How will the Hulk beat Abomination?

[The Hulk]

“’Cause nothin' lasts forever
Even cold November Rain”

LMFAO t:

 

[Cracker Jack]

“’Cause nothin' lasts forever
Even cold November Rain”

Man I relly miss the good O'l days

 

[FrostBite]

And secondly, how does one “wap” a dictionary?

The same way one thwips, and or snikts.

 

[terry78]

The same way one thwips, and or snikts.

And "kludds" the wife when she talks too much.

 

[FrostBite]

And "kludds" the wife when she talks too much.

my respect for Superman just went up ten-fold.

 

[November Rain]

The Hulk is no more or less of a hero now than he was in 1962. Actually, I take that back; continuity has shown him to be more heroic than he was back then. Thanks for pointing that out.

I now realize that Hollywood is full of people that share your mindset.
“Let’s change the origin for this comic book movie because…well…because it was written a long time ago.”
“…uh…so was the Constitution.”
“Shut up! You’re fired!”

As far as hero/not hero goes, I think it can be summed up as this: The Hulk is not your typical superhero. (Again, this is congruent with how he was intended at his inception…*gasp*…well, then it HAS to be wrong, since everything that’s more than five days old is evil, inaccurate, and should be discarded).

I won't argue this point, here's a thread where some members on this site share my viewpoint, if you wish to think against the grain so be it. Views of hulk being a hero are definitely outdated, it makes banner less relatable and the hulk character incredibly 2d.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=259412&highlight=Hulk+hero

If something or someone has evolved into a more interesting story to tell, then why not tell it. That idea has been taking in animation and in the original series, why regress to telling simple tales. I mean he was grey when he first came out, GASP you're right, let's make him grey now as it was said in the beginning, now and forever shall be

I'll happily keep discussing that with you in that thread.

First of all, there was no searching; it was the FIRST definition…you know…the one that’s considered most common.

And secondly, how does one “wap” a dictionary?
I never said the contrary.
By “America”, I meant…the United States of America; the country in which I reside…the citizens of which that will be responsible for The Incredible Hulk’s domestic box office…not the actors in the movie that are dodging busses and cars.

Here you're covering too many basis. You're first saying that 'awe' was intended to be fearful? now you're saying you want the viewing public to be in awe/scared of the 'Hero' you want him to be portrayed as? It doesn't make sense. You can't have your cake and eat it

and it's wap-out, it really should be hyphenated but that's not important right now

I'll leave out the rest of the stuff on definition, it's just going to derail the thread more.

I’m guessing most likely this one:
An overwhelming feeling of wonder, admiration, and profound respect for someone or something inspired by authority, genius, great beauty, sublimity, or might.

something like that

“’Cause nothin' lasts forever

Even cold November Rain”

I guess that's a guns and roses quote. THe irony is i've never heard the song.

 

[Obi-Ron]

I am shocked and appalled that this poll has no option for "Dance Dance Revolution contest"

 

[TOUGHINGTON]

From the sounds coming my way hulk will win with help. Its the only credible way hell win and maintain the vulnerability that this film is trying to promote to make hulk a character people will associate with throughout the sequals. Is this right hell no. Is this how hulk as a character should be written , of course not, but then hes been written stupidly so often marvel probably think that were all sooooo used to it by now that no one will care. HUlk is limitless in strngth and as such should never lose a physical confrontation , however this rarely gets addressed in comics, or now it appears on film.

 

[FrostBite]

Back on topic, I picked outsmarting, it's not what I WANT I want him to get stronger and kick the loving crap out of him. It's just what some rumblings have mentioned.

As I said, I don't want it, but this is a thread to GUESS WHAT WILL happen, not to say what we want to.

 

[rodhulk]

This fight should end the only way it should, Hulk gets madder, stronger, and defeats the Abomination.

 

[ChillcutZ]

I am shocked and appalled that this poll has no option for "Dance Dance Revolution contest"

i think this man may be onto something here

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Yeah, I guess if I was describing an apple, I shouldn’t call it a fruit, since that’s an “outdated creational reference to describe” it. Calling the Empire State Building a building is actually a disservice; it was only a building way back in the old days…you know…when it was made. And is the Earth REALLY round? I mean, after all, that information is WAY old! The Hulk is no more or less of a hero now than he was in 1962. Actually, I take that back; continuity has shown him to be more heroic than he was back then. Thanks for pointing that out.

