The Incredible Hulk & The Abomination fight scene

[Sarg92]

I think the reason the fight wasn't so big was due to money and R&H not having enough time.

In the first draft, the fight is much longer and a lot more happens. When Hulk and Abomination run at each other, Hulk is tossed into a shopping mall, instead of the police car boxing glove scene, and then Abomination and Hulk both fight each other inside a mall with civilians screaming and running around. Abomination uses the chain from an escaltor as a whip to attack Hulk. We had Hulk attacking Abomination a lot with his fists. Then the fight moved on from inside the mall to outside. Can't remember what else was written but it was a lot of stuff. I think Abomination used some steel girder as a weapon and threw it at the helicopter which has Ross and Betty inside but the helicopter dodges the throw but then crashes as the pilot can't control it. But Hulk smashing the ground created a huge fissure in the ground with Abomination stepping into it and Hulk choking him with the chain and then breaking Abomination's neck to kill him.

One thing I want to know about the fight we saw in the film was when Abomination jumps on top of the crashed helicopter and growls at Hulk. Why does Hulk look up at Abomination all calm like he doesn't want to fight then looks down at the ground and then becomes angry and snarls back as if he is forcing himself to become angry.

I thought it could be because after the failed cure attempt, there is more Banner input in Hulk's mind and Hulk is calmed down when by Betty a lot quicker cos Hulk was looking at the helicopter to see Betty, all calm, but when Abomination turned up then he turned angry.

 

[chronoic]

Chronoic... I agree with you. TIH actually got better the more I watched it. IM, has become flat. However, the final fight scene was still well below what i was hoping for... Kirmit said it best:

Yea it is less than what I was expecting too, the final fight scene I was hoping a little more or things flying around and such, a little of Transformers final fight kind of destruction feel: or even better the 1st army fight vs robot of transformers. There is so many cars why not toss a few of them? It did feel a lot like a street fight more rather than 2 powerful monsters fighting.

About what Hulk reaction thing when abomb is still alive after the crash, well that’s to put character into him, they didn’t want hulk to say “what do I have to do to beat this guy” but instead he uses the emotion of here we go again: then he angers up.

 

[dark_b]

I think the reason the fight wasn't so big was due to money and R&H not having enough time.

In the first draft, the fight is much longer and a lot more happens. When Hulk and Abomination run at each other, Hulk is tossed into a shopping mall, instead of the police car boxing glove scene, and then Abomination and Hulk both fight each other inside a mall with civilians screaming and running around. Abomination uses the chain from an escaltor as a whip to attack Hulk. We had Hulk attacking Abomination a lot with his fists. Then the fight moved on from inside the mall to outside. Can't remember what else was written but it was a lot of stuff. I think Abomination used some steel girder as a weapon and threw it at the helicopter which has Ross and Betty inside but the helicopter dodges the throw but then crashes as the pilot can't control it. But Hulk smashing the ground created a huge fissure in the ground with Abomination stepping into it and Hulk choking him with the chain and then breaking Abomination's neck to kill him.

One thing I want to know about the fight we saw in the film was when Abomination jumps on top of the crashed helicopter and growls at Hulk. Why does Hulk look up at Abomination all calm like he doesn't want to fight then looks down at the ground and then becomes angry and snarls back as if he is forcing himself to become angry.

I thought it could be because after the failed cure attempt, there is more Banner input in Hulk's mind and Hulk is calmed down when by Betty a lot quicker cos Hulk was looking at the helicopter to see Betty, all calm, but when Abomination turned up then he turned angry.

in TIH hulk looked to me like he never wanted to fight. but they always attack him.

so he really doesnt want to fight ABO anymore. like he is sad and then he has enough and will finish him.
ohh yeah ABO again owns hulk so it made no sense IMO.

 

[Snikt]

One thing I want to know about the fight we saw in the film was when Abomination jumps on top of the crashed helicopter and growls at Hulk. Why does Hulk look up at Abomination all calm like he doesn't want to fight then looks down at the ground and then becomes angry and snarls back as if he is forcing himself to become angry.

I found this to be more of a comedic moment. To me, the expression on the Hulk's face was: "Oh, you gotta be kidding me!"

He couldn't believe the Abomination was still standing, after having a big friggin' helicopter crash down on him.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hey...speaking of this scene...anyone notice/hear the scream when Abomination looks into the gapping hole at the side of the building? On the right hand side, you see a human being glancing toward Abomination and he lets out a girly scream. haha. I was in bed while watching TIH and I couldn't stop laughing for five minutes after I heard the scream.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

The scream from Betty for Hulk to stop served more than one purpose...

1) It showed the humanity within the Hulk (as Bruce), and control that Bruce was able to have... Hulk wasn't a mindless brute fighting another brute... It was Bruce, trying to "aim" the Hulk with a "purpose"... to stop Abom and his carnage (I don't think that Bruce thought to himself in the helicopter, when he appealed to Ross to let him face Abom... 'let me go down there so that I can kill this beast'). So this was a device to foreshadow how Banner was there at a conscious level, capable of control...

