes on in Hollywood for people to get those starting parts now don't we?. Keeping those kinds of parts though does require charm, charisma and talent.

 

[flickchick85]

I disagree. We know full well what goes on in Hollywood for people to get those starting parts now don't we?. Keeping those kinds of parts though does require charm, charisma and talent.

Which is the "more than that" I was describing. But a lot of people are discovered by being in the right place at the right time, some of whom weren't even aspiring actors. That's called LUCK.

 

[markjoedelonge]

https://metro.co.uk/2013/04/28/man-of-steel-star-henry-cavill-admits-the-money-matters-3684894/

Of course he's asking for more money. And he should. That's normal when negotiating new contracts. Just like any other job - you put in the time and pay your dues, you should eventually expect a raise. He and Garcia are just hopefully doing it within reason, and not what these rumors are suggesting.

Well, don't I look silly now....

 

[Micromind]

Honestly, I don't think Henry's asking for more money. I think he just wants more creative control over the character. I think he has some ideas on where Superman should go now. Again, this is just my intuition.

I really don't think WB is against giving Cavill a role as a Producer and I don't think that WB will object if Cavill wants to give creative inputs on his movies.

I know it was a TV show but Tom Welling was given Producer credit and he gave his creative inputs to Smallville. Hell, he even directed some episodes.

IN DCEU, Margot and Gal are the Producers for their movies, so I doubt him asking to be the Producer will be the deal breaker here, it has to be related to getting paid as an A-List actor that seems to be the issue.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I'd be surprised if wanting a producer role is what's causing the hold-up. That's pretty normal these days, and as Micromind points out, WB are doing it with their other DC stars, so they don't seem to have issues agreeing to that. It's likely the size of the payday that's causing problems.

 

[Vaibow]

The way i see it, a role like superman brings with it a certain 'duty' - you have to truly believe in this guy. Make no mistake, Christopher Reeve was no angel, but he knew what it meant to so many fans.

Now, with Cavill, he showed the character so much respect, firstly, he did his homework and Cavill is on par with a lot of us regarding knowledge, he is a self proclaimed geek etc. So he gets the character. In many interviews he has stated it's a different superman, it's an evolution, it's heading the way we would assume a superman to behave. Make no mistake, he has an idea of how superman should be portrayed and he is getting fed up of not being able to show that, i mean the guy is in the gym 24/7 and to maintain that, it's hard.

I feel like Henry is saying - you lot don't know what you are talking about - let me collaborate with a director and let's do him some justice.

To which they are saying - hold on there princess, we have a plan.

To which Henry responds 'the plan was to improve us in JL - look at my frigging face'

Right now, they want to cash in on superman - if Cavil goes, who else will fill in and look that impressive in the suit and then stay loyal??

 

[heatvision38]

There is certainly a such thing as luck in Hollywood. You can be "discovered" just walking your dog in the right neighborhood at the right time if a casting director walking by likes your look. But success of course requires more than just luck.

Right. Maybe you were talking about David Boreanaz as that's how he was found (according to him). But none of that would have mattered if he couldn't act or couldn't play a role.

 

[flickchick85]

Right. Maybe you were talking about David Boreanaz as that's how he was found (according to him). But none of that would have mattered if he couldn't act or couldn't play a role.

Yes indeed (and I was thinking of him).

 

[heatvision38]

Yeah, I'd be surprised if wanting a producer role is what's causing the hold-up. That's pretty normal these days, and as Micromind points out, WB are doing it with their other DC stars, so they don't seem to have issues agreeing to that. It's likely the size of the payday that's causing problems.

And if that's the case, I have to think Henry won't do something that will cause him to lose this role. It may just be a matter of him getting every inch he can, and at some point, WB will say "this far and no further." And then Henry and his agent will understand they got as far they are going to get and sign on the dotted line. If playing hardball (whatever that might entail) nets him a few more mil or some points on the backend (or however all this stuff works), then all the more to them.

When I first got into following sports when I was a teenager, I used to wonder why athletes made a big deal about every dollar they can get. What's the difference in a million here or there when you are already making tens of millions? But as I got older, I came to realize that if it's not going into the athletes pocket, then it's going into the owner's. So why shouldn't the athlete fight for every dollar he can get. As employees, we're all expected to give 2 week's notice, but we can be let go in an instant (one of the reasons why I prefer working for myself). Get what you can Henry, but don't push it too far. I want you back... in the role.

 

[Micromind]

Cavill's agent (Dany Garcia) and WB Execs have to reach a middle ground for this to work out, Cavill needs to climb down from whatever paycheck he's demanding and WB need to pay him some respectable amount of money and a Producer gig.


