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[Webber]

I hope that nuke busts open some certain somebodys from the phantom zone in the future.

 

[SuperNewGuy]

Isn't your entire argument predicated on the fact that Lex WON'T know who Clark is in the future?
How can you know that? Show hasn't run its course yet. They're creating their own cannon for the Superman mythos, so theoretically he could do exactly what you assume he should be able to do. I once again get to tell you to WAIT to be shown the full picture before going off.

So previous ownage withdrawn…new pwning initiated

You're right, I was assuming the same Superman that I know from the movies. I thought about it however, and as you can see in my last post, I came up with a new theory of how Clark's dual identity will only be a semi-secret - everyone in Smallville including Lex knows Superman is Clark and it's only a secret to the rest of the world. Others here have probably thought of this, but I'm pretty new to the Smallville board and haven't done much backreading so sorry if I'm repeating something. I really think this is where the writers are going, it would explain everything. So yes, previous ownage should be withdrawn, but I was wrong in assuming the "old" Superman so new
owning is justified there. But please, I'd much rather be "owned" than "pwned".......that word is becoming WAY to cliche'!

 

[avidreader]

It also makes the story more credible if there are some people who do realise that Clark is Superman.

How many times have we watched a Superman TV show, movie, read a comic and thought are these people absolutely stupid that they cant put two and two together. A pair of glasses doesnt make that much difference.

So I think the Smallville writers will take the route that some people, Lex, Lois, people from Smallville will know that Clark Kent is Superman. And each of them for their own reasons will keep it secret.

 

[LostSon88]

It also makes the story more credible if there are some people who do realise that Clark is Superman.

How many times have we watched a Superman TV show, movie, read a comic and thought are these people absolutely stupid that they cant put two and two together. A pair of glasses doesnt make that much difference.

So I think the Smallville writers will take the route that some people, Lex, Lois, people from Smallville will know that Clark Kent is Superman. And each of them for their own reasons will keep it secret.

Lex: May keep it to himself in a sort of "plausable deniably" way, as in he knows the truth, but refuses to accept it. Primarily because Clark IS NOT that cunning, and Lex refuses to believe that he was so blind to the obvious during his years in Smallville...Lex's EGO will prevent him from seeing the truth.

That's the only way I see Lex knowing and not telling anyone.

Lois: Easy...take the Chloe route and just play dumb until he one day tells her himself.

Smallville Population: knows the truth but keep it on the DL because well...it's Superman! I mean aside, from the meteor freaks and psychos, the towns pretty much a laid back community...

 

[SuperNewGuy]

I'm really liking this idea of Lex knowing that Superman is Clark the more I think about it. In the Smallville world, Lex is becoming enemies with CLARK, not Superman. Lex is angry with Clark for not being honest with him, yet at the same time he owes his life to Clark for saving him. Maybe he learns the truth about Clark, but when Clark emerges as Superman perhaps Lex will keep his secret out of respect for Clark, being that they were once friends and that he did save his life. But the respect for Clark ends there, other than that they're enemies. It all makes perfect sense this way, I can't wait too see how this turns out.

 

[avidreader]

Lex: May keep it to himself in a sort of "plausable deniably" way, as in he knows the truth, but refuses to accept it. Primarily because Clark IS NOT that cunning, and Lex refuses to believe that he was so blind to the obvious during his years in Smallville...Lex's EGO will prevent him from seeing the truth.

That's the only way I see Lex knowing and not telling anyone.

He may also, as Lex said when interpreting the legend of Sageeth and Naman, think its his responsibility to keep Superman in check. He wont want to share this information with anyone else as he wants to appear to be the hero.

 

[muscaremy]

i sorta agree with people of smallville knowing he supes and not saying anything.... i mean think bout it. if a hero was from your small town and you knew would you say something that could hurt or kill him ....... noooooo.... least i wouldnt

 

[LostSon88]

He may also, as Lex said when interpreting the legend of Sageeth and Naman, think its his responsibility to keep Superman in check. He wont want to share this information with anyone else as he wants to appear to be the hero.

