How do you think the X-Men will be introduced into the MCU?

X-Men rebooted for or transferred into the MCU?

  • They'll be transferred (with the same actors) into the MCU by a means I find plausible.

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They're going to reboot regardless. Even if Dark Phoenix made a billion at box office (no way in hell that's happening) they still wouldn't continue it. There is simply no way to integrate the FoxVerse with the MCU. The FoxVerse is over. It's done. It's dusted. Time to move on.
The FoxVerse will be the biggest victim of the snap and it’s Feige who will be wearing the gauntlet this time and it causualities won’t be half of the life being wiped out in the MCU but all of life in the FoxVerse!

No one’s safe when Feige snaps those fingers! Even the Mad Titan himself will look rather merciful compared to the ruthlessness Kevin shall exact on that universe!

Its only a matter of time.
 
Fans think from the heart. Suits from profit.

Yes and Kevin Feige has made 17 billion producing Marvel films. That's why it doesn't matter how much Dark Phoenix makes. Feige is the far more proven entity either way.

But it's a moot point anyway. I agree that Dark Phoenix will see diminishing returns.
 
Yes and Kevin Feige has made 17 billion producing Marvel films. That's why it doesn't matter how much Dark Phoenix makes. Feige is the far more proven entity either way.

But it's a moot point anyway. I agree that Dark Phoenix will see diminishing returns.

Nah it matters if it’s a blockbuster hit as in a competing hit that it can stand strongly compared to the MCU.

Profit over creativity. Fans think creativity and innovation, suits ONLY think money. If something is safe and looking to earn more, suits don’t mess with that since they prefer safe no matter how uncreative it is. New = risk, safe = buck, this is the only thing suits care about. Risk vs reward.

Thing is, it’s going to struggle to get profit and that’s with what has to be a reduced budget. The risk is now officially higher than reward and to change that Dark Phoenix needs to be one mighty hail Mary pass (which, it won’t be).

It’ll seem like a moronic way to break it down into these simplistic terms - New = risk, safe = buck, risk vs reward - and, well, that’s because it is and that’s why so many creatives hate suits.

Also, the higher the company - the more they stick to these basic terms. If Iron Man started at Disney, no way would we have an extended universe right now - Marvel got that by starting solo.
 
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I think the Eternals will be the key to the mutant's arrival in the MCU. We know that Fiege is eyeing up an Eternals movie and they share an origin with the mutants - both being humans experimented on by the Celestials. I'd expect an Eternals movie in 2020/21 with some cosmic event occurring at the end of that film that triggers latent X-genes in thousands of young people across the world. The post-credits scene could be Cyclops or someone manifesting their powers.

Of course you'd still have a couple of rare older mutants like Xavier, Wolverine and Magneto, but 99.9% of mutants would be newly activated teenagers.
 
Whatever Feige, Horn and Iger decide to do with the X-Men, it"s going to be best for Disney.
We have no idea what's best for Disney. I see a lot of people want a reboot and recast, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
A recast might be the best for Disney or keeping the same cast might be the best for Disney.
I'm not sure what direction they will go.
The fact is we just don't know, we are just guessing and hoping.
 
Whatever Feige, Horn and Iger decide to do with the X-Men, it"s going to be best for Disney.
We have no idea what's best for Disney. I see a lot of people want a reboot and recast, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
A recast might be the best for Disney or keeping the same cast might be the best for Disney.
I'm not sure what direction they will go.
The fact is we just don't know, we are just guessing and hoping.

I would say that is the accurate view.

Fans want a recast or to keep the cast for creative or innovative reasoning.

Disney, however, doesn't think like that. Money and profit comes first over creativity and innovation (which, sorry to break it to people, are the last two things that Disney thinks about).

At the end of the day, the only question that Disney is going to ask is:

What is the most guaranteed way to make an easy dollar and bring in the most profit?

Because, however cynical it may seem, that is the only thing that Disney cares about.