I now realize that Hollywood is full of people that share your mindset.
“Let’s change the origin for this comic book movie because…well…because it was written a long time ago.”
“…uh…so was the Constitution.”
“Shut up! You’re fired!”

As far as hero/not hero goes, I think it can be summed up as this: The Hulk is not your typical superhero. (Again, this is congruent with how he was intended at his inception…*gasp*…well, then it HAS to be wrong, since everything that’s more than five days old is evil, inaccurate, and should be discarded).



First of all, there was no searching; it was the FIRST definition…you know…the one that’s considered most common.
And secondly, how does one “wap” a dictionary?



I never said the contrary.
By “America”, I meant…the United States of America; the country in which I reside…the citizens of which that will be responsible for The Incredible Hulk’s domestic box office…not the actors in the movie that are dodging busses and cars.



I’m guessing most likely this one:
An overwhelming feeling of wonder, admiration, and profound respect for someone or something inspired by authority, genius, great beauty, sublimity, or might.

“’Cause nothin' lasts forever
Even cold November Rain”

I enjoy reading ones rebuttals against those who choose not to accept the reality of things. I mean, I agree, the Hulk is a hero. Just not your typical hero. He doesn't don a blue and red suit and intentionally go out and defend people. The Man of Steel chooses to do this. The Hulk was created by accident, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about certain things. I have witnessed in the CB that he will save people, animals, etc., but he just wants to be left alone. The Hulk is a unique hero because the nature of his alter-ego. He doesn't choose to become the Hulk as he is provoked into becoming the emerald beast that he is. That being said, it doesn't matter when he was created. He is now or has become a hero in our eyes and nothing will change that, not even time. So if you are looking for answers, don't, because you will perceive him to be what you choose him to be. A hero, monster, whatever. He is still the Hulk.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

I won't argue this point, here's a thread where some members on this site share my viewpoint, if you wish to think against the grain so be it. Views of hulk being a hero are definitely outdated, it makes banner less relatable and the hulk character incredibly 2d.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=259412&highlight=Hulk+hero

If something or someone has evolved into a more interesting story to tell, then why not tell it. That idea has been taking in animation and in the original series, why regress to telling simple tales. I mean he was grey when he first came out, GASP you're right, let's make him grey now as it was said in the beginning, now and forever shall be

I'll happily keep discussing that with you in that thread.

Here you're covering too many basis. You're first saying that 'awe' was intended to be fearful? now you're saying you want the viewing public to be in awe/scared of the 'Hero' you want him to be portrayed as? It doesn't make sense. You can't have your cake and eat it

and it's wap-out, it really should be hyphenated but that's not important right now

I'll leave out the rest of the stuff on definition, it's just going to derail the thread more.

something like that

I guess that's a guns and roses quote. THe irony is i've never heard the song.

1) You are actually saying covering too many "bases".
2) You meant "whipping" out a dictionary. Don't lie.
3) Can you say hooked-on-phonics?

 

[Lobo]

smash

 

[terry78]

The only thing with Hulk is that he can be easily duped into causing damage if someone says to him that someone else wronged him or insulted him. If Abomination is out causing damage and Hulk witnesses it, he MIGHT go stop him on his own, but if he gets hurt because of it, he definitely will.

 

[ArtTeacher]

1) You are actually saying covering too many "bases".
2) You meant "whipping" out a dictionary. Don't lie.
3) Can you say hooked-on-phonics?

LOL! True enough. For someone whose self-proclaimed weapons are "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ", it seems it's time to sharpen those weapons, eh?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Abomonation is killing people and the last time he fought Hulk they almost destroyed the city. Banner hides away keeping the monster inside then, he knows only the Hulk can stop it. There's a battle inside his mind and the two merge with a sort of "teamwork" and Hulk fights him, only Hulk's losing and Betty is the next target, Hulk gets in a fit and yells "HULK SMASH!" then he owns the **** out of Abomination.

