How would you incorporate the X-Men into the MCU?

[psylockolussus]

Justno.

 

[DrCosmic]

I can't even understand what you mean by this?

Look... The movies take precedence over everything else now. Accept that they have yet to give AoS any importance in connection to the films and it doesn't take a big leap to understand that the X-Men as a property are a lot more important (read:Worth A Hell Of A Lot More Money To Disney) to Marvel Studios than one network TV show that's never really been all that popular and another show that was stillborn in it's conception from get go (THE INHUMANS 8 parter).

They aren't going to even bother taking into account the stories from the ABC shows when it comes to shaping the MCU or figuring out how to place the X-Men into it. And honestly, how is this not obvious? How many seasons has AoS been limping along? And in that time has any plot, revelation or event from the show actually been referenced or actually affected the films? Do you really think the film division has ever once had a mandate "not to copy or contradict" the AoS show?

If the choice comes down to "contradict the continuity of AoS" or "Do X, Y, Z with our newly acquired and proven popular, well known and profitable X-Men franchise regardless of AoS" I can bet you a million Internet points what Kevin Feige and Marvel are gonna to do based on common sense.

I don't think you can do 17 films and 5 seasons of a TV show in the same world without contradicting unless you have things in place to make sure you don't. There is a connection, but AoS is clearly the increasingly red headed step child of the MCU. Dr. List went from AoS to AoU, Fury has bone back and forth. At this point, it is perceived to be in continuity, and purposefully so, so now breaking that brings into question the MCU's continuity, as all perceived continuity is not now continuity. Which spreads. Is it a multiverse thing? Is Charlie Cox's Daredevil the same one from Chris Evans' world?

I'm not saying that X-Men doesn't trump all that, I'm just thinking that IF there is a way to somehow keep people from logically concluding that AoS is some kind of elseworld's tale, that the MCU will choose to do that.

the thing about going with an origin story is...

you still have to explain how older mutants like Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine/Sabertooth,...ect already have existed for the this long unnoticed... an if Mutants goes back that far, why it is only recently that it's become so wide spread

Isn't it crazy how much the world has changed in 20 years. No one wondered about this in 2000, because anonymity, genetic and otherwise, was so much more feasible back then.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D and the mortar filling in the cracks of ideals between movies is not the only problem. The source material mutant stories forced in prematurely doesn't fit with the world Thor was temporarily exiled to, or the Hammer drones flying around looking for a buyer.

A few secret mutants can fit, not mutant communities and teams banded together to fight nothing that has been shown to happen from Steve Rogers going through his experiment to Daisy Johnson and Raina going through terragenesis and a mention of an exponential increase from enhanced beings by Vision in The Age of Ultron

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I have a feeling whatever the fallout is from Avengers 4 will lead to the dawn of the mutants. Perhaps something with The Infinity Stones will awaken the x gene in dormant mutants, thus making them a rising race, which humans start to fear. If this is the route Marvel goes they can still keep Magneto’s and Logan’s WW 2 origin (to Cap) and just say that Mutants were not a high population and those who are mutants lived in hiding, hence we already get the morlocks, and fear. The government and programs like Weapon X secretly have been kidnapping and studying mutants for years.

 

[Tg11]

Steve Rogers/Captain America during his time of hiding, after the events of Civil War has been travelling around the world. He comes across a man from his time in World War II, a man who he clearly identifies because he had not aged a single day since that time. He remembers the man as James Howlett who was sent to Japan as a spy to gather intel. James identifies himself as Logan and tells Steve about his ability to heal along with the incident when he experienced the bombing on Hiroshima up close and since then chose to avoid any war. For a long time well for decades and decades he has managed to successfully lay low. However, Logan/Wolverine somehow fell into the hands of Baron von Strucker who studies him and in an attempt to weaponize him coats his skeleton in a very rare metal which we would know to be adamantium because of its virtual indestructibility. Of course, no one can hold Logan long enough against his will. He finally frees himself and flees. But Strucker was fascinated by the idea of beings who could be enhanced genetically hence the X-gene coming into play and so he establishes a secret human enhancement program which ultimately ends up with Strucker finding Pietro and Wanda as shown in Age of Ultron. However, most of the enhancement experiments that Strucker tried out failed and result in death of the subjects since they lack the X-gene and hence only two of them could be successfully created.

