BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 6

[KRYPTON INC.]

Clark doesn't have to put on an act as long as the only person on the DP staff that he's interacting with in close proximity to on a regular basis is Lois. Now, if he's stopping by the office EVERY time Clark's away from his desk and having casual convos with Perry and Jenny, then... yeah he'd need to work on some kind of persona. Personally I've always thought Perry and Jimmy should know the secret as well in the comics, and pretty much any version. Them being idiots doesn't add anything and them knowing adds alot, just like with Lois. Besides, even as a kid the thinking behind it makes little practical sense. "I can't let the people closest to me know I'm Superman because it would put their lives in danger." Ok Supes. So I guess that means your friends as Superman are totally different than your friends as Clark Kent, right? "Actually, no... All the same people that know me as Clark are the same people I am always around as when I am needed as Superman." So... You're keeping this a secret isn't keeping them out of harms way at all, is it?

 

[Smallville13]

This just won't do when interacting with Lex. It might just be cleaner to just have Perry know. Heck even Lombard and Jenny. Seriously.

I think it's better to have him be a bit of a loner in the office. Wear loose non-fitting clothing to hide his physic and make him appear out of shape.

But instead it appears Snyders decided to make him the confident, out-going Byrne Clark Kent. But it's just going to be a harder sell over the Silver-Age/Reeve/All-Star version.

 

[Glassjaw]

Honestly I don't think they settled on any type of Clark Kent persona. Goyer admitted they didn't know how to make that part of the character work in their more realistic and grounded approach to the mythos. I do think for the sequel though they'll play it pretty traditionally.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

We may get what amounts to an amalgam. Clark may not be the dry witted journalist of George Reeves/John Byrne's run, but that doesn't mean he has to be overly mannered and pratfalling in the way Chris Reeve did it either. I've said this before, but in MOS I think the answer to what Clark will be like is in Lois' description of him when she is tracking down the "urban legends" to find her Arctic savior. "A ghost... A cypher that never quite fit in..." Clark at the DP may just be that guy in the background that does his work, does it well even, but doesn't really register to people. He's not that guy everybody pals around with, or even knows that much about on the the job. We've all had people like that in our experience. They're like the extras in God's movie about your life, ya'know?

 

[Smallville13]

A really simple thing they can do, which I was surprised they didn't is have his fringe down over his forehead. That makes a big difference in one's appearance. Why they gave him the same hairstyle as his Superman I don't know.

Slicked back windswept hair for Supes. Messy, Harry Potter-esque hair for Clark Kent. Makes sense to me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Slicked back windswept hair for Supes. Messy, Harry Potter-esque hair for Clark Kent. Makes sense to me.

I've actually always thought of it in the reverse, the way Byrne had it. It's a slicked back do as Clark, and it's wind tossed and a little wild as Supes, what with all the mach 6 comings and goings.

 

[Smallville13]

I've actually always thought of it in the reverse, the way Byrne had it. It's a slicked back do as Clark, and it's wind tossed and a little wild as Supes, what with all the mach 6 comings and goings.

Well since he flys in a straight line at those speeds with wind precipitation and whatnot it kinda makes sense that it would be slicked back the way it is in MOS.

And the scruffy unkept CK hair makes sense for someone who isn't trying to be presentable and just recedes into the background of the office.

 

[MrsKent26]

I don't think he did have the same hair as both Clark and Supes in the movie. His hair was looser as Clark and totally slicked as superman.

I'd prefer they keep the curly "Harry Potter" hair for Clark and give Supes a slightly slicked by the wind look with the forehead curl.

 

[Smallville13]

I don't think he did have the same hair as both Clark and Supes in the movie. His hair was looser as Clark and totally slicked as superman.

I'd prefer they keep the curly "Harry Potter" hair for Clark and give Supes a slightly slicked by the wind look with the forehead curl.

