World How to make the spiderman web shooters.

[White_widow]

Ingredient Name: Water
Wt. by %: 60%-80%

Ingredient Name: diethylene glycol mono butyl ether
Wt. by %: 10%-13%

Ingredient Name: proprietary mixture of hydrocarbon surfactant, solvents
Wt. by %: proprietary

It's primarily water. 7% is hydrocarbon materials. The glycol is in the military foam too. The glycol helps stabilize the foam along with sugar. The hydrocarbons are the nonpolar substances and the water is the polar substance. The solvents keept the hydrocarbons as a liquid.

 

[White_widow]

And how exactly do you make the foam? This might be better for me as I currently have very little money for this project, but 5 bucks sounds like a sweet deal to me.

The five bucks was referring to the super strong substance.

 

[JMA610]

Oooooooooooo. I get it now. And I was just browsing the thread for any ideas I could pull up, and I found this message from you to me:

Oh, that's the deal I went for too! Shipping brings it to like 10$ or something like that. If either one of us creates a successful prototype, I have an idea on the turbine spinner that could make web shapes or fibers.

I think now is a good time to start thinking about ways to shape the webs. What was your idea for the turbines?

 

[White_widow]

Ok, there is an I shape (the column with two disk. They are on the top and bottom.) There is a turbine that is between the two disks. The column has several tubes. This will make the center strands. The turbine will be turned by the pressure and out of the turbine will fly strands of webs which will wrap the center strands. The bottom disk will have loads of holes drilled in it so the fluid can flow through. It will also be screwed in with retaining screws. The center tube angles will determine if it is a line or web.

 

[JMA610]

Ok. I just drew up a sketch for that. I'll post it tomorrow to see if I got it right.

 

[White_widow]

Sounds good! Let me know if you need any more clarification with that.


Also, I just found more expansive fluid. It will expand up to 2000 times instead of 1000 for thirty dollars less. http://www.columbussupply.com/products/?productid=2008&price=6763

 

[JMA610]

Cool, but I think I might be able to get some from my local fire department through a chemistry class. I'll have to get details on that.

 

[White_widow]

Wait,what? You can obtain resources from a fire department? Cool.

I have an idea. --------- acetate is non polar, add water and a strong surfactant to our current formula and we should be all set. We'd need to due some hypothesizing but I'm sure we can turn the formula into a foam.

 

[JMA610]

Yah, that sounds good. And I dont know if I can get the supplies, but I may be able to. I may also have access to a chemlab possibly.

 

[White_widow]

Are you a college student?

 

[JMA610]

No.

 

[JMA610]

And when you said "add this to the current formula", Do you mean the --------- ------- and the expansion fluid? And Are you going to use the carbon tubes or no? I'm sticking with the flasks.

 

[White_widow]

When I said adding the water and surfactant, I meant to the --------- acetate formula and not the styrofoam. The styrofoam contact cement formula seperated after a few weeks anyway. It's a shame that that particular formula didn't work. It would have been really cheap to make ($10) vs the ($33 not including the foam.) It just wasn't strong enough and didn't contain any hydroxide groups.

Also, I spoke to my chemistry teacher. She said that from what she could tell, it could work however, the mixing of the chemicals was important because of how many hydroxides and oxygen groups there are.

As for the cartridge, I'm going with the modified steel nipple for pressure reasons.

 

[JMA610]

Yah, it is. Ok, all clear on that. I am currently looking into homemade expansion foams. Hopefully something postworthy soon.

 

[White_widow]

From what I can tell, the surfactant is in the hydrocarbons.

 

[JMA610]

You mentioned needing a machine to make the fluid as fast as peter can. This is a relativly large and complex machine, but it shows how to make it. Maybe we could look into a smaller version? Either way, it's a longshot.
http://www.projo.com/sharedcontent/east/foam/pdf/makingfoam.pdf

 

[JMA610]

Also found this:

Polyurethanes are widely used in high resiliency flexible foam seating, rigid foam insulation panels, microcellular foam seals and gaskets, durable elastomeric wheels and tires, automotive suspension bushings, electrical potting compounds, high performance adhesives, surface coatings and sealants, Spandex fibers, seals, gaskets, carpet underlay, and hard plastic parts (such as for electronic instruments).

 

[White_widow]

Nice! I think that polyurethanes expand in an hour at about two times the expansion of the original form. Thanks for the info though. It's invaluable. When I said peter would need a machine I was referring to a strong substance that will increase tensile strength big time. The foam will happen if we add a small part to the shooter. The machine would be for a formula additive.

 

[White_widow]

Guys, -------- --------- is non polar. If we add water and a surfactant, we can make it foam. What I think we should focus on now is the shooters.

From what I can tell, we need four things to make a shooter and six if you want to make a good one.

1.) containment unit- This is what we like to call cartridges. It holds the fluid and pressure.
2.) Tubing with containment opening additions- It takes the fluid from the "cartridges" and allows it through the tubing.
3.)The valve- starting and stopping the flow of web fluid to leave the tube.
4.) pressure- Whether we decide to go with liquid propellant or co2, we need a way to let it enter the cartridge at controlled rate.

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5.) spinnerette- helps give the fluid definition and shape. Depending on the type of fluid, it can increase the strength. It will also determine the shapes of the webs.
6.) cuff- All of these parts are awesome, but we are going to have problems if we have to lug them around. This should incorperate all of these and make it look decently fashionable.