(that said, Phoenix is looking to come in under Apocalypse and it'll need a hail Mary pass to keep FXMCU)
 
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Whatever Feige, Horn and Iger decide to do with the X-Men, it"s going to be best for Disney.
We have no idea what's best for Disney. I see a lot of people want a reboot and recast, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
A recast might be the best for Disney or keeping the same cast might be the best for Disney.
I'm not sure what direction they will go.
The fact is we just don't know, we are just guessing and hoping.
I hate to sound like a jerk who doesn't take your opinion seriously or think you're just playing devil's advocate for the sake of it, but I just don't see how inheriting Fox's current X-Men universe is in Disney and Marvel Studios' best interest. Apocalypse underperformed. Dark Phoenix has all the makings of a bomb. The only survivor of the merger is gonna be Reynolds' Deadpool.
 
I hate to sound like a jerk who doesn't take your opinion seriously or think you're just playing devil's advocate for the sake of it, but I just don't see how inheriting Fox's current X-Men universe is in Disney and Marvel Studios' best interest. Apocalypse underperformed. Dark Phoenix has all the makings of a bomb. The only survivor of the merger is gonna be Reynolds' Deadpool.

It isn't. Dark Phoenix (or at least from the looks of it) reduced the budget, which means even Fox knows that chances are high that it'll struggle to even make close to what Apocalypse made - right now it's looking to make well under and that isn't good. Perhaps 200 less (putting it in First Class range).

This is also why behind the scenes there's a lot of drama right now, they know the box office stakes - and those stakes aren't boding well for the film nor the franchise.

Fox knows this, Disney does too. It's a similar scenario to ASM2. Disney won't want to take on a risk or an economically sinking ship, which means at this point starting over is the economically safest option.

As said, to keep the FXMCU Dark Phoenix would need to be a hail Mary pass - which is significantly unlikely.
 
Whatever Feige, Horn and Iger decide to do with the X-Men, it"s going to be best for Disney.
We have no idea what's best for Disney. I see a lot of people want a reboot and recast, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
It simply makes no sense for Feige to carry over a cast with already a lot of baggage from a soon-to-be-dead continuity. If there was even a remote possibility of Feige integrating that cast into his universe then clearly he would’ve brought back Andrew Garfield for the MCU reboot of Spider-Man instead of just going with a new actor entirely and wiping the slate clean.
A recast might be the best for Disney or keeping the same cast might be the best for Disney.
Its hard to imagine what value Disney would see in keeping that cast(most of which aren’t even big names to begin with).
I'm not sure what direction they will go.
The fact is we just don't know, we are just guessing and hoping.
Obviously we don’t know what Marvel has in store for them or how they’ll introduce them into their universe but we can certainly make a educated guess based on what they did with Spider-Man where they started from scratch and recast the role for a new version that fits into their continuity. Going by that it’s safe to presume Marvel will likely do the same with the Mutants since they would to do their own version of them and not be stuck inheriting Fox’s version of them. Makes the most sense financially and creatively, imo.
 
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It simply makes no sense for Feige to carry over a cast with already a lot of baggage from a soon-to-be-dead continuity. If there was even a remote possibility of Feige integrating that cast into his universe then clearly he would’ve brought back Andrew Garfield for the MCU reboot of Spider-Man instead of just going with a new actor entirely and wiping the slate clean.
Its hard to imagine what value Disney would see in keeping that cast(most of which aren’t even big names to begin with).
Obviously we don’t know what Marvel has in store for them or how they’ll introduce them into their universe but we can certainly make a educated guess based on what they did with Spider-Man where they started from scratch and recast the role for a new version that fits into their continuity. Going by that it’s safe to presume Marvel will likely do the same with the Mutants since they would to do their own version of them and not be stuck inheriting Fox’s version of them. Makes the most sense financially and creatively, imo.

The reason why ASM wasn't carried over was a financial one.

ASM1 brought in $757,930,663 worldwide, ASM2 brought in $708,982,323 worldwide.

Audiences gravitated more to ASM1 than ASM2 in terms of quality, ASM3 would have seen less at B.O. due to the negative response to ASM2. This means the ASM franchise was already seeing diminishing returns. There was no sound financial reason to continue with it. The franchise was dead in the water.

