The Incredible Hulk & The Abomination fight scene

[November Rain]

As far as everyone had known, Banner's "Condition" had been cured. he was also tranquilized.

That's false logic.

If banner had been cured and they all thought so, The army wouldn't be taking him in, rather the police would since he was no longer a danger

Ross would no longer have a reason to hunt him

Banner would be more cautious about throwing him out of a plane

So would betty.

Abomination wouldn't have gone stirring trouble looking for a fight in the first place.

 

[honest george]

That's false logic.

If banner had been cured and they all thought so, The army wouldn't be taking him in, rather the police would since he was no longer a danger

Ross would no longer have a reason to hunt him

Banner would be more cautious about throwing him out of a plane

So would betty.

Abomination wouldn't have gone stirring trouble looking for a fight in the first place.

I agree, you don't let a cured Banner throw himself out of a perfectly functional helicopter. Unless Ross figures it was aquick way to have him out of Betty's lovelife.

"Wait Daddy, Bruce was cured!"
"Oh..oh yeah. Well, darn."

 

[Obi-Ron]

There is also the possibility that Ross and company still wanted to study Banner.

 

[Rich Santoro]

"Wait Daddy, Bruce was cured!"
"Oh..oh yeah. Well, darn."

LOL... look for that on Robot Chicken.

 

[lou2099]

You gotta admit, he sure f_cked up Blonsky with that car.

 

[TrekBiker]

^ That's a seriously flawed argument. The idea that we need to see Spider-man get his ass kicked before Hulk steps in and saves the day is more or less completely absurd.

I'm not saying you need to have that (I agree it would be pretty tacky if that actually happened), I'm just saying it would give a better perspective. If everyone throws around cars like it's nothing, you start to take it for granted when actually it is quite insane.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

As much as I didn't wanna admit it, the final battle didn't end up how i imagined. It started off perfect, then went downhill. I wanted nothing but face to face, duking it out, and the only time that really happened we saw beforehand in the clip.

 

[Mr. Joker]

Actually, they duked it out the entire time. I do think it could've been longer, but to date it stands out as the best final comic book fight in a movie in my mind.

 

[tdeverea]

I didn't see any threads on this, unless they're incorporated in other thread conversations.

So here it goes... I never understood how the Hulk defeated the Abomination after that long choke hold. It's apparent that "Bomy" is far stronger than the Hulk, but yet in the end, he appeared to be completely incapacitated and exhausted. Given, most people need a moment to regain their senses after a confrontation like that, but for him to just lay there while the Hulk kicked his limp body around a couple of times and do a "King Kong" move by putting his foot on Bomy's chest and yell... It just didn't seem realistic for it to end just like that.

I was expecting Bomy to get up and continue to fight, or at least show some sign of struggle to get up. But even when you really think about it and all the possibilities on how it could end - how could it just fizzle out like that? Let's not forget about the fact that the Army has no possible was to keep Bomy in custody...

Were you fine with the way the movie ended, or would you have preferred a more finite conclusion on destroying the Abomination?

If I'm not mistaken, Hulk crushes Abom's sternum (or they allude to it) after he chokes him with that heavy chain. They don't show the foot actually crushing the chest but Hulk looks down as he's lifting his foot and you hear something crush (you can see some force on Hulk's face). It didn't sound like concrete (even the second time I saw the movie) so I assume he crushed the sternum to incapacitate him more. I could be wrong though.

I enjoyed the fight tremendously but I did want to see Hulk put more fists to Abomination's face. Hopefully they'll have an extended, more detailed fight for the DVD. I can dream, right?

 

[Mr. Joker]

No, he didn't crush his sternum. The foot on his chest was to show his dominance.

 

[LostSon88]

You can defiantely hear a :crunch: when Hulk twists his foot at the end of the fight...

I gathered that The Abomination, once bested by The Hulk, was tired, yes, but he just seemed to give up there, knowing he'd met his master. That's how the scene is played, with Hulk standing over him, etc.

Exactly.

Abomination was spent after being nearly choked to death and essentially, conceded defeat by simply not fighting back.

I liked it.

 

[myway]

I just watched the movie with my friends (second time for me, first time for them) and we can't seem to figure out why Betty screamed "No!" when it looked like the Hulk was going to kill the Abomination. Do you guys think she felt like killing the Abomination was just not right because he didn't deserve to die or was it that she saw the Hulk getting really into what he was doing and didn't want him to get out of control. I thought the later but my friends suggested the former and now both seem to make sense so what do you guys think?