Fast forward to end of Infinity War. Thanos has successfully gathered all the infinity stones by the end of Infinity War. In Avengers 4, Steve is finally able to contact Logan and gets him to help the team in fighting Thanos. The battle with Thanos becomes more and more intense and by the end, though Thanos is defeated a few of the heroes in the MCU also had to lose their lives Vision being among them as well. Wanda/Scarlet Witch overwhelmed by the loss of team members and especially Vision unknowingly whispers, “We were not enough. I wish there were more of us” opposite of what she did in ‘House of M’ where she says “no more mutants” and almost all the mutations disappear.


The movie finally ends with a few heroes dead and other heroes taking their mantle.

Post credit scene: We see a bald man in a wheelchair who we know to be Professor Charles Xavier watching a news broadcast about a worldwide panic when people suddenly started to show certain super abilities (some people might even call them “the gift”. The man says to himself, “I never imagined that I would witness such a day in my lifetime.”

Builds up to X-Men's rebooted franchise under Feige under the Marvel umbrella quite nicely.

 

[Protar]

I don't think we'll be getting an X-men movie proper for quite a while. Not til 2023/2024, after Avengers 5. But phase 4 could do a lot to seed mutants in the MCU.

Start by introducing Namor and Storm into the Black Panther franchise. This establishes that there have always been mutants with activated X-genes throughout history, but they're rare and have often been mistaken for demigods.

Next, you have the rumoured Eternals film. This is the key. You explain the backstory of the Celestials experimenting on humans, creating the Eternals who have since left Earth but also leaving loose ends in the form of the mostly latent X-genes within humans. At the end of the movie the Eternals return to Earth and through some event, X-genes across the world are activated.

Next, a Captain Britain film retooled to position the Captain and Psylocke as co-leads. Psylocke would be our first look at a modern mutant. The Captain Britain film would primarily centre around arthurian lore, but it would also be the first film set in this new era of mutants.

Finally, The X-men launches. The presence of older mutants is established, we've explored their cosmic origins, we've seen how mutants live in society. In the film, Xavier is just beginning to teach his first class. Storm has decided to take up an active role in mutant society and while Xavier is the brainchild behind his school, she is his co-principal.

Their first class (consisting of teens and young adults) would include Cyclops, Siryn (instead of Banshee), Sunfire, a female version of Thunderbird and Nightcrawler. Basically, a modern interpretation of the Giant Sized X-men team tweaked a little bit for modern demographics a trimmed a little to allow more focus on characters.

 

[Silvermoth]

After the catastrophe in infinity war, people just decide they were better off without superheroes, t’challa goes back to Wakanda, carol to space etc. people just get sick of it.

And then, to make matters worse instead of adults mostly who they trust to handle stuff and still get plenty wrong, suddenly all these teenagers get superpowers and people get scared which leads to hate and crackdowns. Magneto turning up and ripping up half of New York just makes matters worse and people DESPISE mutants. And then we begin

 

[Creo]

I really don't think mutants can exist with the government knowing about them. There simply too much government in the films where the mutants would have become known, especially with General Ross.

I really hope they stay in their own universe. I think having widespread mutants would break the already strained premise that the heroes aren't constantly helping each other with their problems and enemies, but having another 10+ main characters and thousands more would make it impossible to believe. I would also despise having the MCU turn into the X Universe version 2.

I also enjoy Marvel taking risks and developing lesser known characters. I can't see Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Captain Marvel (and future Ms Marvel), and others getting worked on with the big guns in the room.

 

[Protar]

I really don't think mutants can exist with the government knowing about them. There simply too much government in the films where the mutants would have become known, especially with General Ross.

I really hope they stay in their own universe. I think having widespread mutants would break the already strained premise that the heroes aren't constantly helping each other with their problems and enemies, but having another 10+ main characters and thousands more would make it impossible to believe. I would also despise having the MCU turn into the X Universe version 2.

I also enjoy Marvel taking risks and developing lesser known characters. I can't see Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, Captain Marvel (and future Ms Marvel), and others getting worked on with the big guns in the room.

I trust Marvel with their properties. I don't think they will rush the X-men out at the expense of the other franchises; the MCU is fully booked until 2022, it's only after that point that the X-men will appear.

 

[Creo]

I trust Marvel with their properties. I don't think they will rush the X-men out at the expense of the other franchises; the MCU is fully booked until 2022, it's only after that point that the X-men will appear.