This was again - fans really need to start thinking in business rather creative terms - an economic, rather than creative decision.

The comparison to XMCU is an apt one, however due to financial over creative reasoning.

(for those wondering DP could see great reviews, but if it disappoints at box office and it continues to show a downward trend - it's reboot time, this is why it's a significantly unlikely hail Mary pass)

Fans think creative, suits don't.
 
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The reason why ASM wasn't carried over was a financial one.

ASM1 brought in $757,930,663 worldwide, ASM2 brought in $708,982,323 worldwide.

Audiences gravitated more to ASM1 than ASM2 in terms of quality, ASM3 would have seen less at B.O. due to the negative response to ASM2. This means the ASM franchise was already seeing diminishing returns. There was no sound financial reason to continue with it. The franchise was dead in the water.

This was again - fans really need to start thinking in business rather creative terms - an economic, rather than creative decision.

The comparison to XMCU is an apt one, however due to financial over creative reasoning.

(for those wondering DP could see great reviews, but if it disappoints at box office and it continues to show a downward trend - it's reboot time, this is why it's a significantly unlikely hail Mary pass)

Fans think creative, suits don't.
But It wasn't, Feige did not want Garfield period. They discussed integrating Spidey into the MCU before the first TASM even released and Feige made it clear he would only take Spidey if Sony were willing to reboot. Feige cares more about creative integrity than how lucrative a franchise/brand would be for the Studio. That's why we have an Eternals movie being made. If money was the only thing that was driving Marvel Studios then Feige would have brought back Maguire for the MCU because his movies were far more successful than Garfield's outings. The question is not whether Feige will want them (he won't) but more so, will Disney FORCE them on him and that's never going to happen either. Iger and Horn have a huge amount of trust in Feige and he could make back whatever Phoenix makes -- triple with the MCU version.

Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. The FoX-Men movies are dead after this year
 
But It wasn't, Feige did not want Garfield period. They discussed integrating Spidey into the MCU before the first TASM even released and Feige made it clear he would only take Spidey if Sony were willing to reboot. Feige cares more about creative integrity than how lucrative a franchise/brand would be for the Studio. That's why we have an Eternals movie being made. If money was the only thing that was driving Marvel Studios then Feige would have brought back Maguire for the MCU because his movies were far more successful than Garfield's outings. The question is not whether Feige will want them (he won't) but more so, will Disney FORCE them on him and that's never going to happen either. Iger and Horn have a huge amount of trust in Feige and he could make back whatever Phoenix makes -- triple with the MCU version.

Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. The FoX-Men movies are dead after this year

Feige is at the head of Marvel which is a PRODUCTION COMPANY, he is not the head of Disney which is a STUDIO. He has bosses that he has to respond to. Every MCU film, like 'Eternals,' is a new and untested property - this automatically places it in a different category than SM and XM. Fans think with "they're all comic book properties!" Suits do not, suits see it as tested and untested PERIOD.

Production Companies have leagues less control than the studio. Every single thing the production company wants to do, the studio MUST sign off on it otherwise the company CAN'T do it.

In other words, Feige? ISN'T THE SUIT. I knew I should have stated this since I knew people would leap to "Feige is the suit" notions. NO. His bosses are. Disney is getting X-Men. NOT Feige. Feige is just who they're going to give the property to with their own guidelines that Feige has to follow since they're his boss.

There's no economic sense in bringing Maguire back after Spider-Man 3 at all. Acting like there would be shows a profound lack of business prowess. Sony rebooted it because after SM3, the series was dead.

SM, ASM, and now XMCU are all rebooted for the same reason - diminishing or clear pointing to diminishing box office returns. SM3 got clobbered to the point where it's deemed a "joke" like Batman & Robin - SM4 would have got KILLED at box office, Sony knew this. If Sony thought - even remotely - that SM4 was safer than TASM, they would have made SM4. It was a PROFIT oriented decision. Feige bringing Maguire back would be like DC wanting to keep George Clooney as Batman. It would be deemed a suicidal business move.