Another good point.

 

[triplet]

I think Lex will know eventually, as will Lois... neither of them are stupid, after all.

they gave us a pretty good indication of what Lois' reasoning for not letting Clark know she knows... She'll let him keep his secrets until he is ready to spill them.

Then she'll say something snarky like "You didn't think you could keep a secret that big from me, now did you, Smallville? All your quick exits and lame excuses haven't been exactly subtle... And how long did you think it would take me to figure things out after I realized that 'Clark Kent' and Superman were never in the same room despite all your scoops on Big Blue? How stupid did you think I was? And today on Clark Kent discovers: A different hair style and thick framed glasses aren't really THAT great a disguise..."

As for Lex, I could see him knowing and not letting Clark know he knows because of some reason. Maybe he doesn't want to admit he's been fooled by a teenage boy all this time. Or maybe Clark will know that Lex is aware of who he is and them pretending to not know each other later is part of some game....

 

[Descendant]

Didn't mean to offend you or anything. I was just curious what your thought's on it were. I wanted you to explain what you meant by it. Yes, I am a geek also, with a daughter that I hope to raise as a Supes geek too. People on this board will tell you I don't make fun of others ideas in a serious manner, if I do I am completely joking. If you took it as me seriously making fun of you I am sorry.

Most of us should be too old for silliness like that.

That's cool, i guess the wording could sound different. I didn't think that you were wanting me to explain, I just thought you were mocking my answer, but sorry about the confusion. I've just dealt with people who are like that but you are right, most of us are too old for silliness like that.

 

[triplet]

If anyone wants to read my review, you can see it here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddenreview.htm

 

[darkzombiemutt]

Isnt Gabriel also angel of mercy or judgement? And Smallville's Gabriel is putting the meteor freaks out of thier misery.

 

[happy]

yay! superman got laid!

 

[mellyM]

If anyone wants to read my review, you can see it here:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/hiddenreview.htm

Good review, I don't quite understand the reaction to Clark looking up at Lana on his death bed, it was a beautiful nod to how the episode began, and he was probably hopped up on painkillers and a haze, lol..but everyone always sees things differently.
hmm..too bad I'm at work, or I'd watch it again

 

[happy]

Good review, I don't quite understand the reaction to Clark looking up at Lana on his death bed, it was a beautiful nod to how the episode began, and he was probably hopped up on painkillers and a haze, lol..but everyone always sees things differently.
hmm..too bad I'm at work, or I'd watch it again

i don't think drugs had anything to do with it -- it was the nerves reacting to his body going into cardiac arrest.

 

[mellyM]

i don't think drugs had anything to do with it -- it was the nerves reacting to his body going into cardiac arrest.

I was only kidding, lol...I know people's bodies react in odd ways before they die. What a powerful scene though

 

[triplet]

Good review, I don't quite understand the reaction to Clark looking up at Lana on his death bed, it was a beautiful nod to how the episode began, and he was probably hopped up on painkillers and a haze, lol..but everyone always sees things differently.
hmm..too bad I'm at work, or I'd watch it again

I think part of the problem was he looked so healthy... I mean. He was losing blood, he should have been pale and sweaty (in shock) but there he was looking as gorgeous (and as healthy) as ever.

Maybe it wouldn't have bothered me as much if he looked like he was dying and to me he just didn't.

It just bothered me, but I've gotten some feedback to indicate that I'm pretty nearly alone in thinking that.



It did pull me out of the scene a bit for a moment or two, which kinda ruined the effect of KK's little heart wrenching speech. That is why I spent as much time on it as I did in the review.

Although I must say when his eyes closed again I was right back in there... It was hard to see him die even though I knew he'd be brought back.

I watched it again last night and it didn't bother me nearly as much...

 

[avidreader]

Well I also have to disagree with you on that point Triplet, although the rest of your review was good. Imagine if you hadnt read the spoilers, seen the trailers, Lana just tells him how much he means to her, you would think that he was waking up from his unconsciousness by her words.