But it still runs into the issue of bringing in a ton of characters. It's either hamstring them and only have a handful of mutants, or bring them in like the comics/movies and have too many powered beings in the MCU. It works fine in comics with 60 comics a month, but I see it becoming a big issue with the MCU.

I think they'd work better, and would get fleshed out much better, if made by Marvel in a seperate universe.

 

[Protar]

But it still runs into the issue of bringing in a ton of characters. It's either hamstring them and only have a handful of mutants, or bring them in like the comics/movies and have too many powered beings in the MCU. It works fine in comics with 60 comics a month, but I see it becoming a big issue with the MCU.

I think they'd work better, and would get fleshed out much better, if made by Marvel in a seperate universe.

I don't why it wouldn't work. The MCU is already a universe where powered people are not considered unusual. So long as they have an activation event, rather than trying to tell us that mutants have always been here, then it works for me. Obviously, it would have a huge impact on the makeup of the MCU but that kind of shakeup is needed after so long.

 

[Captain Marvel]

My hope would be as follows:

1) Magneto has decelerated aging, as others have suggested. The Holocaust is absolutely integral to his character (Just as Vietnam is integral to the Punisher, which is why I think later versions of the Punisher have suffered, because they tried to tie him to other wars, but it's just not the same. More recent wars just are not Vietnam).

2) Mutants have existed in small numbers for thousands of years, but there's been a recent uptick in their population. Basically, Xavier is born in the generation just before the mutant population boom. He suspects the mutant population is about to explode, realizes the risks inherent in that, so he begins training his X-Men.

3) Similar to X-Men: Evolution, Mutants remain hidden. Partially through the efforts of the government, who want to clamp down on the hysteria. Partially through the efforts of Xavier and the X-Men, with Xavier mind wiping people so they don't remember. Partially through the efforts of Magneto, who's probably providing a home for any evil Mutant that appears on Asteroid M. And partially through the efforts of the Morlocks, who thanks to Caliban are finding the non-human looking Mutants fast and providing them a home.

4) Also similar to X-Men: Evolution, there's an incident which reveals the existence of Mutants to the world. My personal hope would be for it to be a government "whistle blower", like Bolivar Trask, who knows that the government is covering up the existence of Mutants and wants to expose them for the world to see (Again, similar to X-Men: Evolution, where Magneto revealed the existence of Mutants to the world in the worst possible way to spark a conflict between Humans and Mutants).

As for why people would hate Mutants? Simple. Just look at what Fury said in Avengers. There was a fear that super-powered individuals were becoming too dangerous and safeguards needed to be in place. And look who we're talking about. Many of the Avengers are just people with gadgets. Black Widow, Hawkeye, Iron Man, War Machine, Falcon, none of them have powers. And yet the government wants them controlled just as much as they want to control Captain America, the Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, the Vision, etc. The actual number of super-powered people isn't that large, and when they come into existence, it's almost always because of a freak accident or something which can't otherwise be replicated.

Mutants, however? They can be born anytime, anywhere. Their powers manifest during puberty, so they can be a danger to our children. Can you imagine the powers of a Mutant in the hands of a middle schooler? I recently started teaching middle school, and I have to say, middle school kids are hopelessly immature. Give them superpowers? It'd be a nightmare. Then look at the gun debate. Forget whether a kid can plan out a school shooting, get his hands on guns, and then carry it out. Imagine a kid who had the power to lay waste to the entire school. One who doesn't need to plan anything out, and can in fact carry out a mass slaughter at the drop of a hat.

Kids with superpowers is a nightmare scenario, because they don't have the maturity necessary to deal with their abilities responsibly, and they can pop up anywhere at any time. Fear and hatred of Mutants is unrealistic? All it'd take is a couple 13-year-olds having a freak out from their powers in the middle of a middle school cafeteria, hurting or even killing multiple children (whether intentional or not) to turn the whole world against Mutants.

 

[Captain Marvel]

As for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, it'd be interesting if they were retconned as Mutants. The idea that they got their powers from the Mind Stone never made a shred of sense to me. You know what DOES make sense, though? The MIND Stone inadvertently being used to remove the mental blocks which Wanda placed on herself and Pietro to keep their powers locked away. That makes sense. Wanda could've had a scare during puberty which made her fearful of their powers, and so she placed subconscious mental blocks in both their minds preventing them from accessing their powers and then made them both forget they had them.