Nobody here is talking business sense - not the for nor the against people; suits do not care about creativity or innovation - they care profit motive (again Feige ISN'T the suit).

It's an obvious against, but because of obvious profit-motivated reasons. Even without the MCU, DP would have likely KILLED off this string of X-Men films within the XMCU. It's ALREADY a sinking ship.

No company signs onboard the Titanic seconds before the iceberg and continues driving it towards the iceberg.

It's dead because of PROFIT MOTIVE. If it pulls a Hail Mary pass (which it WON'T) - that changes things because then Disney bought a lucrative money maker that already has a GUARANTEED sequel with strong and increased profit earnings if it's good - (but that's NOT what they have) - and they'd then give it to Feige with guidelines which he literally HAS TO follow or someone else (again, Feige ISN'T the boss, he has to do whatever Disney tells him to). This Hail Mary pass though? As likely as cows flying. Fox and Disney ALREADY know this. With or without the merger, XMCU was DEAD in the water with this strand of films. This is why Fox was already looking to branch out - jump off their sinking ship. Gambit, New Mutants, etc. these were/are all life rafts. Behind the scenes troubles further spells this out.

- Speaking as someone who WORKS in the industry, fans think creatively - suits cold hard economics.
 
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There is the case that the integrity of the MCU and its shared universe being a financial multiplier over stand alone products as well as actors is the case that as producer Feige was able to sell to his corporate bosses.
 
There is the case that the integrity of the MCU and its shared universe being a financial multiplier over stand alone products as well as actors is the case that as producer Feige was able to sell to his corporate bosses.

That would be saying the two need to immediately be brought into the same universe.

Here's the hail Mary pass:

DP is a soaring success at the box office. Critics loved it, 89% or HIGHER on RT. Audiences adored it and said it was the one X-Men film they've always been waiting for and they can't wait for the sequel.

(the possibility of that happening though? 1%, thus why it's a Hail Mary)

Now, is Disney going to immediately kill that?

No. Disney would a freaking moron to do so - because all of this points to the next film in that line being a guaranteed money earner if they deliver a quality product that they can potentially continue to milk money from for YEARS to come. ("But any X-Men film can be!" - it'd be deemed a higher risk when a guaranteed box office is ahead - rigid thinking that shows lack of originality and risk-taking? Well, that's what suits are best known for and it's why people hate them; "but Marvel takes risks with original properties" - true, but Disney only sees it as tested and untested - one would have already been tested and throwing that out to go untested when test guarantees money - too risky, rigid thinking)

How would that impact Avengers?

It --------- wouldn't.

Disney would keep the two separate for a longer period of times than what the fans would want because they, sorry to break this, don't care about what fans want and only about profit.

ONCE the films start to lose their appeal and start to see diminishing returns, THEN and ONLY then would Disney stop that strand of X-Men films. Disintegrate it and start fresh with it being part of the MCU (MCU has no end in sight, money keeps on climbing - as long as it pulls in money, they're going to milk it).

Is that what fans would want? Of course not.

Is that what guarantees them a way of continuing to milk money for as long as they can? YES.

Greed? Sure. But suits follow the motto of Gordon Gecko: "Greed is GOOD."

And that's ALL that suits care about.

Again - the likelihood of this Hail Mary - 1%. Fox was looking outside of this strand already because they know it's with very strong likelihood dead (even without the MCU) in the water and were/are seeking life rafts.
 
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I have confidence Feige can make the present X-Men be as successful as the MCU.
And it not about creativity it’s about money. Keeping a cast that all the X-Men fanboys know would be a smart move by Disney.
The X-Men problems has never been the cast, the problems were the directing and writing.
Also Disney’s marketing team is a lot better than Fox.

I doubt Disney will throw out the baby with the bath water, but you never know.
 