And then bang he flatlines.

I think possibly what you were seeing was bad makeup. He skin colour probably should have looked paler and his lips should have been whiter. But the little tear that was in the corner of his eye I thought was a great touch. I dont know if it was meant to be there or not.

I thought that whole scene, coupled with that powerful music score was one of the best scenes ever in Smallville.

 

[rumpuso]

I think part of the problem was he looked so healthy... I mean. He was losing blood, he should have been pale and sweaty (in shock) but there he was looking as gorgeous (and as healthy) as ever.

Maybe it wouldn't have bothered me as much if he looked like he was dying and to me he just didn't...

I had a similar feeling about this scene when I first watched it. He opened his eyes and he looked so bright and alive that my first thought was that he was going to have a scene where it looked as if he was recovering THEN he would have a relapse. That, of course, didn't happen and I now understand what they were doing, but I think if he looked sickly, or even painfully opened his eyes at first, I would have believed the meaning of that scene the first time around. However, after rewatching this episode I can now appreciate what occurred.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

here's my review:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/superhulk/4103.html

I was going to wait until it went up on the other site, but that may not be until Wednesday, and I didnt want it to be irrelevant by then

 

[NHawk19]

Nice work Hulk

 

[avidreader]

here's my review:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/superhulk/4103.html

I was going to wait until it went up on the other site, but that may not be until Wednesday, and I didnt want it to be irrelevant by then

Good review, and I also thought at the time that the guys giving the key to Gabriel was not something Military guys would do, but I dont think by turning the key it launched the rockets, I think it just gave him access to the computer program. And maybe they thought that he wouldnt be capable of launching the rocket.

You know I read on the Smallville Ledger page, after the episode Blank where Sheriff Adams walks into Summerholt and demands to be let in out back, that she is a Sheriff who never takes any notice of her jurisdiction, she does what she needs to do to get the job done. So her leading that little group into the Silo didnt bother me so much.

I read somewhere that she's kind of a replica of the Sheriff in Fargo, and wasnt she like that, did whatever she needed to do to get the job done.

 

[mellyM]

here's my review:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/superhulk/4103.html

I was going to wait until it went up on the other site, but that may not be until Wednesday, and I didnt want it to be irrelevant by then

Good review I kind of let go the time element, because it didn't work, it never does on tv shows, I'm not sure why they needed it, even on 24, all that stuff can't take place in one hour..but because the episode did what it intended to do, because of the immense emotional impact and the fact that when Clark jumped, flew, whichever to the missle, my jaw hit the floor..I really wasn;t expecting that, I'll give them their time constraints and implausibility, because its about enjoying what you're seeing, and getting caught up in the moments. Its just a tv show, not a documentary, at least they tried to explain the kid knowing how to hack the computer, even though I didn't believe it, at least they tried, which is more than they usually do.

What site are you writing reviews for now?

 

[avidreader]

I kind of thought all that bit with Lionel/Jor-el was time suspended. To me, because Clark was dead, it happened outside of real time.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Good review I kind of let go the time element, because it didn't work, it never does on tv shows, I'm not sure why they needed it, even on 24, all that stuff can't take place in one hour..but because the episode did what it intended to do, because of the immense emotional impact and the fact that when Clark jumped, flew, whichever to the missle, my jaw hit the floor..I really wasn;t expecting that, I'll give them their time constraints and implausibility, because its about enjoying what you're seeing, and getting caught up in the moments. Its just a tv show, not a documentary, at least they tried to explain the kid knowing how to hack the computer, even though I didn't believe it, at least they tried, which is more than they usually do.

What site are you writing reviews for now?

I see your points. Personally I just thought the clock wasnt needed, I thought there was enough tension with just the kid hacking at the nuke and figuring out how to launch it.

Oh and I cant really give out the name of the site, as it's new, and isnt finished yet. Should be immensely cool though, and up by the middle of the week.