 

[Havok83]

As for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, it'd be interesting if they were retconned as Mutants. The idea that they got their powers from the Mind Stone never made a shred of sense to me. You know what DOES make sense, though? The MIND Stone inadvertently being used to remove the mental blocks which Wanda placed on herself and Pietro to keep their powers locked away. That makes sense. Wanda could've had a scare during puberty which made her fearful of their powers, and so she placed subconscious mental blocks in both their minds preventing them from accessing their powers and then made them both forget they had them.

just say they were latent mutants and the stone only activated their X gene. It still is a bit messy but this is probably the simplest way to reconcile that

 

[TheVileOne]

just say they were latent mutants and the stone only activated their X gene. It still is a bit messy but this is probably the simplest way to reconcile that

Spoiler

That'd be tough to do considering they had all this business of, she can only destroy the Mind Stone because her powers have a similar energy signature.

 

[2kt09]

Mutants, however? They can be born anytime, anywhere. Their powers manifest during puberty, so they can be a danger to our children. Can you imagine the powers of a Mutant in the hands of a middle schooler? I recently started teaching middle school, and I have to say, middle school kids are hopelessly immature. Give them superpowers? It'd be a nightmare. Then look at the gun debate. Forget whether a kid can plan out a school shooting, get his hands on guns, and then carry it out. Imagine a kid who had the power to lay waste to the entire school. One who doesn't need to plan anything out, and can in fact carry out a mass slaughter at the drop of a hat.

Kids with superpowers is a nightmare scenario, because they don't have the maturity necessary to deal with their abilities responsibly, and they can pop up anywhere at any time. Fear and hatred of Mutants is unrealistic? All it'd take is a couple 13-year-olds having a freak out from their powers in the middle of a middle school cafeteria, hurting or even killing multiple children (whether intentional or not) to turn the whole world against Mutants.

Are you suggesting the X-Men should start off even younger? Anyone with a natural, worse if uncontrollable, weapon can be a danger to society.
I wonder if the MCU would make the distinction between the harmless freaks who may look a certain way & can do parlour tricks vs the DEFCON/LERTCON mutants.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Are you suggesting the X-Men should start off even younger? Anyone with a natural, worse if uncontrollable, weapon can be a danger to society.
I wonder if the MCU would make the distinction between the harmless freaks who may look a certain way & can do parlour tricks vs the DEFCON/LERTCON mutants.

I'm suggesting that the current generation of Mutants represent a population explosion (which was pretty much the case in the comics, because it wasn't Xavier's generation when Mutants were discovered).

My suggestion would be for Xavier to be in his 50's, the X-Men to be in their mid to late 20's (With a couple years under their belt of protecting Mutants in secret, confronting Magneto and his Brotherhood on occasion, and fending off the occasional government plot), and Xavier's newest crop of students, his largest class to date, being between 14-17.

Basically, Xavier finds his first class of X-Men in his 40's and he starts to train them. That first class of X-Men has been operating in secret for 10 years, facing the traditional Mutant threats (The Brotherhood, Magneto, Mystique, etc.). And for the most part, they've operated in secret, often with the support of the government (Albeit with tense relations, as one assumes they've had to work with the likes of Henry Peter Gyrich).

Things could pop off through a confluence of events leading to Mutants becoming public knowledge. The ever increasing Mutant population which is becoming harder and harder to keep secret, leading to more and more incidents which are harder to cover up, could be one of them. Another would be people in the government, like Bolivar Trask, who see that ever growing Mutant population. Believing that war between Humans and Mutants is inevitable, and that continued secrecy is strengthening the Mutants hand, they believe that blowing the lid off the secret is in the best interests of Humanity so that Humanity can strike before the Mutant population becomes too large to handle. And it can also be because of the arrival of other major Mutant power players on the scene, like Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister, etc. Mutants who, unlike Magneto, don't have a vested interest in keeping the existence of Mutants under wraps.

If I were in Feige's place, I would plan for a minimum of three X related movie trilogies. Possibly one per year. An X-Men Blue Team movie trilogy, X-Men Gold Team, and New X-Men. The latter of which is something which could be fun and lighthearted, and is basically the Harry Potter of the Mutant World, with Xavier's school being basically Hogwarts. There are so many characters and so much material to mine that two X-Men teams with their own trilogy is really the best bet. One team led by Cyclops and the other led by Storm.

