Here We Go Again Part 3: New Welling As Superman Rumors?

[SuperNoob]

Take it for what it's worth:

Snyder Looking for an Older Superman?

http://www.supermanofsteel.com/2010/10/21/snyder-looking-for-an-older-superman/

Snyder looking for an older Superman?

Posted by Jared On October - 21 - 2010



Rumor has it, the next Superman could be a middle aged man. Armie Hammer, who has been put among fans' favorites to play the superhero, claims that he heard the filmmakers are looking for an actor at his 35-40 to fill in the role.
"You know what's funny? I did talk to my people recently about that for the first time," "The Social Network" actor says when asked by New York Magazine's Vulture if he has approached director Zack Snyder about the possibility of him tackling the title character.
"And I think they're going a little older with Superman. I hear they're going 35-40."

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If what Hammer learns about the Superman qualification is indeed the truth, then Jon Hamm who was linked to the role might be still in the contention. The "Mad Men" actor has previously put himself out of the contenders list, thinking that he is too old to play Superman. "I don't know, I think unless Superman's power was the power of being really old… I maybe aged out of that competition," he stated.
The new casting scoop, however, is in contrary to what Snyder hinted that movie will "focus on early days of Superman." Despite the "early days" focus, screenwriter David Goyer claimed the upcoming will not be an origin story. Another report said it will see Clark Kent traveling the world and wondering if he should even become Superman.
The upcoming Superman movie project, which is tentatively called "The Man of Steel", has Christopher Nolan serving as executive producer. Warner Bros. Pictures is expected to release it within 2012 because they stand to lose certain rights to the iconic character in 2013.
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[Ghostvirus]

If Snyder is looking for an older Supes. I think the dude who plays Hodges on Criminal Minds would be perfect for Superman.

 

[Prison Mike]

My Jon Hamm hopes have risen just a bit now. t:

 

[Hush]

I love Jon Hamm more than a man should but by God he is all wrong for Superman. Plus Welling is 33 this year and by the time this movie came out he would be 35 so technically he is still in contention.

 

[Webhead2006]

Noob we were talking about the older supes rumor past two pages. The main thing is we don't really know what is true or not yet. To many conflicting reports right now.

 

[Zack Snyder]

How do we know Hammer didn't just read that rumor of age off the internet? The past 4-5 months all we have heard is a 35+ Superman. So maybe it isn't from a direct source, but just the buzz he read online.

There are a lot of conflicting reports that happen from the slightest news. People want news, and some of it is fabricated.

For example...

When deadline reported Nolan. Right after, unofficial story reports surfaced. Then the logical assumption of considering his brother to direct. Well, we find out even after internet news agents said Snyder would NEVER be considered, he will direct.

After Snyder is announced, new unofficial reports on the story (Zod) come out. It could or could not be true. Leading up to this point, the rumor was an older actor. Then supposedly Snyder said the film would focus on year 1 and 2 of Clark's career as he decides if he should become Superman.

So some of the official news is not matching with the rumors we have been reading leading up to it imo.

We don't know for fact what the storyline is, what age Superman will look, or what casting will take place. Have to do the wait and see, cause all the internet reports start conflicting and making a mess of news for this project.

As for Hamm? For all we know he was not on the radar... UNTIL the rumors on the net started. Once the rumor built, it is possible he was put on the radar. If people don't want him for Supes, they better start talking cause sometimes the rumor or fiction, can be made into a reality.

Nature of the internet.

 

[Prison Mike]

You of all people should know...Zack Snyder.

 

[Zack Snyder]

LOL I'm just a fan of his work, obviously not the real thing. The real Snyder wouldn't come to a MB and discuss Superman. The WB would throw him in a wagon and escort him to some underground prison or something

 

[Prison Mike]

I figured as much.

 

[JackMercy]

LOL I'm just a fan of his work, obviously not the real thing. The real Snyder wouldn't come to a MB and discuss Superman. The WB would throw him in a wagon and escort him to some underground prison or something

There's one sure-fire way to pick out someone who works at/with Warner Bros., and one who does not:

No one in the industry refers to the studio as "The WB" -- that is the name of the defunct television network...not the motion picture studio!

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Yeah, you bring up what is probably the essence of the issue: money.

Will Warner Brothers think that a movie with Tom Welling will make more money than with someone else in the role?