2) It also served as a display, in the difference between Dr. Bruce Banner and Emil Blonsky. A way to identify a hero (it is not just power, it is what motivates the hero as well).

Blonsky was a killer... Sure he was in the military, but it was for the fight, and sense of superiority and dominance. He wanted more serum after the Hulk beat him. He told Ross that he wanted another crack at Banner... He threatened to kill Stearns if he didn't give him the "god-like" powers that Banner had. Contrast to Banner, who wanted to get rid of the Hulk. Then, once Blonsky had the power, being a government sanctioned killer (special ops) didn't matter anymore... he was ready to trash everyone (even Ross). Hulk killed some soldiers, but it was when he was attacked, and in the heat of battle... Conversely, Abom waded through down-town Harlem looking to inflict mayhem and casulties... He chased the soldiers in the damaged HUMV so that he could crush them (ruthlessly killing a taxi driver in the process)... He threw a soldier (a fellow soldier, no less) out the window of the third story lab during the scene when he first emerged in that alley, after his transformation... He kicked some poor bastard into the air for no reason, after he hears the Hulk roar (after Hulk climbed out of the hole in the street).

So, in the final battle, we have a maddenned Hulk with head back and eyes closed, crazed with rage, ready to shear Aboms head clean off... The message is, Blonsky would done that even if totally lucid... Dr. Banner, a man who dedicated his life to science and discovery, who was trying to find a way to save soldiers' lives when he conducted the bio-tech-force-enhancement research in the first place, would not savagely strangle or decapitate someone.

So when Betty yelled 'stop'... we saw control... we saw Bruce. He had Abom defeated... the threat was neutralized... killing him woould have been excess. Banner would not do that... He willingly underwent a tranformation to save people, not to kill. A monsterous Hulk, would, Bruce would not. That is the point.

Well put.

 

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

I think the reason the fight wasn't so big was due to money and R&H not having enough time.

In the first draft, the fight is much longer and a lot more happens. When Hulk and Abomination run at each other, Hulk is tossed into a shopping mall, instead of the police car boxing glove scene, and then Abomination and Hulk both fight each other inside a mall with civilians screaming and running around. Abomination uses the chain from an escaltor as a whip to attack Hulk. We had Hulk attacking Abomination a lot with his fists. Then the fight moved on from inside the mall to outside. Can't remember what else was written but it was a lot of stuff. I think Abomination used some steel girder as a weapon and threw it at the helicopter which has Ross and Betty inside but the helicopter dodges the throw but then crashes as the pilot can't control it. But Hulk smashing the ground created a huge fissure in the ground with Abomination stepping into it and Hulk choking him with the chain and then breaking Abomination's neck to kill him.

One thing I want to know about the fight we saw in the film was when Abomination jumps on top of the crashed helicopter and growls at Hulk. Why does Hulk look up at Abomination all calm like he doesn't want to fight then looks down at the ground and then becomes angry and snarls back as if he is forcing himself to become angry.

I thought it could be because after the failed cure attempt, there is more Banner input in Hulk's mind and Hulk is calmed down when by Betty a lot quicker cos Hulk was looking at the helicopter to see Betty, all calm, but when Abomination turned up then he turned angry.

Let's say that Hulk was worn out from the battle with the Abomination & that was his way of showing that he was ready for round #2. Hulk also reminded me of a dog in that scene like he had been beaten down so much but was trying to muster enough strength to keep fighting etc.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Hulk also reminded me of a dog in that scene like he had been beaten down so much but was trying to muster enough strength to keep fighting etc.

That is kinds what I got out of it... I didn't care for that moment. Overall, the fight seemed too one sided and Abom was clearly winning the entire time... Hulk looked like he got hurt too easily in several spots.

I would have liked it to be more toe-to-toe the whole time, with Abom gaining only a slight edge here and there (but neither showing much wear, and it just keeps going)... Then have the Hulk get distracted to save Betty from the fire, really providing the moment when things shift towards Abom's favor... That way, Hulk starting to lose looks like a turn of events, rather than him being outclassed. THEN, have Hulk turn the tide with sheer rage... Rage, and becoming more powerful with the rage, is supposed to be Hulk's theme. They didn't sell that in the movie.

I did like how Hulk's shoulders sagged and he sighed with disappointment when the helicopter appeared after the fight... It showed that he wanted to quit running, quit fighting, quit being pursued. It was a good emotional expression for Bruce within the Hulk...

 

[redlion2]

I loved the final fight, thought it was the best I've seen on screen yet even better than Spidey and Doc Ock on the train.

I can understand Abom seeming to just give up by the end of the fight. Blonsky's whole thing throughout the movie was to be more powerful than the Hulk and even after the SS treatments and an infusion of Banner's blood, transforming him into Abom, Hulk was still more powerful than he was. That had to break Blonsky's spirit at that point as he realized he still couldn't beat the Hulk.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Well, I took it that Abom was nearly strangled to death, and his head was nearly ripped off... That is why he fell in a heap (else, he could have started all over again, after the Hulk high-tailed it out of there). It had noting to do with being demoralized.