 

[Creo]

I don't why it wouldn't work. The MCU is already a universe where powered people are not considered unusual. So long as they have an activation event, rather than trying to tell us that mutants have always been here, then it works for me. Obviously, it would have a huge impact on the makeup of the MCU but that kind of shakeup is needed after so long.

I certainly would want them to be brand new. Anything else ever they've existed would feel awkward abs ham fisted.

I'm not saying that cat work, I'm just saying I don't think many of the characters would get fleshed out much,. I also think we'll run into the issue of "why wasn't" x" character there when Red Skull attacked New York?" Which is a problem we already run into somewhat, but that I feel would be drastically exacerbated if we add a ton of mutants to the picture, especially transporters.

 

[Tg11]

In the events of Infinity War Part 2/Avengers 4, the Infinity Gems are destroyed. The gems' energy waves radiate throughout the universe sending the X-Gene throughout time and space, essentially allowing the mutants to have always existed. Consider that the Soul Gem gave Wanda/Scarlet Witch and Pietro/ Quicksilver their powers mutating their genes. The Soul Gem and Time Gem reacting together like that could create that effect. It ties the X-Men into the universe quite nicely setting up their universe to collide with the rest of the MCU going forward in the future. Well furthermore as far as their continued intro:

In the fourth Captain America movie, Steve Rogers or Bucky or Falcon doesn't matter which one out of the 3 of them who ever it is traces the origins of the Super Soldier serum. Hulk comes along since his gamma research was another attempt at recreating the formula. They are all led to Canada and the Weapon X facility Logan/Wolverine is there since his memories are lost and he keeps coming back like a bad penny. He basically has taken to this place as his stomping ground retreating there in his free time in between missions assigned to him by the Canadian Government tying into Logan's Canadian origins. We then would have classic costumed Wolverine vs Hulk on the big screen for the first time.

Eventually Wolverine would see it is all a big misunderstanding/present trend in superhero battles and tags along for the duration of the movie. The post-credit scene would have Wolverine being approached by Xavier and recruited to the X-Men; this sets up the eventual X Men solo reboot franchise quite nicely.

Infinity Gems create Mutants and Cap retraces his origins with Hulk. Hulk vs Wolverine in Canada and a post-credit scene with Xavier. What could be better?

 

[Silvermoth]

I guess the question is, should they establish bolivar trask as a student of Tony’s, or who is inspired by his suit, to create the sentinels?

That would be creepy af

 

[Jh7058622]

I trust Marvel with their properties. I don't think they will rush the X-men out at the expense of the other franchises; the MCU is fully booked until 2022, it's only after that point that the X-men will appear.

Yet they did exactly that with Spider-Man...

 

[Protar]

Yet they did exactly that with Spider-Man...

I think Spiderman will be the exception. Not only is he Marvel's most popular character, they also had a very narrow time window to fit him into Civil War. probably most importantly, Homecoming was made in conjunction with Sony. Obviously, Sony wanted to get that film out as quickly as possible. They could never have struck a deal with Sony if they stipulated that Sony would have to wait till 2020 to release another Spiderman film.

Unless some similar sharing of rights occurs (which I hope it doesn't), there is no need to rush the X-men. They know what films they want to make up until 2022. They might well adjust those films to seed mutants (and F4 characters) into the MCU, but I don't expect to see an actual X-men film until late 2022 at the earliest, probably not till after Avengers 5 in 2023/24.

 

[Tg11]

I guess the question is, should they establish bolivar trask as a student of Tony’s, or who is inspired by his suit, to create the sentinels?

That would be creepy af

But it would further tie the MCU together to the X Men

 

[Havok83]

I actually would love it if they did something differently and downplay the whole people hate mutants which has been done to death. Id love it if they took cues from Ultimate X-men and 80s X-Factor and have mutants be celebrities and adored with children hoping they are mutants and things in a better place. I think they should play with this angle at first and maybe have a catastrophic event which paints them in a negative light which makes things worse going forward. A public figure like Senator Kelly rising up to spread the hate and PR slant that turns public perception against them .

 

[Jh7058622]

I feel like that would completely undercut the spirit of what the X-Men are supposed to represent. They are supposed to be allegorical depictions of minorities plight, however, I'd love to see something other than hate and be seen as cool to some living fringe lifestyles kind of like black culture being seen as "in" and constantly appropriated. Still they need to have that ever present danger of discrimination that all minorities feel otherwise it is a hollow interpretation.