 

[ReturnoftheHulk]

Abomonation is killing people and the last time he fought Hulk they almost destroyed the city. Banner hides away keeping the monster inside then, he knows only the Hulk can stop it. There's a battle inside his mind and the two merge with a sort of "teamwork" and Hulk fights him, only Hulk's losing and Betty is the next target, Hulk gets in a fit and yells "HULK SMASH!" then he owns the **** out of Abomination.

I believe Hulk is in a great battle and maybe on the verge of losing....Until he sees Betty in trouble and knows the only way to save her is to overcome Abomination. I think he does and pummels him after going into a rage. If he yells a Hulk quote before he does, I'll wet my pants, lol.t:

OFF TOPIC:
I just got home and was told about Heath Ledger's death and said no way, you must be talking about Brad Renfro and they said no, Heath Ledger. ****, this is so bad. Such a young talent and cut short because of his schedule. He wasn't able to sleep too much during his Joker role in TDK. He resorts to sleeping pills. Sad. At least he is with God now. R.I.P.

 

[November Rain]

1) You are actually saying covering too many "bases".
2) You meant "whipping" out a dictionary. Don't lie.
3) Can you say hooked-on-phonics?

Try not to de-rail your own thread with points that 'really' don't matter....
First point was a slip and 'wap' is colloquial in the uk.

LOL! True enough. For someone whose self-proclaimed weapons are "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ", it seems it's time to sharpen those weapons, eh?

bravo

 

[November Rain]

I enjoy reading ones rebuttals against those who choose not to accept the reality of things. I mean, I agree, the Hulk is a hero. Just not your typical hero. He doesn't don a blue and red suit and intentionally go out and defend people. The Man of Steel chooses to do this. The Hulk was created by accident, but that doesn't mean he doesn't care about certain things. I have witnessed in the CB that he will save people, animals, etc., but he just wants to be left alone. The Hulk is a unique hero because the nature of his alter-ego. He doesn't choose to become the Hulk as he is provoked into becoming the emerald beast that he is. That being said, it doesn't matter when he was created. He is now or has become a hero in our eyes and nothing will change that, not even time. So if you are looking for answers, don't, because you will perceive him to be what you choose him to be. A hero, monster, whatever. He is still the Hulk.

This is for both yourself and Artteacher.

The fact he's born out of anger, a side of ourselves we are supposed to keep in check if we are civilised is one thing.

The fact that he (and not banner) reacts to situations and isn't a proactive hero, patrolling and making sure they are around when danger is there is also another thing.

The fact that the hulk makes no distinction between heroes and villains and only acts accordingly completely dependant on his emotions are another. One day he may save you, the other day he may hunt you down.

I admit he doesn't generally like innocents getting hurt but neither does the average man. Just because people are in a priveledged position to help people and they sometimes do (for their best interest), I don't believe that makes them heroes. Should a multi-billionaire who donates money primarily to get tax cuts be seen as a hero?

I mean the dillemma comes with Bruce and his acceptance of his alter ego. If the hulk was truelly a 'Hero' then bruce should have no problems with his transformations since they are all going to be heroic events and he'll get praised. This isn't the case though and bruce wants to get rid of the hulk because when he comes through, he sees the violence and witnesses some harm (albeit it may have been worse if the hulk wasn't there to protect people but he doesn't have that perspective) and gets the notion that the beast in unreliable. Just like in ultimate avengers when the hulk had finished being heroic, he got madder and madder and then became a problem.

Just like how an untrained dog give early warnings of a housefire to its owners and save their lives, only to visciously bite one the next day. Is the dog a hero or did it just react on instinct during the fire to save its own bacon?

Although the character remains the same in the medium, I feel that perhaps your simplistic view (no offence) of 'hero-but not usual type' does a great misservice to perhaps the most complex character in marvel's history. Bruce banner's multiple personality disorder and how it manifests itself and how all his parts are trying to come to terms with one another shouldn't be summed up in the same way one would describe wolverine or venom.