 

[dcHulk]

^^The Hulk is not a killer, he just wants to be left alone and will do what it takes to achieve that. Betty has served as the "grounding" of both Bruce and the Hulk. She doesn't want him to become a killer. Her scream was the voice of reason for the Hulk. This theme of "the Hulk is not a killer" was also explored from the tv show perspective.

Unfortunately, this underlying theme was compromised a bit when the Hulk was facing the military. I know that after those fights there had to be a body count.

 

[November Rain]

I just realised that blonsky hit his head on that chained boulder thing he was swinging on while his leg slipped into the crack.

This probably aided the hulk's victory.

 

[November Rain]

You gotta admit, he sure f_cked up Blonsky with that car.

THe hulk did more damage to the car he was using to smash up blonsky than it did to blonsky. After that barrage all he did was spit out some blood. He gave the hulk one kick and he was down for a considerable amount of time.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I hated the use of the chain (all the way around)... I hated that the Hulk was so groggy and reeling from the initial throw that Abom gave him... I hated that the "HULK SMASH" only caused a cartoon zig-zag crack, rather that caving in the entire street causing Abom to fall through (or worse yet, that he didn't use the smash on Abom himself)... I hated the dangling from the helicopter scene... I hated that the Hulk didn't win by becoming enraged and voercoming Abom (they started to depict that in the stand-off after Hulk pulled the elbow spur out of his chest... but then they let it go, and the chain scene began)... I hated that they didn't have more things thrown, like cars, light poles, dumpsters, each other... I hated so many aspects of that fight.

Not just because of what went on, but also because of what didn't go on...

 

[November Rain]

yeah, it was a big letdown and they really hyped it up.

i also hated how they released the best bit of the entire fight beforehand making you think there was better stuff to come when that was really it. Same with the blonsky encounter.

 

[Kirmit]

Much as I loved the film and the final fight, it could've and imo should've been so much more. With two creatures as powerful as Hulk and Abomination, we should've got much more destruction, it should've been more brutal.

 

[myway]

I don't agree with the Hulk (or most heroes) not being a killer when we're talking about villains. Blonsky wasn't there to shake hands with the Hulk. Although he may have begun by working for the military, at this point Blonksky wanted nothing more than to be powerful and it looked like he would have killed the Hulk had he got the chance. I saw no restraint on the part of Blonsky so why should Hulk be so obliged?

 

[chronoic]

Well the first time I say this fight I was a bit disappointed, but then I saw it a second time it did get better, I enjoyed it. Seeing the movies a 8th time now and I got to admit every time I am more impress with CG, the detail of the fight, all the scratches and the dusk on the two CGI body’s. Must just be just that I expected more the first time.

I think the Police car thing use for more than damage, from what I see, it looks like Abomb hit it a few time, at first its like why would he use it wouldn’t his hands do more damage but then as I watch it a bit more I think of it as a shield as well to stop Abomb from hitting him too if you slow motion that scene you can see Abomb hit the pieces a few time and hulk feel the force of it.

It is true they did release a lot of the good part of this fight in scenes that they release that is a fact, that is one reason why when I saw it the first time I was disappointed. Even the campus scene as well.

But I don’t know everytime I watch this movie its seems to get better and better, must be me. But IM on the other hand the 1st and 2nd time was great, but now I think its getting boring. Like I said this must just be me.

 

[dcHulk]

I don't agree with the Hulk (or most heroes) not being a killer when we're talking about villains. Blonsky wasn't there to shake hands with the Hulk. Although he may have begun by working for the military, at this point Blonksky wanted nothing more than to be powerful and it looked like he would have killed the Hulk had he got the chance. I saw no restraint on the part of Blonsky so why should Hulk be so obliged?

That's the irony of it all. Most stories will deal with the question of just who is the monster? what makes a monster? what makes a hero. Hulk is a hero, not a monster. As another example, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Dr. Frankenstein was the real monster, and not his creation. The movie played up that there is a stark difference between Abom and Hulk. Abom is a monster (killer). Hulk is not.

 

[myway]

I don't think that killing something that's trying to kill you makes you a monster.

 

[Rich Santoro]

The scream from Betty for Hulk to stop served more than one purpose...

1) It showed the humanity within the Hulk (as Bruce), and control that Bruce was able to have... Hulk wasn't a mindless brute fighting another brute... It was Bruce, trying to "aim" the Hulk with a "purpose"... to stop Abom and his carnage (I don't think that Bruce thought to himself in the helicopter, when he appealed to Ross to let him face Abom... 'let me go down there so that I can kill this beast'). So this was a device to foreshadow how Banner was there at a conscious level, capable of control...

