The Dark Knight Rises How smart is nolan's batman?

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Can Bruce Wayne build and design is own vehicles and weapons for a change?? No wonder that company guy tracked the Tumbler to Wayne in the last movie. He needs to start making things in his cave or that workshop he had. He keeps using things previously built by his own company.

So how smart is this Nolan Batman? It seems, not as smart as the comic book version.
 
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You have to remember that Nolan's Batman is supposed to be Bruce EARLY in his crime-fighting days - not fully developed. That being said - He is still pretty damm smart. How many guys do you know could set up an automatic firing range with a .50 Cal in a basement to analyze a fingerprint off of a shattered bullet.... that sucker was fully automated too. Bruce is pretty smart.
 
So how smart is this Nolan Batman? It seems, not as smart as the cook book version.

Well he may not be able to build his own vehicles but he sure can make a good chicken cordon bleu.
 
That's kinda the point of Nolan's movies. Batman of the comics was basically of super intelligence, right? This is more of a "real world" Batman... with all the human elements and flaws involved. This Bruce does craft and assemble certain things himself (watch Batman Begins), but there's no way possible a human has the capability and time to build a Batcave and all those toys from scratch. WayneTech gives Bruce that advantage and makes it possible in a hyper-real world scenario.
 
He's by no means the genius he is in the comics... and I thank God for that.
 
Not smart enough for the riddler to be a villian in these movies.
That's kinda the point of Nolan's movies. Batman of the comics was basically of super intelligence, right? This is more of a "real world" Batman... with all the human elements and flaws involved. This Bruce does craft and assemble certain things himself (watch Batman Begins), but there's no way possible a human has the capability and time to build a Batcave and all those toys from scratch. WayneTech gives Bruce that advantage and makes it possible in a hyper-real world scenario.
:huh::huh::huh:
 
He needs to show his detective and crime solving skills. He hasn't done that very much at all in any of the comic movies. Sure, people can try to point to examples of his detective work, but it's more of a stretch to find it. It's not like you can see it clearly as in the example of other detectives such as Det Goren (Law & Order Criminal Intent), Columbo, Monk, Castle, even the detectives from the CSI franchises.

Batman should have expert profiling skills, be able to spot details and inconsistencies, be able to play the criminals off each other (like Goren), and have expert forensic skills and specialist forensic equipment. I can't see that this Batman is even half the detective that some of these other characters are, and he's supposed to be the world's greatest detective.
 
He seems to have plenty of intelligence to me. The most important skills Batman (to me) are his martial arts, detective skills, and strategic and tactical skills. He seems to have those in the film, so it works for me.
 
Even the comic book version started out using vehicles and equipment from his own company.....

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I am guessing though later on he did learn to upgrade his own stuff by himself, and perhaps we'll get some of that this time around after the Mr. Reese incident from last time.

In the comics he also had help from Harold, a deformed man that lived in the caves and who was killed in the Hush storyline.

In these movies, he has shown to be very inventive with the technology he uses, like the sonar machine near the end of TDK. I do agree that the movies could show even more forensic detective work, but what has been shown has been properly done and enough for me.
 
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a lil smart.

not 'wise' though. That comes with time. Not well established either.
 
lol wut?
It's a big part of batman.

If you'talking about the never can fail, deus ex machina, "I'm Batman; I can plan for anything..." perfectionist Batman.

This is a believable Batman, and he's still very intelligtent. He built that city-wide sonar system that even Lucuis was surprised about.
 
He seems to have plenty of intelligence to me. The most important skills Batman (to me) are his martial arts, detective skills, and strategic and tactical skills. He seems to have those in the film, so it works for me.

Very minor detective skills though. They should at least be on the same level as all these other detectives in these TV series, or even Sherlock Holmes. He hasn't displayed anything close to that so far. Nolan's Batman just occasionally dabbles in it like an amateur. At least in Batman Begins, as a young man, he should've been shown to be a big fan of Arthur Conan Doyle to show where he gets his penchant for solving mysteries.

I get the feeling that Bale would get stumped by the first clue that the Riddler leaves if he were in these movies.

"How's the clue solving coming along" Commissioner Gordon would say.

Batman: "What am I, the world's greatest detective? I need some crime solving textbooks."
 
It was deliberate choice from Nolan to not make him a genius like in the comics. Not to make him too amazing. Make him more flawed.

I love Bale's and Nolan's Bruce Wayne and I think it fits him and his story not to be a super-smart guy.