By saying that, I feel that you are misrepresenting him to third parties, just like he was misrepresented in that way with ang's film and everyone else (I know you get the character but for those who don't) come out going....

wtf...

see what i mean? If not, i've covered my corner and let this get back to abomination bashing.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

One thing to add was that in the comics when Banner's mind was in charge of the Hulk's in the early eighties, he dropped out of the hero business saying he was no hero. However, as the professor, he did act as a hero heading a team with missions in mind. The current Hulk was never a hero as much as someone who reacts to situations with good intentions in mind.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I see a brutal battle like at the end of Unleashed. Neither is obviously better throughout, until the final blow comes out of nowhere.

 

[ReturnoftheHulk]

This is for both yourself and Artteacher.

The fact he's born out of anger, a side of ourselves we are supposed to keep in check if we are civilised is one thing.

The fact that he (and not banner) reacts to situations and isn't a proactive hero, patrolling and making sure they are around when danger is there is also another thing.

The fact that the hulk makes no distinction between heroes and villains and only acts accordingly completely dependant on his emotions are another. One day he may save you, the other day he may hunt you down.

I admit he doesn't generally like innocents getting hurt but neither does the average man. Just because people are in a priveledged position to help people and they sometimes do (for their best interest), I don't believe that makes them heroes. Should a multi-billionaire who donates money primarily to get tax cuts be seen as a hero?

I mean the dillemma comes with Bruce and his acceptance of his alter ego. If the hulk was truelly a 'Hero' then bruce should have no problems with his transformations since they are all going to be heroic events and he'll get praised. This isn't the case though and bruce wants to get rid of the hulk because when he comes through, he sees the violence and witnesses some harm (albeit it may have been worse if the hulk wasn't there to protect people but he doesn't have that perspective) and gets the notion that the beast in unreliable. Just like in ultimate avengers when the hulk had finished being heroic, he got madder and madder and then became a problem.

Just like how an untrained dog give early warnings of a housefire to its owners and save their lives, only to visciously bite one the next day. Is the dog a hero or did it just react on instinct during the fire to save its own bacon?

Although the character remains the same in the medium, I feel that perhaps your simplistic view (no offence) of 'hero-but not usual type' does a great misservice to perhaps the most complex character in marvel's history. Bruce banner's multiple personality disorder and how it manifests itself and how all his parts are trying to come to terms with one another shouldn't be summed up in the same way one would describe wolverine or venom.

By saying that, I feel that you are misrepresenting him to third parties, just like he was misrepresented in that way with ang's film and everyone else (I know you get the character but for those who don't) come out going....

wtf...

see what i mean? If not, i've covered my corner and let this get back to abomination bashing.

Well written, but what you fail to realize is that the "original" origin of the Hulk was not one of anger, but because of the night when he was a grey Hulk. They then decided to alter his character now to manifest itself through that emotion. He also does possess or maintain part of his persona (banner) as the Hulk, but Hulk does not like Banner because of his weakness (physical). The Hulk has become a hero and while he sits on the fence on some issues, he still does not hunt anyone down. The only time this has happened was being pissed at the other Heros during Planet Hulk. The character throughout the years has always been one of provocation. That was the only time he manifested. Whether his character was modified through various writers over the decades doesn't make your point valid. It affords you an excuse to validate an opinion. Let me simplify this. The Hulk was indeed created by accident. The books never spoke of him being a hero or not, but he was later part of the Avengers (heros) and the Defenders (heros). He was just a wild child in theory. Always being harassed by Ross and enemies. What do you expect. Yes, he destroyed stuff, but unintentionally. It was always fighting a enemy. Being simplistic is not a bad thing. Its straight forward, to the point. You say "I mean the problem comes with Bruce and his acceptance of his alter ego. If the hulk were really a 'Hero' then Bruce should have no problem with his transformations since they are all going to be heroic events and he'll get praised." If you know the character you would realize the only reason Banner doesn't like his alter-ego is for a lack of controlling him and the destruction he causes fighting baddies. You get the point. If he could as he has in the Prelude to Planet Hulk, he'd be just fine with it. BTW, in the issue I mention, he has control and saves a women from being raped. Hmmm, sounds pretty heroic to me. Nuff said.

 

[Moridin]

I think Hulk should win by kicking Abom in the nuts.

I don't care how strong you are, if Hulk kicks you in the nuts then the battle is overt:

 

[Obi-Ron]

Can't argue with that.