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I have confidence Feige can make the present X-Men be as successful as the MCU.
And it not about creativity it’s about money. Keeping a cast that all the X-Men fanboys know would be a smart move by Disney.
The X-Men problems has never been the cast, the problems were the directing and writing.
Also Disney’s marketing team is a lot better than Fox.

I doubt Disney will throw out the baby with the bath water, but you never know.

Here's the thing:

- Hugh Jackman's retired
- The original, original cast has been unaffiliated for years (they're not coming back)
- The new cast only has had two films that people have gravitated towards
- If 'Dark Phoenix' isn't a Hail Mary, that indicates the new cast isn't resonating
- Disney can keep Ryan Reynolds and not keep the rest (meta easily allows them to do this)

This new (non-resonating?) cast isn't a strong reason to hold onto a now struggling brand.

'Dark Phoenix' has to be a hail Mary for Disney to: soaring box office success, critic and audience beloved.

The likelihood of the above is slim to none.
 
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Disney will 100 percent let Feige do whatever he wants with X-Men. Even if DP is a decently profitable film integrating the X-Men with the MCU will make it even more profitable and with how unfaithful Fox has been with most of the characters there is absolutely no way the franchise won’t be rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not even a question of debate the Fox X-Men will be rebooted and recasted to be more faithful to their comic counterparts. The absolutely only
returning actor will be Ryan Reynolds who as Deadpool I’m sure will break the wall in his first post-acquisition soft reboot of the Deadpool movies.
 
Disney will 100 percent let Feige do whatever he wants with X-Men. Even if DP is a decently profitable film integrating the X-Men with the MCU will make it even more profitable and with how unfaithful Fox has been with most of the characters there is absolutely no way the franchise won’t be rebuilt from the ground up. It’s not even a question of debate the Fox X-Men will be rebooted and recasted to be more faithful to their comic counterparts. The absolutely only
returning actor will be Ryan Reynolds who as Deadpool I’m sure will break the wall in his first post-acquisition soft reboot of the Deadpool movies.

(1) Disney never lets creatives do 100% what they want.

(2) This contends that they'll be immediately brought together, if Hail Mary pass (it won't be) - it isn't instant integration or integration at all really; rather milking and then integration (hint: there is nothing left to milk).

(3) Decent profits doesn't cut it, it needs to bring in a billion or close to it (spoiler: it won't, box office will be lower than Apocalypse, it'll struggle to reach First Class and best case scenario make slightly over).

(4) Only fans care about comic book accuracy, studios don't since general audience has no idea.

People are right to say it's going to be rebooted, just not right for the actual industry reasons (of which they are plentiful and strong).
 
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(1) Disney never lets creatives do 100% what they want.

(2) This contends that they'll be immediately brought together, if Hail Mary pass (it won't be) - it isn't instant integration or integration at all really; rather milking and then integration (hint: there is nothing left to milk).

(3) Decent profits doesn't cut it, it needs to bring in a billion or close to it (spoiler: it won't, box office will be lower than Apocalypse, it'll struggle to reach First Class and best case scenario make slightly over).

(4) Only fans care about comic book accuracy, studios don't since general audience has no idea.

People are right to say it's going to be rebooted, just not right for the actual industry reasons (of which they are plentiful and strong).

Feige is a comic book fan and whilst
Plot lines and certain aspects of characters differ from the comics the mcu does a better job than any other comic based movie of capturing the spirit of the comics. So of course certain things will be altered to capture a wider audience Feige will make sure nothing is altered to the point that characters are only similar power wise like far too many of the Fox X-men are. That’s why Feige has created such a successful universe because he knows how to satisfy both comic book junkies and the general audience. And yeah DP will be lucky to break $500 million at the box office.
 
Feige is a comic book fan and whilst
Plot lines and certain aspects of characters differ from the comics the mcu does a better job than any other comic based movie of capturing the spirit of the comics. So of course certain things will be altered to capture a wider audience Feige will make sure nothing is altered to the point that characters are only similar power wise like far too many of the Fox X-men are. That’s why Feige has created such a successful universe because he knows how to satisfy both comic book junkies and the general audience. And yeah DP will be lucky to break $500 million at the box office.