And the story of him in these films is in his early days as Batman. And he already got a bit smarter in TDK.
 
He could do with a stint in summer school.
 
Very minor detective skills though. They should at least be on the same level as all these other detectives in these TV series, or even Sherlock Holmes. He hasn't displayed anything close to that so far. Nolan's Batman just occasionally dabbles in it like an amateur. At least in Batman Begins, as a young man, he should've been shown to be a big fan of Arthur Conan Doyle to show where he gets his penchant for solving mysteries.

I get the feeling that Bale would get stumped by the first clue that the Riddler leaves if he were in these movies.

"How's the clue solving coming along" Commissioner Gordon would say.

Batman: "What am I, the world's greatest detective? I need some crime solving textbooks."
Batman: I'm the goddamn batman, woooo, I got one:awesome:
 
Even the comic book version started out using vehicles and equipment from his own company.....

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I am guessing though later on he did learn to upgrade his own stuff by himself, and perhaps we'll get some of that this time around after the Mr. Reese incident from last time.

If you're going for a more realistic Batman, then it definitely works better for him to at least start out with a pre-existing design. Designing and building a military-style vehicle like the Batmobile would be, from the ground up by yourself, is not that plausible, especially if you do not specialize primarily in that. On top of the mechanical complexity of regular vehicle, plus armor, weapons, and other specialized features, would require a team of engineers to design and a whole bunch of workers if you wanted it to be assembled in a reasonable amount of time. Plus, if the comic book version of Batman had access to a preexisting vehicle like the Tumbler, you can bet your ass he would use it in lieu of designing it himself.
 
Very minor detective skills though. They should at least be on the same level as all these other detectives in these TV series, or even Sherlock Holmes. He hasn't displayed anything close to that so far. Nolan's Batman just occasionally dabbles in it like an amateur. At least in Batman Begins, as a young man, he should've been shown to be a big fan of Arthur Conan Doyle to show where he gets his penchant for solving mysteries.

I get the feeling that Bale would get stumped by the first clue that the Riddler leaves if he were in these movies.

"How's the clue solving coming along" Commissioner Gordon would say.

Batman: "What am I, the world's greatest detective? I need some crime solving textbooks."
He would just yell at and punch the riddles.
 
Very minor detective skills though. They should at least be on the same level as all these other detectives in these TV series, or even Sherlock Holmes. He hasn't displayed anything close to that so far. Nolan's Batman just occasionally dabbles in it like an amateur. At least in Batman Begins, as a young man, he should've been shown to be a big fan of Arthur Conan Doyle to show where he gets his penchant for solving mysteries.

I get the feeling that Bale would get stumped by the first clue that the Riddler leaves if he were in these movies.

"How's the clue solving coming along" Commissioner Gordon would say.

Batman: "What am I, the world's greatest detective? I need some crime solving textbooks."

Maybe. I think it could be interesting to have a film showing Batman using real-life detective techniques and such to solve a mystery.
 
No way Batman Begins (or TDK) could realistically explain how he'd be an expert at fighting, detecting, chemistry, engineering, biology, genetics, physics, precognition, baking, window cleaning, car salesmanship, Klingon, Mega Man 2, and Godslaying like he can in the comics...

I think Nolanverse Batman's skills and intelligence is just right.
 
The guy made his own giant spy computer, he DID make things in the cave in the first film (which the OP seems to ignore), etc. People who use this argument that Nolan's Batman isn't smart also ignore the subtle little details that show his detective work without blatantly putting him in a Sherlock Holmes hat and playing with beakers, such as knowing who Thomas Schiff was when he confronted an angry Harvey Dent. He'd obviously done his homework ahead of time to know Schiff's name and to know he was an inmate at Arkham.

People ***** and moan about how he made that giant computer based on Lucius' technology, but let's not pretend that taking technology from a little cell phone and enhancing it with a super computer (built singlehandedly, it seems---Fox was COMPLETELY in the dark about it) isn't a major accomplishment. That kind of thing is beyond anyone posting here and beyond 99% of people living in the real world.
 
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People ***** and moan about how he made that giant computer based on Lucius' technology, but let's not pretend that taking technology from a little cell phone and enhancing it with a super computer (built singlehandedly, it seems---Fox was COMPLETELY in the dark about it) isn't a major accomplishment. That kind of thing is beyond anyone posting here and beyond 99% of people living in the real world.

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