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[The Sage]

That scene where Chloe puts her hand on Clark's chest to feel where his bullet wound was healed was interesting.

The Sage's "bible study" pics post should include that, since it was like doubting Thomas feeling the scars in Christ's side after he was resurrected.

Oh you noticed that too?

 

[The Sage]

Can you turn that into an avvie for me? Minus the "owned" text?
Bruce Lee's my (other) hero!

A fellow Lee fan!

I'll see what I can do.

 

[Bad Superman]

Oh you noticed that too?

That second pic looks kinky.

 

[scifiwolf]

Wow, guess this is my first time posting in the Smallville forum.

Last night's episode is definitely the best. Tom Welling has improved tremendously as an actor. I was laughing my ass off at the "morning after" scene between Kana, Clark, Johnathan, and Martha. It's funny cause I fear something similar might happen to me. I like that they're getting the development of the mythos back into full swing. I'm definitely able to tell the writers have this and the next few seasons mapped out. The shooting scene was phenomenal. Again, this is where Tom's growing skills as an actor are evident. The super jump and subsequent piggy-back ride kicked ass. I've been waiting for domething like that to happen. I was hoping we'd see Clark fall back to Earth, trying to control it in an early attempt at flight, but I guess not. If the episodes keep getting better and better each week, then I just might be ready to explode by the time spring rolls around.

 

[Venom71]

Jor-El explained it last night. When Lionel tocuhed the stone in "Commencement" when the other two had been united, he became a vessel of kryptonian knowledge that Jor-El could possess if Clark ever needed him.

When Clark flatlined, it activated that in Lionel and he was overtaken by Jor-El's consciuosness, thus the prison break and superspeed. Obviously, he's not "possessed" by Jor-El, as it seems he's in him subconsciously except when he's needed, as Lionel himself had no recollection of any of the events since he was "taken over" by Jor-El

Isn't that what the Eradicator was/is in the comics?

 

[The Sage]

Here's another possible religious reference: Anyone notice how they switched from the flames of the rocket propelling to Clark laid out in the FOS? I believe that when Jesus died, he descended into Hell to get the keys of life and death before resurrecting. Just a thought.

 

[user123456789]

Here's another possible religious reference: Anyone notice how they switched from the flames of the rocket propelling to Clark laid out in the FOS? I believe that when Jesus died, he descended into Hell to get the keys of life and death before resurrecting. Just a thought.

what religion is this?

 

[The Sage]

what religion is this?

Christianity.

 

[avidreader]

Wow! This episode was the best. I had every possible emotion occurring throughout the whole time. I'm too speechless to get down to it, but everything worked. And I'm gonna go watch it again.

I just have to make a comment about the music score by Mark Snow played through the Clark dying scenes. It was absolutely brilliant.

Perfect!

 

[user123456789]

Christianity.

Oh. I was a christian for 16 years, but never knew that. Thanks

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Isn't that what the Eradicator was/is in the comics?

My thoughts exactly. I still say it's not Jor-El, it's The Eradicator and that will add up for more interesting drama down the line. The whole thing about taking ppl's bodies and giving them Superman's powers is one of the traits of The Eradicator, just like the surge of energy that was tied around Jonathan's neck in the end of Covenant.

 

[user123456789]

My thoughts exactly. I still say it's not Jor-El, it's The Eradicator and that will add up for more interesting drama down the line. The whole thing about taking ppl's bodies and giving them Superman's powers is one of the traits of The Eradicator, just like the surge of energy that was tied around Jonathan's neck in the end of Covenant.

I dont get it though. You're saying that for the past 4 seasons, Clark has been in contact with the Eradicator? And even IN THE FOS, its the eradicator? Where is Jor-El then? In your opinion?

 

[Thunder Emperor]

well eradicator is sopposed to be his protector,

as for the eps it was rad. best eps so far. man I loved every min of eps the first few scenes with his parents. also the missle scene was cooooooool

in all a great eps.