If that answer to that is 'yes' than it doesn't matter what a pro-Routh/pro-SR faction thinks, they will do all they can do to get Tom into tights.

Whether or not you're a Superman fan or a Tom Welling fan or just a film fan, show business is just that: a business. They will do whatever they think will make them the most money.

The legal tussles with the Schuster/Siegel heirs may mean they only got one more chance to make some money with this franchise before they could potentially lose the rights.

If they don't make money with this film, the rights will revert and be up for grabs if the heirs think WB is doing a crap job.

However, if they make money and turn out a film the heirs are proud of, it's not only good for the pocket book, WB's will be more likely to be in a better place in negotiations (if it comes to that) to keep the rights when they do go out for bids.

Exactly. They only got one chance to get it right so I'm not so sure they will be taking any more chances. With Welling they get a pretty good safety net.
But if they DO lose the rights, I'm almost betting that Marvel will do anything in their power to take control of Superman.
If that happens, things can take an interesting turn. Marvel knows the key to success of their characters is to make them relatable to their public, which is where Superman is most successful, when he's portrayed like the most human of us all despite his Godlike traits.
This is where Tom Welling and Smallville succeeds where so many others have failed. If Marvel takes control of the movie rights there's not a doubt in my mind, that that is the Superman they will gonna be making.
And their movie division is not controlled by corporate executives who know nothing like Warner, they are controled by the comic book division. In fact, Jeph Loeb is in a huge position of power in the live action adaptation department at Marvel. You know, the guy who said "Tom is my Superman !" ;0)

 

[Zorex]

There's one sure-fire way to pick out someone who works at/with Warner Bros., and one who does not:

No one in the industry refers to the studio as "The WB" -- that is the name of the defunct television network...not the motion picture studio!

Do...

Do we call them Warners?




Jack, where've you been? It feels like it's been ages.

 

[7heBoss]

I am really starting to think that Welling has a legitimate shot at this role. I wouldn't complain, I like Welling. However I wonder how everyone else would react.

 

[Karelia]

I am really starting to think that Welling has a legitimate shot at this role. I wouldn't complain, I like Welling. However I wonder how everyone else would react.

Well, Welling fans would be over-joyous, that's for sure. t: Most Routh fans wouldn't believe they picked Welling over Routh, or at least that's how I think they would. Not sure about Hamm fans.

But it wouldn't matter. If the trailer looks sweet, I'm thinking most people wouldn't care at that point and would go see it. t:

 

[triplet]

Exactly. They only got one chance to get it right so I'm not so sure they will be taking any more chances. With Welling they get a pretty good safety net.
But if they DO lose the rights, I'm almost betting that Marvel will do anything in their power to take control of Superman.
If that happens, things can take an interesting turn. Marvel knows the key to success of their characters is to make them relatable to their public, which is where Superman is most successful, when he's portrayed like the most human of us all despite his Godlike traits.
This is where Tom Welling and Smallville succeeds where so many others have failed. If Marvel takes control of the movie rights there's not a doubt in my mind, that that is the Superman they will gonna be making.
And their movie division is not controlled by corporate executives who know nothing like Warner, they are controled by the comic book division. In fact, Jeph Loeb is in a huge position of power in the live action adaptation department at Marvel. You know, the guy who said "Tom is my Superman !" ;0)

I don't know if Marvel would get the rights... Disney owns them and ABC, but if they do then it would be interesting to see what kind of ancilliary projects they put out. (New animated series, movies, etc.)

And DC Entertainment has changed how they develop properties, bringing Geoff Johns on board to be the Creative Lead or chairman or whatever his title is.

So, things I think have changed.

 

[Karelia]

It would just be weird if Superman was Marvel. How would DC explain their main hero is gone? Going to "another dimension" and never coming back?

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

I don't know if Marvel would get the rights... Disney owns them and ABC, but if they do then it would be interesting to see what kind of ancilliary projects they put out. (New animated series, movies, etc.)

And DC Entertainment has changed how they develop properties, bringing Geoff Johns on board to be the Creative Lead or chairman or whatever his title is.

So, things I think have changed.

I know they've changed but it's still pretty much the executives at Warner who are in charge. You can't really compare to what Marvel has done with their Marvel Studios and movies like Iron Man 1 & 2, The Incredible Hulk and what's to come with Thor, Captain America and Avengers.

