How much potential do you believe Captain America has?

Actually comic fanboys or gaming fanboys or any fanboys are the worst. They believe what they like to read or game is the greatest stuff in the planet, but in most occassions that it's not. Now I'm not saying some of you're a fanboy or anything, but people on this planet have different views on looking materials. What's is gold to you and me, a random guy on this planet can spot its blemish. Historically shown no comics movie ever received cinema highest accolades. Not even the vaunted Batman Begins, Superman or Spider-Man.

It's only logical that I'm going for a cautiously optimistic mode on a film made by a 150 million budget, scheduled in a precarious time under the gloom of the strike, and has one of the more difficult materials in comicdom when it's lifted for movie production.

I hope Cap will be out in 2009. I'm keen to this movie than Thor.

I was just thinking about that today. What we consider "classic stories", really aren't considered such in the outside world.

For example, if they did a Kraven's Last Hunt adaptation, even though it's a universally acclaimed comic book, it'd get some complaint reviews; people would think Kraven was a kind of silly character, and that it was too brooding for a good "popcorn action flick." They'd also say the suicide is unnecessary, and call the whole thing a disturbing piece of pulp fiction.
 
honestly unless it was amazing then ya I could see it get a nod. But I highly doubt it. Hell Batman could get nominated it it became a serious movie. Just about every comic book hero could be oscar nomination worthy. It just depends on how it is played. Now as for Captain America getting an oscar, I think it would be as bad as Marica Tome or hwoever you spell her name winning the oscar for my cousin vinny.
 
I was just thinking about that today. What we consider "classic stories", really aren't considered such in the outside world.

For example, if they did a Kraven's Last Hunt adaptation, even though it's a universally acclaimed comic book, it'd get some complaint reviews; people would think Kraven was a kind of silly character, and that it was too brooding for a good "popcorn action flick." They'd also say the suicide is unnecessary, and call the whole thing a disturbing piece of pulp fiction.
The thing is that most decent stories in comics or games aren't simple 'popcorn action flicks'

The action in most comics takes a back seat to the story driven plot. To even try and sell the last hunt as an action film would be its own downfall.

The last hunt is a good story but unfortunately what people want from a spiderman film isn't what the last hunt has to offer, or at least that is the notion that raimi keeps shoving down us.

HOwever if they managed to capture the essence one would get from reading it into the film, then it would work. Unfortunately no comic book film has managed to capture the essence of how it feels like to go through that story.

I mean look at the countless books that have been adapted to films and made it, especially genres like horror.

The thing about Kraven that one needs to get is that he has conquered all of life's trials easily, maybe too easily. He's the greatest hunter and then spidey comes and time and time again beats him. He's literally going out of him mind trying to figure out why. Then Bam, he sees an opening of how he can gain an ultimate defeat on his enemy in becoming him and tackling a problem he was unable to.

Then there is role reversal as Kraven takes him and defeats him in a way that helps his aid. This makes spidey feel as humilated as kraven has felt but he doesn't care because he believes he's done a feat spidey has been unable to do and that is the ULtimate victory, beating spidey at being spidey.

He now lets vermin and spidey go thinking he's gained the ultimate victory in life and has no more reason to live so he takes his own life. What he doesn't realise is that spidey finds the strength to accomplish what he didn't before and take down vermin single handedly in a non-violent manner which again makes spidey the winner.

This situation could be adapted to any kinda admiring obsessive situation and that's because it fundamentally works but it doesnt work as an action or popcorn flick. I wish people (especially comic readers) would stop narrowing the horizon's of comics. I've spent a long time intelligently trying to persuade people they aren't all 'just comics', I find it strange that now similar people are doing the same thing to their films.

I'm fairly sure no fantasy film had won high awards at the oscars before lord of the rings, what's to say a superhero film may one day have the same potential to. Good stories and acting can come in all shapes and forms, not just autobiographical films.
 
I was talking about comic book wise not batman actually achieving that. If I meant that, I would have said something like Batman got nominated. I am saying it could. The statement was to say that comic book movies have potential to be oscar movies but they just aren't
 
In terms of quality, I absolutely think that Captain America has potential. The character is one of the deepest and most interesting in all of Marvel comics. The basic fish out of water story is a tried and true classic for hundreds of years.

Financially, they've got a problem. Unfortunately in this case, I think outside politics would seriously impact the ability of this film to find an audience outside of the US. A lot of people will refuse to see a Captain America film based soley on the fact he's Captain America without knowing a thing about the character, unless the American government or even Cap himself is shown to constantly be in the wrong. Its sad, but its the way things are. Just look at all the complaining about a simple American flag shot in the Spider-Man movies and the effort that DC made with Superman Returns to downplay the idea of Superman being an American superhero.

I think your making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. With regards to spider-man, those flag shots, not so much in sm1 but in sm3, it was just plain cheesy, despite NY having US flags up everywhere. Those shots in spider-man wouldn't have been cheesy if they authenticated NY by consistently having the flags shown regularly because like I said, thats how NY is But, when we dont see any of those flags and we see it during a moment of desperation from the hero, thats when the eyes start rolling.

As for SR, I dont think they downplayed supes being an American hero at all.

Look at 24, that show is primarily about the inflated ego of America, yet this show is highly popular and is the number 1 show in many countries around the world. Like I said before a cap movie can draw inspiration from shows like 24 as well as classic war movies and it'll be a success.
 
I think it's to early to say what kind of potential it has, in the US it should do well, but I have my doubts it will be welcomed over seas.
As for story quality, like has been said it could be Iron Man good or Daredevil bad, depends on the writer and actors.
 
For me, it's all about the costume. If I can't bear to look at the suit, the quality of the movie won't matter much.