 

[Thunder Emperor]

Isn't that what the Eradicator was/is in the comics?

which could me it is still the eradicator in the end. i mean if i was the eradiccator program will i come to you and say i am a program here to serve you or i am the pure consusiness of your late father. which would you listen to

 

[galmorzu]

Couple of things first off.

1) Is there any way, any where, to download the, "Am I Dead?" clip? Not the audio, but the visual as well.

2) Concerning the life that must be exchanged for Clarks, isn't it possible (sorry if this has been said) that Jor-El is going to give up his own life force in self-sacrifice for his own son?

Listen to that clip of Jor-el/Lionel talking to Clark again, and listen to the pain in his own voice. Jor-El might have finally done the one thing that will prove he trully is a good guy by sacrificing himself for his own son's life, instead of just taking the life of someone else. Nothing else could better show viewers just how much Jor-El really loves his son than this act.

Jor-El isn't floating about in the movies any more is he? Nope, all Clark has left are his holograms. Listen to Jor-El's last words to Clark as well. "Always know..that I love you." There's real pain in that voice, the same you would expect a parent to express to their child when they know they don't have much longer left with them.

It would probably crush Clark to realize his biological father would end his own existance because of the love for his son. Clark would lose his last real tie to his heritage, and it would be his fault, but seeing the self-sacrifice of his father would be a deeply painful reminder of his responsibility to the world, and would also teach him about the power of self sacrifice as well.

In the end, the only way Clark will know his father will be through the holograms at the FoS, and it was only through his own selfish decision that he is no longer able to speak directly with his father anymore.

Very sad, and extremely powerful stuff, me thinks.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

I guess that is feasible but it sort of presupposes that Jor-El is some sentient being and that his actual life force has been what's been talking to Clark, as opposed to his consciousness programmed into the computers in the ship, caves, and FoS.

If you have that, you make the leap to Jor-El being a near immortal as opposed to just a gifted genius scientist. In the old, old comics the Kryptonians were near god-like, so it's possible that Millar and Gough are taking that route...

It's an intersting theoiry, I'll say that, especially since Jor-El has been able to physically affect Clark, Jonathan, and Lionel..

 

[galmorzu]

I guess that is feasible but it sort of presupposes that Jor-El is some sentient being and that his actual life force has been what's been talking to Clark, as opposed to his consciousness programmed into the computers in the ship, caves, and FoS.

If you have that, you make the leap to Jor-El being a near immortal as opposed to just a gifted genius scientist. In the old, old comics the Kryptonians were near god-like, so it's possible that Millar and Gough are taking that route...

I had always figured it was some advanced AI anyway until this morning when I was thinking about it. While it might not be the most feasible or realistic route to take, I certainly think, story-wise, it would be the most powerful and effective.

I keep watching the clip from the yahoo site, and the expressions and tone that Jor-El/Lionel uses all seem to convey the sadness of a parent that knows their time is coming to an end. Especially that hug before telling Clark to remember that he is loved.

Notice also the subtle surge of light when Jor-El/Lionel hugs Clark, as if passing his life-force energy over to him.

 

[The Sage]

Okay, replay...

Death:

Burial:

Empty tomb:

 

[The Sage]

Resurrection:

 

[The Sage]

Ascension:

Reunion with Mary Madgalene:

Doubting Thomas:

 

[tonytr1687]

Thanks for the scene transcribe. Glover is such a great actor. He can go from giving off an oily evil vibe every time you look at him to being like an all-knowing grandpa (when he's Jor-El).

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Glover shined in this ep. He made every actor he was near look like a guppy next to a large fish

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

nice job Sage. Mary Magdalene was also the one who found that Christ was missing from the tomb. Ironically Lana is the first character to look in the room when the nurse says that he's gone..

 

[The Sage]

nice job Sage. Mary Magdalene was also the one who found that Christ was missing from the tomb. Ironically Lana is the first character to look in the room when the nurse says that he's gone..

Too bad they couldn't squeeze a Pieta in there. You know, the Michaelangelo sculpture of Mary holding Jesus' body.

 

[Mike_D]

CLARK: Lionel...err...Jor-El? umm...akkk-warrdd....




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