BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Rapunzel]

With Henry saying watch this space regarding a appearance in Wonder Woman. Does anyone think that maybe she wil see Superman in a dream/vision and be the one to realise he's isn't dead? Maybe she'll go to his grave and it will be empty.

Possible. He could be gone, wandering around with amnesia for awhile, while the JL searches for him. This would keep him in JL without making him part of the main plot at first.

I think this actually sounds like Snyder.

 

[BH/HHH]

Possible. He could be gone, wandering around with amnesia for awhile, while the JL searches for him. This would keep him in JL without making him part of the main plot at first.

I think this actually sounds like Snyder.

Definitely, I love this idea, it will mean Clark would be in the film for longer than many feared aswell.

 

[Legendver2]

Definitely, I love this idea, it will mean Clark would be in the film for longer than many feared aswell.

So basically Superman's version of

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Scott Snyder's Superheavy arc.

 

[Tobias]

With Batman forming the league, precious screentime will need to be devoted to Flash, Cyrborg and Aquaman....Superman's not showing up until the 3rd act, is he?

Excellent points.

Clark dying is a huge issue for me. But I’ve had to accept it. It is what it is.

IMO killing off Clark and removing Kal’s human side is a huge mistake.

But, as Snyder describes JL1, it seems Superman will maybe not return until the 3rd act. So Clark may not be needed in the film.
Even though BvS will make a billion plus it seems and Snyder is safe for JL1, I doubt Snyder returns for JL2. So any plans he may have now for that film would be supplanted by a new director - if that happens. Roven has said JL1 and JL2 are not tied together. Separate films.

This is Phase 1 of the DCEU. The focus is launching new franchises. Per the announcement a couple years ago.

Eventually, IMO, Clark can be brought back. It will be not as easy as it could have been had Clark just been missing, but the immediate Snyder plans seem focused on the JL films - new characters. He could not have said what he did in the EW article, IMO, w/o WB’s OK.
It probably comes down to a limited amount of screentime and how they allocate it in Phase 1 films.

 

[Rapunzel]

Definitely, I love this idea, it will mean Clark would be in the film for longer than many feared aswell.

Clark with amnesia would be interesting. He could use his powers and help others without being Superman. It would show his innate goodness. Plus, it gives urgency to Bruce uniting the JL...if he and Diana are aware Supes is out there with no memory, they'd be desperate to find him before the "he" of Lex's message gets to him.

In fact, this also goes along well with Flash's warning. Lois is the key to reviving his memory. Bruce was right, always right about Clark not being really dead? They should fear him if he doesn't get his memory doesn't come back? So Bruce has to find the JL to deal with it? Makes sense.

OMG-- what if that evil supes from the knightmare is one who had amnesia and was manipulated by Darkseid as result!

It all fits!

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

im sooooo not excited about a possible amnesia arc. id rather they froze him and sent him into space.

 

[BH/HHH]

Clark with amnesia would be interesting. He could use his powers and help others without being Superman. It would show his innate goodness. Plus, it gives urgency to Bruce uniting the JL...if he and Diana are aware Supes is out there with no memory, they'd be desperate to find him before the "he" of Lex's message gets to him.

In fact, this also goes along well with Flash's warning. Lois is the key to reviving his memory. Bruce was right, always right about Clark not being really dead? They should fear him if he doesn't get his memory doesn't come back? So Bruce has to find the JL to deal with it? Makes sense.

OMG-- what if that evil supes from the knightmare is one who had amnesia and was manipulated by Darkseid as result!

It all fits!

Mind blown t:

 

[MrsKent26]

I still don't want evil supes. It would be different if we'd already gotten a hefty dose of regular supes, but...we haven't.

 

[-Arya-]

I still don't want evil supes. It would be different if we'd already gotten a hefty dose of regular supes, but...we haven't.

Exactly. There hasn't been enough of a contrast. The evil version will just be one level above what Superman was like in MOS and BvS.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Now

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a depowered Supes such as:

now that I could probably get behind, it aint the powers its the man. And knowing Snyder he'll through in the guns too.

But hopefully not the hair.

 

[Rapunzel]

I still don't want evil supes. It would be different if we'd already gotten a hefty dose of regular supes, but...we haven't.

I think an amnesia storyline might be a way around evil Supes. I'm with you that Supes needs to be all good from now on.

 

[MrsKent26]

I apologize for the following because it's a bit of an over-dramatic rant, but I hope I'm entitled to one of those every now and then....

As a Supes fan, these are frustrating times. We're getting some supes (and any supes is better than none), but it's still not satisfying.

So far we've got:

MOS: Unsure, alienated wanderer Clark (Fair enough; I can accept this given that it's an origin story).

BvS: Still unsure Supes after two years who is under fire from the public and who fights batman. Then becomes dead (!) supes.

JL: Possibility of evil/mind-controlled/amnesiac supes...after (!) we've already dealt with dead (!) supes for some portion of the movie.

There's been some gimmick, some hook every time and perhaps this is what Snyder and Co think needs to happen to make superman interesting. But it's a fallacy! If they give us regular supes and do it right, the audience will have a tear in their eye because they're filled with hope for mankind. It doesn't even need to change the tone of the movie! It will just add some different emotions to the roller coaster! They just need to give us regular supes! Just some goddamned regular supes!