 

[SrsBsns]

My brain can't even comprehend what it would be like if Marvel was the publisher of Superman.

 

[epc11223]

first and foremost, i'm a superman fan. if he were to go to marvel; i could see dc having superman save the day in some super heroic way. or he would split into two different people where the parts that are owned by the siegles goes off and the parts that are owned by dc would stay there. so like captain marvel, we could see two different versions of superman, and ya know what; i'll be getting more marvel lol. i go where superman goes lol.

 

[Zack Snyder]

Well, Welling fans would be over-joyous, that's for sure. t: Most Routh fans wouldn't believe they picked Welling over Routh, or at least that's how I think they would. Not sure about Hamm fans.

But it wouldn't matter. If the trailer looks sweet, I'm thinking most people wouldn't care at that point and would go see it. t:

Right now the statements do say he will look at Routh closely. He did not mention Welling however. I would guess that is just a respect thing since Routh is the last to play a live action Superman, and ultimately we will get a new actor.

 

[Karelia]

Right now the statements do say he will look at Routh closely. He did not mention Welling however. I would guess that is just a respect thing since Routh is the last to play a live action Superman, and ultimately we will get a new actor.

The thing is, the source of that news has been really unreliable (Routh news, that is), so I'm not buying into it. A lot of things that we are hearing are not adding up correctly for this film. I'm hoping Snyder speaks up about all of this, if he's allowed to. t:

 

[SpideyVille]

He's not allowed to:

You’re directing the next Superman movie: that’s quite a gig. How do you feel about taking on the superhero that everyone loves?
It’s very exciting. Do I feel responsible? Look, as a fan, I want to make it awesome, so in that way I feel responsible. There’s an amazing film in there to be had, and I’m excited to get at it.

You’re working with Christopher Nolan, director of the last two Batman films (and the next one). Is there a conflict of interest there? Batman v Superman?
He is a generous and amazing talent and, as a producer, super-supportive even in just the few weeks we’ve been talking about it.

What can you say about it at this stage?
Nothing. It’s very early in the process and it’s going to be famously guarded. So there’s very little to be said other than I’m a huge fan and I’m excited to get started on this.

It’s going to be a reboot of the franchise…
In the sense that it doesn’t really owe anything to what’s happened before cinematically.

And apparently you’re getting $175 million to play with…
I have no idea. Nobody has said anything to me about that, but I’ll quote that at them. It’s a good place to start in the negotiations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...32/Zack-Snyder-talking-owls-and-Superman.html

 

[LadyVader]

Mwhahaha. Interesting piece of trivia I found on imdb's page for Lois and Clark.

Gerard Christopher auditioned for the role of Clark Kent/Superman, and was chosen by the casting director. However, when the casting director subsequently read Christopher's resume and discovered that he had previously starred as Clark Kent/ Superboy in "Superboy" (1988), he immediately dismissed Christopher. According to Christopher, the man told him, "you've done this already!"

So I guess all the hoopla with Brandon Routh and Tom Welling is not really that unheard of, in the history of Superman incarnations. Gotta admire Gerard Christopher for his balls though.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea its just hard to know what is what. To wb or nolans/snyder reveal official details. But since we know roughly to make winter 2012 release filming has to start no later then july next summer. Casting, studio/location settings, and construction/costuming all will have to be starting up in the next 4-5 months. We have to be getting some solid news no later then the end of the yr.


As for the copyrights, really from what i gather the heirs only have the name of lois and clark, them as reporters, and the 30s powers/suit, jorel/lara and some krypton stuff. They really cant do much with that. Since wb owns/controls almost all the other big elements of the character. Plus i am sure no other comic company would want to try and remake the character all over again. Cause it would never be as big or what it has become in the past 70 yrs now.

 

[storyteller]

Honestly Dc owns like 70% of Superman. They have the stories and most of the character everyone loves. Dc can just rename their character and market the new Superman for years.

Marvel wouldn't buy the Superman rights. They would have some character names but wouldn't have any of the history that would make comic book readers migrate over. Hell they have the damn Sentry if they want a Superman.

If the Sentry can have a big S then DC can just update Supermans suit and not have to pay any rights. No the Siegels did this for money and will sell the rights back to DC. Or Dc will just cut them out by updating Superman.