 

[Ben Rielly]

Sorry but no. I'm new to this forum. The names A.J. Anyway, the design I had was for a fishing line that held up to 500lbs, but was 2mm thick. Plus the metal one was too heavy when spooled, and the nylon one was too..Nylonish? Hahaha. That would be alright. I wouldn't mind making the fluid. I might alter it here and there to make it my own. Like red color dye or something. I was thinking of other things of that nature for the purposes of ACTUAL crime fighting. Say, putting a paralysing agent that numbs the skin in it or something. Much like a spider would with its venom. Just a thought. Never the less I wish you guys the best in your quests for "web slinging action" as Stan Lee would say.


On a random note, has anyone heard of a Venom spin-off movie?? I read an article with Todd McFarlane and said there might be one.

 

[JMA610]

Sorry but no. I'm new to this forum. The names A.J. Anyway, the design I had was for a fishing line that held up to 500lbs, but was 2mm thick. Plus the metal one was too heavy when spooled, and the nylon one was too..Nylonish? Hahaha. That would be alright. I wouldn't mind making the fluid. I might alter it here and there to make it my own. Like red color dye or something. I was thinking of other things of that nature for the purposes of ACTUAL crime fighting. Say, putting a paralysing agent that numbs the skin in it or something. Much like a spider would with its venom. Just a thought. Never the less I wish you guys the best in your quests for "web slinging action" as Stan Lee would say.


On a random note, has anyone heard of a Venom spin-off movie?? I read an article with Todd McFarlane and said there might be one.

Thanks. And yah, I heard about that. I'm not sure how they are going to do that though, as he was only in like 20 minutes of spiderman 3, which is not much to work with.

 

[JMA610]

Guys, --------- ------- is non polar. If we add water and a surfactant, we can make it foam. What I think we should focus on now is the shooters.

From what I can tell, we need four things to make a shooter and six if you want to make a good one.

1.) containment unit- This is what we like to call cartridges. It holds the fluid and pressure.
2.) Tubing with containment opening additions- It takes the fluid from the "cartridges" and allows it through the tubing.
3.)The valve- starting and stopping the flow of web fluid to leave the tube.
4.) pressure- Whether we decide to go with liquid propellant or co2, we need a way to let it enter the cartridge at controlled rate.

extras

4.) spinnerette- helps give the fluid definition and shape. Depending on the type of fluid, it can increase the strength. It will also determine the shapes of the webs.
5.) cuff- All of these parts are awesome, but we are going to have problems if we have to lug them around. This should incorperate all of these and make it look decently fashionable.

Also another surfactant possibility is Sodium laureth sulfate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_laureth_sulfate

Awesome! Inexpensive, commonly found surfactant great for making foam solutions. I like this alot. But there is a rumor that it can cause cancer. I'll look into that a bit more.

 

[White_widow]

Welcome Ben Reilly! It's nice to see that another person is trying to make a webshooter, or it seems you already have when it comes to fishing line. Excellent! I hope the don't make a venom movie. The actor who played Venom just wasn't really Eddie Brock.

Really, it can cause cancer? It's in most shampoos, soaps, and detergents available. I would check and see if those claims were from California.

 

[White_widow]

Alright guys, with a formula still needing to be tested, it's time to work on the shooters (because even if we have the most magical formula in the world, it won't work without a pressurized gas system. This is the namesake of the forum. How to make the spiderman web shooters.

1.) containment unit- Alright guys, to some this has been known as the hardest part. Cartridges are the pressurized containers that hold the fluid. So far we have steel flasks, modified CO2 cartridges, modified Steel nipples, plastic boxes, aluminum tubes, and anything else that won't break if you increase the internal pressure to over 300 psi, though most of the listed cartridges won't hold the amount we want. This is where welding will come in handy, not to mention various kinds of metal intended epoxies.


2.) Tubing with containment opening additions- This should be easy. Depending on your fluid, change this to be a different material. If your formula has PVC, don't use Acetone in your formula. The best is braided Polyethelene, but I don't actually know what to choose because I haven't been to home depot in a while. Be aware that whatever you choose, if it is flexible, will the pressure try to straighten a bent tube?


3.)The valve- This should be relatively easy. Pick a valve that can be activate with a flick of the wrist or a push of a switch. Two things to remember is to check the pressure rating and to not go complicated. Solenoids have been brought up alot, but do you really want to add circuitry to a system of mechanics? If you do, be my guest, but something with a lot of pressure won't be held by a tiny solenoid. These can be metal or plastic. Some types include twisting valves, button valves, solenoid valves, spring valves, etc.


4.) spinnerette- This is the piece of resistance for the web shooter. It must shape the fluid before it dries, dry spin it, and let it out without the possiblities of getting jammed. This is just an optional part, as a valve with a nozzle will still let the fluid come out in a string, but this will maximize the fluids efficiency. I have ideas but this is mostly a changing feature that changes due to the user and their preferences and what they want the shooters for.


5.) cuff- Not much to say for this. Is it made out of rubber, metal, fiberglass, plastic, etc. Find a way to make it fit your arm and stay decently tight.

Now these are the basics but there have been shooters with modifications to fire impact webbing balls (paintballs with military sticky foam core), stingers (poisonous darts), and tracers (little trackable chips. There is an app for that). The are are some tips. Make sure that each part fits perfectly with it's attached part. It's a problem if the valve does not connect to the cuff or tubing.

 

[White_widow]

Here are some examples of web shooters.

These pictures contain all of the basic web shooter designs.