I'm imagining they'll go the Daredevil route with it, and try and make it something that someone might wear. Only it won't just be leather, the scales will be there as well. Probably a dark blue, maybe more like the recent Avengers DVD release. It could work. I loved how his shield looked/sounded in that.

-Vaportrail
 
superman movies in this day and age imo is boring. His "wow" factor has expired. However, the thing with Cap is, he's a man, a super soldier put into superhero situations, which makes for a more interesting movie to watch.
I believe there is a lot of potential with this and like anything in life, its all a matter of how it's executed.

As always, you speak the truth young brutha! :up:
 
I think CA could be great i would love him to be closer to the comics where at first he was a boy scout superman style who beleived the goverment where infallible but later i want him to become more of a fighter of the people, sligtly mistrustful of big goverment but still fiercely American to his core.
 
I think it is a 50/50 type thing, first all, I'm happy that it will be Marvel Studios handling it, and not fox searchlight or wtv, because they'd lay on the propaganda on thickly.
Like a handful have mentioned, many are obviously apprehensive about U.S. hegemony, and get irritated by overt American patriotism and idealism.
Being that the movie industry in an of itself is a huge propaganda tool, this movie could end up being the biggest tool of them all.
I wouldn't want it be anything like 24, jack bauer is a f_cking fascist, and basically normalizes American abuse of power, which would be completely wrong for Steve Rogers to be doing.
If all the movie ends up doing is spending an hour and a half further making villains out of Arabs, showing them as savage incompetent antagonist, and having American might triumph, I personally won't have anything to do with it.
But if Rogers has that resolve he had, like in Civil War, that he stood for the principles America is supposed to stand for, and doesn't automatically do wtv his government demands of it, it could be great.
 
guys i think captin amerca will not be a big hit unlees if its will talk about modren political problems and .... it should be alot cooler than the comic book
 
And when should the CA film be released, because that also impacts your box office returns. It cannot be released in September, that's for damn sure. Have to aim for either summer (we're talking like first thing right out the gate summer or 4th of July) or end of the year holiday season (Thanksgiving/Christmas).
 
guys i think captin amerca will not be a big hit unlees if its will talk about modren political problems and .... it should be alot cooler than the comic book



Cooler than the comic book? Have you read Brubaker's run? It's one of the best things in comics today...
 
I just hope the first half is all World War II.
Then the second half is what happens after Cap is discovered (obviously it prob won't be by the Avengers in the film:cmad: ), I guess set in modern day and not the 60's.
 
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thats what I say to a cap film. No more pro America movies
 
Cooler than the comic book? Have you read Brubaker's run? It's one of the best things in comics today...
Agreed. Vol. 4 and 5 have been Cap at his best. The only thing cooler than the Captain America comic books is me reading the Captain America comic books.
 
You obviously know nothing about Captain America. He's not pro America, he's pro people. All people. He saved Europe a few times don't forget.
if he was pro people he would be Captain Socialist
Do you think that A on his head Stands for France?
 
if he was pro people he would be Captain Socialist
Do you think that A on his head Stands for France?

That's Ultimate Captain America. We are not talking about Ultimate Captain America. We are talking about the Captain America who gave 4 years of his life to the war in Europe. We are talking about the Captain America who leads the Avengers, a group that protects the world (not the USA) we are talking about the Captain America who lives in his old neighborhood in Brooklyn rather than in Avengers mansion so he can help the poor and downtrodden around him. We are talking about the Captain America who gave up in a fight he believed in as to no longer cause damage and suffering to those people not involved in the fight.

But yeah, you know everything.
 
That's Ultimate Captain America. We are not talking about Ultimate Captain America. We are talking about the Captain America who gave 4 years of his life to the war in Europe. We are talking about the Captain America who leads the Avengers, a group that protects the world (not the USA) we are talking about the Captain America who lives in his old neighborhood in Brooklyn rather than in Avengers mansion so he can help the poor and downtrodden around him. We are talking about the Captain America who gave up in a fight he believed in as to no longer cause damage and suffering to those people not involved in the fight.

But yeah, you know everything.

I am well aware of that, and the differences between the two.
I wonder if you would be singing this song if he were still alive.
He is still a symbol of a degenerate country, and he fought to maintain that country.
 
I am well aware of that, and the differences between the two.
Yeah, you are now! You are either 1.) lying and you didn't realize the difference between Ultimate Captain America and regular Captain America until I pointed it out, or 2.) you did know the difference and were an idiot to make that post. I'm curious, are you a liar or an idiot?

I wonder if you would be singing this song if he were still alive.
I don't see what the hell Cap's death has to do with me supporting him, but yeah, I'd be singing the same song if he were still alive.

He is still a symbol of a degenerate country, and he fought to maintain that country.
When you insult America's role in the Second World War you insult the men who fought in it. And this pisses me and most other Americans off. You just insulted our grandfathers. How dare you, you ill educated prick! We didn't fight to maintain this country, we fought so that the nations of Europe and the islands in the Pacific could maintain their countries. But again, you know everything.
 
Yeah, you are now! You are either 1.) lying and you didn't realize the difference between Ultimate Captain America and regular Captain America until I pointed it out, or 2.) you did know the difference and were an idiot to make that post. I'm curious, are you a liar or an idiot?

I don't see what the hell Cap's death has to do with me supporting him, but yeah, I'd be singing the same song if he were still alive.

When you insult America's role in the Second World War you insult the men who fought in it. And this pisses me and most other Americans off. You just insulted our grandfathers. How dare you, you ill educated prick! We didn't fight to maintain this country, we fought so that the nations of Europe and the islands in the Pacific could maintain their countries. But again, you know everything.

i'm not insulting the role of America in the war. that was one of the last proud moments the USA ever had.
talking to you is like talking to a priest.
I'm done.
 

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