Moreover, it wasn't so much that the Hulk was more powerful... quite the opposite. The Hulk was face down after Abom trashed him with the chains. He could have pummelled the Hulk, but he turned his attention towards Ross... This gave the Hulk a moment to recover. Then he cracked the ground, and got lucky that Abom lost his grip when he stumbled... Without getting the drop on Abom with the chain, after he stumbled, the Hulk looked like he wasn't going to be able to pull that one off. It should not have been that way...

 

[redlion2]

After Betty screams and Hulk stops choking Abom, the chains become loose. Abom is sitting there breathing hard and Hulk is standing over him doing the same. It's obvious Abom is spent and no longer has the will to fight. Hulk throws him aside, crushes his sternum, stands over him in ultimate triumph and it's ovah! At least that's how I see it.

When Hulk is pinned against the wall by Abom and sees Betty in trouble, he begins to get angrier. He gets stronger, more powerful than Abom at this point and he clearly breaks Abom's grip and begins to pull his arms apart. After Hulk has focused his attention on Betty, Abom has to blindside him in order to get a slight advantage. Thinking the Hulk is no longer an immediate threat, he turns his attention to Ross. Hulk then, gets up and creates the fissure that causes Abom to lose his balance and his grip on the spinning chains. Hulk then seizes the advantage and chokes Abom with his own weapon. As hard as Abom struggles, he can't break free of Hulk. To me, that seems Hulk had become more powerful than Abom when he out-muscled him while against the wall earlier.

Of course, it seems we're seein the same thing only interprating (sp?) it slightly different.

 

[jadejaws]

After Betty screams and Hulk stops choking Abom, the chains become loose. Abom is sitting there breathing hard and Hulk is standing over him doing the same. It's obvious Abom is spent and no longer has the will to fight. Hulk throws him aside, crushes his sternum, stands over him in ultimate triumph and it's ovah! At least that's how I see it.

When Hulk is pinned against the wall by Abom and sees Betty in trouble, he begins to get angrier. He gets stronger, more powerful than Abom at this point and he clearly breaks Abom's grip and begins to pull his arms apart. After Hulk has focused his attention on Betty, Abom has to blindside him in order to get a slight advantage. Thinking the Hulk is no longer an immediate threat, he turns his attention to Ross. Hulk then, gets up and creates the fissure that causes Abom to lose his balance and his grip on the spinning chains. Hulk then seizes the advantage and chokes Abom with his own weapon. As hard as Abom struggles, he can't break free of Hulk. To me, that seems Hulk had become more powerful than Abom when he out-muscled him while against the wall earlier.

Of course, it seems we're seein the same thing only interprating (sp?) it slightly different.

I agree with your post...that's exactly how I saw it.

 

[chronoic]

After Betty screams and Hulk stops choking Abom, the chains become loose. Abom is sitting there breathing hard and Hulk is standing over him doing the same. It's obvious Abom is spent and no longer has the will to fight. Hulk throws him aside, crushes his sternum, stands over him in ultimate triumph and it's ovah! At least that's how I see it.

When Hulk is pinned against the wall by Abom and sees Betty in trouble, he begins to get angrier. He gets stronger, more powerful than Abom at this point and he clearly breaks Abom's grip and begins to pull his arms apart. After Hulk has focused his attention on Betty, Abom has to blindside him in order to get a slight advantage. Thinking the Hulk is no longer an immediate threat, he turns his attention to Ross. Hulk then, gets up and creates the fissure that causes Abom to lose his balance and his grip on the spinning chains. Hulk then seizes the advantage and chokes Abom with his own weapon. As hard as Abom struggles, he can't break free of Hulk. To me, that seems Hulk had become more powerful than Abom when he out-muscled him while against the wall earlier.

Of course, it seems we're seein the same thing only interprating (sp?) it slightly different.

I agree with you on this, Abomb was the strongest one at the start, but at the point of the wall scene I can see Hulk did get mad and stronger than Abomb, if you look at bombs reaction as Hulk grab both his hands and push him off Hulk. You can see that Abomb was struggling to push hulk back into the wall, while Hulk just pus him back.

I think the point of Abomb using the chain was the same reason as to why hulk use the Car, to gain an advantage, to saw that hulk was getting stronger than him.

 

[Rich Santoro]

To me, that seems Hulk had become more powerful than Abom when he out-muscled him while against the wall earlier.

Agreed... That was a moment where Hulk overpowered Abom. But it was very brief. Overall, I was unimpressed with how they depicted the Hulk's power... They just didn't sell me on his sheer power and rage. But like you said...

Of course, it seems we're seein the same thing only interprating (sp?) it slightly different.

I agree on this... It was great action... I just thought that the fight choreagraphy was weak, and they did Hulk an injustice. Maybe I am not giving Abom enough credit, thereby not appreciating how tough it was for the Hulk. Anyway... it is just a matter of perspective and taste I suppose. Peace...