 

[Rapunzel]

I'm not gonna disagree, Mrs. K.

 

[Tony Gunk]

I apologize for the following because it's a bit of an over-dramatic rant, but I hope I'm entitled to one of those every now and then....

As a Supes fan, these are frustrating times. We're getting some supes (and any supes is better than none), but it's still not satisfying.

So far we've got:

MOS: Unsure, alienated wanderer Clark (Fair enough; I can accept this given that it's an origin story).

BvS: Still unsure Supes after two years who is under fire from the public and who fights batman. Then becomes dead (!) supes.

JL: Possibility of evil/mind-controlled/amnesiac supes...after (!) we've already dealt with dead (!) supes for some portion of the movie.

There's been some gimmick, some hook every time and perhaps this is what Snyder and Co think needs to happen to make superman interesting. But it's a fallacy! If they give us regular supes and do it right, the audience will have a tear in their eye because they're filled with hope for mankind. It doesn't even need to change the tone of the movie! It will just add some different emotions to the roller coaster! They just need to give us regular supes! Just some goddamned regular supes!

This.

It's not good enough. I feel like Snyder talks a good game, but he doesn't get this characters in the way he suggests he does.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, I don't think Snyder even deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt that he'll do something good with Superman in JL.

The guy's a ****ing hack. He doesn't know jack ****. You could throw all of Superman's best comic book arcs at his face as a means of helping him understand the character and he'd still look as lost as a ****ing troll.

Guys, I hate to say this but it's the ugly truth. Don't expect anything good from Snyder regarding Superman. He doesn't deserve it.

 

[MrsKent26]

What makes it worse is that we have the perfect actor! Finally! He looks ripped from the comics, is dedicated to work-outs and researches the character. He can act when given the chance. And Yet! He is given very little to do and may not get much to do in JL.

A hefty chunk of bologna, this is!

 

[Tony Gunk]

For a guy who's buzzword is "mythology" he certainly overlooks the mythology a hell of a lot

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Actually, I think he does get him. He just doesn't really like him as he exists in canon, so his version of him is a very different one that suits his particular taste in superheroes. (I.E. violent)

 

[MrsKent26]

To be fair (and mildly less obnoxious, lol) to Zack, he doesn't **** it up all the time. He (and Henry) have given us some good superman moments. He just needs to drop the gimmicks and oddities now and just give us some straightforward inspiring superman.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I apologize for the following because it's a bit of an over-dramatic rant, but I hope I'm entitled to one of those every now and then....

As a Supes fan, these are frustrating times. We're getting some supes (and any supes is better than none), but it's still not satisfying.

So far we've got:

MOS: Unsure, alienated wanderer Clark (Fair enough; I can accept this given that it's an origin story).

BvS: Still unsure Supes after two years who is under fire from the public and who fights batman. Then becomes dead (!) supes.

JL: Possibility of evil/mind-controlled/amnesiac supes...after (!) we've already dealt with dead (!) supes for some portion of the movie.

There's been some gimmick, some hook every time and perhaps this is what Snyder and Co think needs to happen to make superman interesting. But it's a fallacy! If they give us regular supes and do it right, the audience will have a tear in their eye because they're filled with hope for mankind. It doesn't even need to change the tone of the movie! It will just add some different emotions to the roller coaster! They just need to give us regular supes! Just some goddamned regular supes!

Pretty much agreed. How long can he be so introspective? Felt he should have found where he stands with the world after 2 years of being at it. This is why I felt it was a regression from MoS. And the ending did not help.

 

[MrsKent26]

Actually, I think he does get him. He just doesn't really like him as he exists in canon, so his version of him is a very different one that suits his particular taste in superheroes. (I.E. violent)

This is probably true. He seems to like darker heroes and as a result, does much better with translating them to the screen.

 

[Tony Gunk]

When he talks to Swanwick at the end of MOS, that was total Superman (minus needlessly wrecking a multi million dollar drone).

Where was that Superman in this film? He's had his chance anyway, and he doesn't deserve another in my opinion.

 

[Herolee10]

I brought this up in the JL thread, but honestly, we would be VERY LUCKY if Cavill's Superman even got a similar screen time to what Vision got in AOU.

 

[Rapunzel]

Well, I haven't given up hope yet, but I understand those that have. I'm trusting in WB to see the response to BvS and reign Snyder in.

Herolee, I know you were saying you wished you were as optimistic. I'm looking at the JL concept art and trying to maintain faith.

The saddest part of this whole film is the dedicated fans lose that faith. I hope Snyder realizes that making fans lose faith in his abilities is bad thing.

 

[Tony Gunk]

How crap was the flying in BvS?

Really really crap, just a little digital red and blue blur most of the time. Seeing him fly is one of the greatest parts of displaying this characters powers.

"Nah forget practical effects I haven't got time for Superman it's Batman that counts here, practical effects take time, just have Henry stand on the ground and we'll add it all in post production and do the crash landing 20 times"