Agreed with nearly everything, EXCEPT:

Feige is the head of a PRODUCTION COMPANY who reports to a boss - DISNEY.

Literally every single thing Feige does has to be signed off and approved by Disney.

Disney can also order Feige to make changes that they want on anything Feige works on.

Feige isn't getting X-Men, Disney is and they're assigning Feige to work on it.

Feige isn't really what's deemed a suit - or at least for commercial films - he's an employee to studio heads.

Feige cares, Disney studio heads (they're the suits here - not Feige) don't.

Maybe the easiest way to put this - think of the Disney heads as a group of domineering and a really hands-on board of directors who only think money first rather than caring about the creative process. This is why people hate suits. It's not like creatives conferring with other creatives, it's rather creatives conferring with bankers who are unfamiliar with the creative process.

A side-note since some may take that as me saying only Disney is ran like that - all studios are; creatives hate suits since they come from a banking/economics rather than creative angle.

Btw, if anyone's wondering, yes - this is why few original movies are made per year.
 
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There has been an overstating of the failure of the X-Men franchise.
The franchise is very successful and profitable. There has been a few creative stubbles, the stubbles are relatively minor. Financially the franchise has been pretty good, not as good as the MCU, but no movie franchise has equal the MCU financially, maybe except for Star Wars.
The very nature of the X-Men storylines is not going to be commercially viable as the MCU.
 
The X-Men are getting rebooted. Dark Phoenix will either bomb or be a moderate success. Feige/MS crew will want to put their OWN creative stamp on the property and not be limited by the sins of the past. Plus there's no way to incorporate that continuity in to the MCU anyway

Fox-Men is over
 
There has been an overstating of the failure of the X-Men franchise.
The franchise is very successful and profitable. There has been a few creative stubbles, the stubbles are relatively minor. Financially the franchise has been pretty good, not as good as the MCU, but no movie franchise has equal the MCU financially, maybe except for Star Wars.
The very nature of the X-Men storylines is not going to be commercially viable as the MCU.

The X-Men will be more successful financially then ever because Disney will let Feige continue to do what he's done before they purchased Marvel (free of Perlmutter's interference now), outline the future direction of the MCU the way he sees fit. Feige will reboot and Disney will cash the check and be happy.
 
There has been an overstating of the failure of the X-Men franchise.
The franchise is very successful and profitable. There has been a few creative stubbles, the stubbles are relatively minor. Financially the franchise has been pretty good, not as good as the MCU, but no movie franchise has equal the MCU financially, maybe except for Star Wars.
The very nature of the X-Men storylines is not going to be commercially viable as the MCU.

FIRST CLASS: $353,624,124

DAYS OF FUTURE PAST: $747,862,775

APOCALYPSE: $543,934,787

DP is looking to get as much as First Class or just a tad more, it may even struggle to get there.

Could there be a Hail Mary? It's possible cows can still fly.

Apocalypse marked the beginning of the end due to: (1) reception, (2) box office stalled - people loved DOFP, if Apocalypse was good it would have done better. Thus begins a trend of diminishing returns which is difficult to bounce back from - reactions to DP trailer were not a good sign.

That the first introduction after Apocalypse was met with this:

X-Men fans think the first 'Dark Phoenix' trailer is too similar to the disappointing 'X-Men: The Last Stand'

And it was originally slated for Nov 2018, then pushed to June after bad test screenings:

X-Men: Dark Phoenix delayed until June 2019

Is a horrifying sign of nightmarish proportions to film studios considering how Apocalypse was received.

This is also why 'The Last Stand' was rebooted rather than staying in the present.

Disney got rid of the sinking ship of TASM and they'll get rid of this sinking ship as well.
 
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It’s amazing how everybody thinks they know Kevin Feige. I not going to say what Disney is going to do. Because no one on this forum knows, even if they act like they know.

Is Disney going to reboot the Kingsman or Planet of the Apes or Avatar or Ice Age or Kong Fu Panda too?
 
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