Agreed. But I think he needs to cover his forehead and hairline with his fringe a bit more as Clark than in your avvy.

Cavill's gonna have to do a bit of acting to differentiate the two as well. Have Superman have the strong authoritative demeanor, and Clark, well, just be more subtle.

I definitely think the scenes of Clark and Lois interacting in the office have the potential to be alot of fun. So I hope the capitalize on those.

 

[MrsKent26]

Yeah, I hope there is an obvious difference in how Cavill acts as Clark and as superman. Seeing that contrast is the fun part of characters with two identities. Lois and Clark scenes could definitely add fun too. They're both easy ways to add the levity people seem to need without cheesing up the more serious moments of the movie with forced humor.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'd say Henry gave us some differences that are subtle but apparent in MOS. The way he spoke with Martha, and Lois was distinctive from the general manner and voice used when talking to either General Zod or General Swanwick/Col. Hardy. Now, for the mass audience will what he did there fly so as to give the viewing public a thread to latch onto to support their suspension of disbelief? We'll have to see the film to make that judgement.

 

[PacificBoy]

I don't think he did have the same hair as both Clark and Supes in the movie. His hair was looser as Clark and totally slicked as superman.

I'd prefer they keep the curly "Harry Potter" hair for Clark and give Supes a slightly slicked by the wind look with the forehead curl.

Yeah, the curly, slightly mussed-up hair would make Cavil's Clark more boyish. Keep the fashion sensibility we saw as well at the end of MoS. Slightly square but presentable. Geekish but in no way geek-chic.

BvS will probably build on the glimpse of that Clark we saw, someone smart, reliable and warm who happens to be easy on the eye, with a who's that? Oh that's just Clark vibe, a regular person. I think Smallville went in this direction?

And I think this portrayal of Clark will be closer to Clark's real personality. Unlike S:TM where Superman seemed to be Clark's truer self, and Clark the bumbling reporter more of a disguise.

 

[Superman_200]

I did like the idea that they used in the Man of Steel that anyone who has seen him as Superman up-close would recognize him as Clark Kent, like Lois and the military, etc. But that as Superman he barely lets people get a close view of him. Anyone who would read the Daily Planet though and saw a picture of him would recognize him, but then again today, now many people get their news from a newspaper anymore. Probably even less know what the reporters look like since many may not even have their photos in an article.

 

[Brian Braddock]

See, this discussion emphasizes for me why Dean Cains Clark [you know, the one that everyone seemingly loves because hes so cool, which irks me no end] didnt work as he did absolutely nothing to differenciate his Clark and his Superman.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Bryan Singer made a pretty good physical distinction between Clark and Superman, using a mixture of Birthright and Silver Age.

I imagine Snyder will go for Birthright and New 52 inspired over John Byrne's Superman with glasses that they showed at the end of Man of Steel.

 

[RadioSha]

I'm down with cameraman-Clark

Always behind the camera and laying low.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

For the record, I didn't love Dean Cain's Clark Kent or Superman. His performance was fine for Moonlighting: The Superhero Edition I suppose but it's not something I want from a big screen Superman. On the other hand I just don't dig Chris Reeve's cartoonish Kent, I know that's sacrilege but it's how I feel, I think that interpretation has dated very, very poorly.

Meh I didn't care for the updated version of that performance in Superman Returns either but then again I cared for very little about that film in general. I'd like Cavill-Kent to strive to be unassuming and sure maybe a little dorky but no cartoonish ********.

 

[Gu3ree]

I think it's a fad when everybody says STM or Chris Reeve's Clark Kent is dated and doesn't work in a modern world. I disagree. I think Christopher Reeve, out of all of them, was the only one who was able to convince me that that whole glasses disguise thing works, albeit it's not just the glasses, but the persona, and Christopher Reeve portrayed that character perfectly.

I think people are trying too hard to find reasons to why Reeve's Kent performance is not relevant.