2) It also served as a display, in the difference between Dr. Bruce Banner and Emil Blonsky. A way to identify a hero (it is not just power, it is what motivates the hero as well).

Blonsky was a killer... Sure he was in the military, but it was for the fight, and sense of superiority and dominance. He wanted more serum after the Hulk beat him. He told Ross that he wanted another crack at Banner... He threatened to kill Stearns if he didn't give him the "god-like" powers that Banner had. Contrast to Banner, who wanted to get rid of the Hulk. Then, once Blonsky had the power, being a government sanctioned killer (special ops) didn't matter anymore... he was ready to trash everyone (even Ross). Hulk killed some soldiers, but it was when he was attacked, and in the heat of battle... Conversely, Abom waded through down-town Harlem looking to inflict mayhem and casulties... He chased the soldiers in the damaged HUMV so that he could crush them (ruthlessly killing a taxi driver in the process)... He threw a soldier (a fellow soldier, no less) out the window of the third story lab during the scene when he first emerged in that alley, after his transformation... He kicked some poor bastard into the air for no reason, after he hears the Hulk roar (after Hulk climbed out of the hole in the street).

So, in the final battle, we have a maddenned Hulk with head back and eyes closed, crazed with rage, ready to shear Aboms head clean off... The message is, Blonsky would done that even if totally lucid... Dr. Banner, a man who dedicated his life to science and discovery, who was trying to find a way to save soldiers' lives when he conducted the bio-tech-force-enhancement research in the first place, would not savagely strangle or decapitate someone.

So when Betty yelled 'stop'... we saw control... we saw Bruce. He had Abom defeated... the threat was neutralized... killing him woould have been excess. Banner would not do that... He willingly underwent a tranformation to save people, not to kill. A monsterous Hulk, would, Bruce would not. That is the point.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Chronoic... I agree with you. TIH actually got better the more I watched it. IM, has become flat. However, the final fight scene was still well below what i was hoping for... Kirmit said it best:

With two creatures as powerful as Hulk and Abomination, we should've got much more destruction, it should've been more brutal.

 

[dcHulk]

The scream from Betty for Hulk to stop served more than one purpose...

1) It showed the humanity within the Hulk (as Bruce), and control that Bruce was able to have... Hulk wasn't a mindless brute fighting another brute... It was Bruce, trying to "aim" the Hulk with a "purpose"... to stop Abom and his carnage (I don't think that Bruce thought to himself in the helicopter, when he appealed to Ross to let him face Abom... 'let me go down there so that I can kill this beast'). So this was a device to foreshadow how Banner was there at a conscious level, capable of control...

2) It also served as a display, in the difference between Dr. Bruce Banner and Emil Blonsky. A way to identify a hero (it is not just power, it is what motivates the hero as well).

Blonsky was a killer... Sure he was in the military, but it was for the fight, and sense of superiority and dominance. He wanted more serum after the Hulk beat him. He told Ross that he wanted another crack at Banner... He threatened to kill Stearns if he didn't give him the "god-like" powers that Banner had. Contrast to Banner, who wanted to get rid of the Hulk. Then, once Blonsky had the power, being a government sanctioned killer (special ops) didn't matter anymore... he was ready to trash everyone (even Ross). Hulk killed some soldiers, but it was when he was attacked, and in the heat of battle... Conversely, Abom waded through down-town Harlem looking to inflict mayhem and casulties... He chased the soldiers in the damaged HUMV so that he could crush them (ruthlessly killing a taxi driver in the process)... He threw a soldier (a fellow soldier, no less) out the window of the third story lab during the scene when he first emerged in that alley, after his transformation... He kicked some poor bastard into the air for no reason, after he hears the Hulk roar (after Hulk climbed out of the hole in the street).

So, in the final battle, we have a maddenned Hulk with head back and eyes closed, crazed with rage, ready to shear Aboms head clean off... The message is, Blonsky would done that even if totally lucid... Dr. Banner, a man who dedicated his life to science and discovery, who was trying to find a way to save soldiers' lives when he conducted the bio-tech-force-enhancement research in the first place, would not savagely strangle or decapitate someone.

So when Betty yelled 'stop'... we saw control... we saw Bruce. He had Abom defeated... the threat was neutralized... killing him woould have been excess. Banner would not do that... He willingly underwent a tranformation to save people, not to kill. A monsterous Hulk, would, Bruce would not. That is the point.

Good post. Exactly what I was getting at.