I hope that WB are not going to insist that Cavill sign Marvel like contract for 6 movies, which is unfair for actors.

 

[heatvision38]

Yes indeed (and I was thinking of him).

Angel is my all-time favorite show.

 

[flickchick85]

And if that's the case, I have to think Henry won't do something that will cause him to lose this role. It may just be a matter of him getting every inch he can, and at some point, WB will say "this far and no further." And then Henry and his agent will understand they got as far they are going to get and sign on the dotted line. If playing hardball (whatever that might entail) nets him a few more mil or some points on the backend (or however all this stuff works), then all the more to them.

When I first got into following sports when I was a teenager, I used to wonder why athletes made a big deal about every dollar they can get. What's the difference in a million here or there when you are already making tens of millions? But as I got older, I came to realize that if it's not going into the athletes pocket, then it's going into the owner's. So why shouldn't the athlete fight for every dollar he can get. As employees, we're all expected to give 2 week's notice, but we can be let go in an instant (one of the reasons why I prefer working for myself). Get what you can Henry, but don't push it too far. I want you back... in the role.

Agreed. I certainly prefer to see actors get the money than studio execs, which is why I never agree when people complain about actors' high salaries. If you personally are bringing in millions for your employer, you deserve to be compensated on that level, imo. Of course, in an ideal world, the hardworking crew would get more of it, but alas, if it ain't going to the actors, it's going to the higher ups.

I do believe Henry should get a raise, and I think he and Garcia are right to play a little hardball with WB. I just...hope they know their limits. On no planet should Henry be getting RDJ money, for example - he hasn't even come close to earning that with what he's brought in. He should be worth about slightly less than Gal at this point - which is a lot. Hopefully they can settle on something close to that. I really don't want to see him leave the role before he gets a proper shot at a solo flick in a post-Snyder DCEU.

Angel is my all-time favorite show.

One of my faves as well. And it's funny, I always thought he WAS a crap actor on Buffy, because he was really green on that show, but he got much better on Angel. His "Irish" accent will never not be hilarious to me, though.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Some of y'all are wild as hell. No clue what figures are even floating around or what Cavill's asking for, but because you're so thirsty to keep him in the role you're now trying to say he doesn't deserve what he's asking for and should stay humble. Has Henry or his camp said anywhere he wants RDJ money? Or is everyone just using that comparison to justify him not fighting for the most he feels he deserves.

I will never take career growth advice from some of you lol.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

no one is saying that henry shouldn't be asking for what he thinks he's worth. hell, after all the crap they put him through these last 6 years, I'd be doing the same thing

I'm just saying that you shouldn't be surprised if WB decides to look at other avenues

 

[Wheels]

Cavill is a situation where if he does Superman again and it doesn't work he might be done. What's the issue with him trying to get max money out of this deal? Possibly front loading it in case his next Superman is his last? What in WB's recent history says Henry will get the chance to make make more money in the future? All those hit Superman movies?

 

[Micromind]

He should get more money but he is not in a position to act as if he is A-list star. It's not as if there are other great roles waiting for Henry once he quits Superman role, on the contrary, once you quit a big role, there's risk that you could fade into obscurity.

I remember that Brandon Routh got paid 2 mil for Superman Returns, which was a lot of money even in 2006. Now, with WB's new management under Hamada, they want DC movies with medium budgets (I think that means budget around 150 mil.), so they will not sign big paychecks, unless it is for some Hollywood star.

WB want to make DC movies with budgets under tight control, look at the actors in Shazam and WW84, no big name actors.

 

[Hammer!]

I kind of side with WB on this. Cavill is serviceable in the role, but there’s better actors that would bring more interest. A fresh start might do wonders since none of the films he was in have worked all that well. He’s definitely replaceable, and has no real leverage that holds any real weight here.

 

[Micromind]

Cavill is a situation where if he does Superman again and it doesn't work he might be done. What's the issue with him trying to get max money out of this deal? Possibly front loading it in case his next Superman is his last? What in WB's recent history says Henry will get the chance to make make more money in the future? All those hit Superman movies?

That's professional risk. No movie can be a guaranteed hit. Look at the actor who played Han Solo (Alden Ehrenreich), maybe he was thinking of getting many roles with increasing paychecks in future after his movie was successful, but look what happened. (Worldwide Box Office: $ 380 mil after 7 weeks.)


Now think if he starts demanding that for future SW movies, he be paid as an A-lister, will Disney oblige ?

 

[Wheels]

I'm not saying WB should pay Henry by the way. This ridiculous number is just a way to pretend he tried to re-sign if true