Cain made no change at all when he transformed himself from Superman to Clark, other than his hair and his not-so-able-to-fool-people-enough-eye glasses. You could see those eyes through his glasses. How could no one recognize him? He doesn't even change his personality. And no one suspects him? Except Lois eventually.

No one's going to believe just any man, say Clark, especially Reeve's Clark, an awkward, shy reporter who works at the Daily Planet could be Superman. He is the furthest thing from Superman. When people see Superman, they only see him as a man in an alien suit with powers not of this world, they don't think he has a secret identity because Superman doesn't wear a mask. All they see when they approach Superman, is Superman.

Simplicity actually works.

 

[SuperWig]

There is no such thing as a shy reporter.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^I was the school news reporter and I was/ am shy.

 

[SuperWig]

^I was the school news reporter and I was/ am shy.

Gotcha, but you didn't work for a major news station/newspaper.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think it's a fad when everybody says STM or Chris Reeve's Clark Kent is dated and doesn't work in a modern world. I disagree. I think Christopher Reeve, out of all of them, was the only one who was able to convince me that that whole glasses disguise thing works, albeit it's not just the glasses, but the persona, and Christopher Reeve portrated that character perfectly.

I think people are trying too hard to find reasons to why Reeve's Kent performance is not relevant.

Cain made no change at all when he tranformed himself from Superman to Clark, other than his hair and not-able-to-fool-people-enough with those glasses. You could see those eye through his glasses. How could no one recognize him? He doesn't even change his personality.

No one's going to believe just any man, say Clark, especially Reeve's Clark, an awkward, shy reporter who works at the Daily Planet could be Superman. He is the furthest thing from Superman. When people see Superman, they only see him as a man in an alien suit with powers not of this world, they don't think he has a secret identity because Superman doesn't wear a mask. All they see when they approach Superman, is Superman.

Simplicity actually works.

This is EXACTLY how I've always saw it.

 

[MrsKent26]

I think it's a fad when everybody says STM or Chris Reeve's Clark Kent is dated and doesn't work in a modern world. I disagree. I think Christopher Reeve, out of all of them, was the only one who was able to convince me that that whole glasses disguise thing works, albeit it's not just the glasses, but the persona, and Christopher Reeve portrated that character perfectly.

I think people are trying too hard to find reasons to why Reeve's Kent performance is not relevant.

Cain made no change at all when he tranformed himself from Superman to Clark, other than his hair and not-able-to-fool-people-enough with those glasses. You could see those eye through his glasses. How could no one recognize him? He doesn't even change his personality.

No one's going to believe just any man, say Clark, especially Reeve's Clark, an awkward, shy reporter who works at the Daily Planet could be Superman. He is the furthest thing from Superman. When people see Superman, they only see him as a man in an alien suit with powers not of this world, they don't think he has a secret identity because Superman doesn't wear a mask. All they see when they approach Superman, is Superman.

Simplicity actually works.

Eh...

Not everyone wants to be part of some fad. Some people actually think Reeve's Clark is dated. Me included. I would be really, really disappointed if we got that over-the-top goofy Clark. No thanks. I want there to be a difference, but there's no need to go that far. People would definitely be looking at a buffoon like that. Simplicity does work, but Reeve's Clark was not that. Simple would be a shy, somewhat awkward Clark, not slap-stick Clark. Not to mention, if Clark is that ridiculous it will get in the way of him doing meaningful reporting as Clark, which is something I've always wanted (but have never gotten) in live-action.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My opinion isn't a fad. You are free to disagree with it of course but don't call it something that it isn't. I don't like cartoonish (IMHO DATED) baffoon Kent and you do and that's cool because opinions make the world go round or whatever sappy ********.

 

[chamber-music]

A slap stick guy bumbling all over the place will end up on youtube within 5 minutes in the 21st century.

reporter Clark persona could work just fine as simple mild mannered country guy who is a fish out of water in the big city but good at his job.