How would you reboot Batman?

[Ultimatehero]

I agree with Llama Shepherd on all accounts. I'm only 23, I have yet to see more than a handful of "feminine" teenage guys. I have yet to see any outside the emo kids, which isn't all that much of a group. Softer? Somewhat since there's no need to really grow up fast or to be the most macho man out there anymore. But feminine? Not in the least. It's just more... as Shepherd said "boyish" - we're granted more time to grow up. Thus the youthful energy remains. Also "gaydar" is a really out-dated concept dude, it's built upon a rare stereotype - some LGBT guys are like that, but most? You wouldn't even know it just by looking at them, whereas some non-LGBT guys (straight guys) actually do fulfill that stereotype.

 

[Airwings]

To everybody:
See Let Me In, and take a good look at Kodi in every scene.
That is how a Robin of the 21th century should like like.
In my opinion, he's a little feminine. And he's a very good candidate for Robin.

That is just how I think about the matters. Accept it or not.
But don't go down to personal mocking. You people are better than that.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Not one person mocked you. You're just ridiculously outdated or immature with you outlook on things. So, my conclusion would be:

A) You've got a son/daughter or a much younger brother/sister who belongs to one of the "Emo/Vamp/Goth" fashion subcultures and you think that is how most teenagers are.

OR

B) You are a part of that fashion subculture and are just lying but you want a superhero to dress like you. Being that you would he of a similar age to him and it would make you cooler.

I'd most likely say option B considering you chose your own font instead of the default and typed "21th" instead of "21st".


Either way, your "evidence" for why Robin should be androgynous or gay or have homosexual tendencies are just all outright lies. Shall we move on from how Robin should be portrayed? Airwings is clearly in the minority in wanting the Chris O'Donnel, but with longer bangs, back.

EDIT- Having looked at Kodi Smit-McPhee he is the utter wrong choice for Robin. Firstly he's too young, he's 15 he also looks much younger than his age, that is something that cannot be changed. He also doesn't remind me at all of any Robin. Grayson should be the male model type, Jason needs to have that raised by the street look, Tim just wouldn't look like that.

 

[Ultimatehero]

He's a KID. Kids at that age are androgynous. Puberty didn't hit him yet. A lot of boys that age are made fun of for looking like girls. My uncle was one of them. It's not something they're proud of and is entirely out of their control. He just seemed like a regular kid outsider.

Personal mocking? How? What? Can someone fill me in on that? All we did was note how your phrasing was off using a stereotype that refers mainly to sexuality rather than words that actually put it forth much more clearly and better. Not to mention that word in that context is really archaic.

 

[KalMart]

How about if Robin looks 'normal'...but he actually IS gay? But like with real people...it's just his preference and has no bearing on him being a vigilante hero....just like our sexuality doesn't dictate our jobs....unless we work in the field of sexuality?

Or is a Batman movie the wrong place to include a character that's gay without the gay part being a major plot/character device?

 

[Ultimatehero]

I'd say a different movie. I mean, I'm bi - I like dudes. I'd love to see a young Avengers movie so that Wiccan for example can come to life. Introducing a gay masculine hero into the superhero mix at some point will seriously combat those stereotypes that we're all flamboyant.

HOWEVER just think for a second what Robin being gay would mean... people already joke that Batman and Robin are secretly gay together and that Batman is a pedophile. Making Robin gay will just further cement that into people's heads. That's my only real problem with it. Make Robin gay and it's not a big leap into Batman being seen as a pedophile. Many already joke that he is with Robin being straight.

So it's not really an LGBT thing, I'm a bi guy, it's the whole perception of Batman and Robin vs. Batman "slash" Robin.

 

[Lord]

Hey, what about this?
What if, Robin's gay in secret, the Joker is a pedophile that wears a clone costume to atract children, oh my god, this is so realistic, Catwoman is a man! Penguin is a real penguin and the arch enemy of the dynamic duo.

And in secret, Batman is a male dominatrix, a gang leader and his parents killer, Two-Face has 3 faces, why? Because it would be different! And the twist is, this was all a plan from the government with Alfred being the real villain , who would suspect the butler?

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Now really, there's no reason to make Robin bi, it reminds me of that idea in te spidey forums of having peter gay and Harry osborne his lover, that, was odd

I read the 1st volume of Young Avengers, quite good, but i heard it was cancelled not long after it began, it's a shame

 

[KalMart]

I'd say a different movie. I mean, I'm bi - I like dudes. I'd love to see a young Avengers movie so that Wiccan for example can come to life. Introducing a gay masculine hero into the superhero mix at some point will seriously combat those stereotypes that we're all flamboyant.

HOWEVER just think for a second what Robin being gay would mean... people already joke that Batman and Robin are secretly gay together and that Batman is a pedophile. Making Robin gay will just further cement that into people's heads. That's my only real problem with it. Make Robin gay and it's not a big leap into Batman being seen as a pedophile. Many already joke that he is with Robin being straight.

So it's not really an LGBT thing, I'm a bi guy, it's the whole perception of Batman and Robin vs. Batman "slash" Robin.

Might make it the perfect place to portray a gay person as not a pervert or opportunist. And no, they've given Batman female love interests...so he's no pedophile, and they can just give Grayson a boyfriend he sees when he's not being Robin.

In all seriousness, I don't think Batman is the right venue for that...but it's hard to think of how it's be portrayed in a movie without being a heavy 'issue'. Maybe it's got to get that way in real life first before it makes its way to movies.

I'll tell what I would like with Robin....I would like if they not make him a brooder as a person. Not comedy sidekick, but I don't want to see some anguished teen up there.

 

[KalMart]

Hey, what about this?
What if, Robin's gay in secret, the Joker is a pedophile that wears a clone costume to atract children, oh my god, this is so realistic, Catwoman is a man! Penguin is a real penguin and the arch enemy of the dynamic duo.

And in secret, Batman is a male dominatrix, a gang leader and his parents killer, Two-Face has 3 faces, why? Because it would be different! And the twist is, this was all a plan from the government with Alfred being the real villain , who would suspect the butler?

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Now really, there's no reason to make Robin bi, it reminds me of that idea in te spidey forums of having peter gay and Harry osborne his lover, that, was odd

Well, they instead made MJ quite the butterfly, no?

 

[Ultimatehero]

Now really, there's no reason to make Robin bi

Actually I don't think anyone was suggesting Robin being bi. I said I'm bi and would not like to see a LGBT Robin because of the controversies it would stir up. And while bringing LGBT heroes to the big screen will battle the stereotype and be easy to do, as Marvel has a growing number of them - including Wolverine's son which rocks!, Batman is obviously not the film to do it with since it would be heavy-handed. Showing that it comes from a more thought-out perspective of anti-Robin-gay than from a bigoted one which I may have sounded like in persistence alone.

 

[Airwings]

He's a KID. Kids at that age are androgynous. Puberty didn't hit him yet. A lot of boys that age are made fun of for looking like girls.

Kodi is 15, so that's what I am talking about all the time. Robin should be that age when he first wears the suit.
And I should not excuse myself for having this opinion.

 

[Project862006]

get ezra miller then even tho he is kinda creepy looking lol

he is 19

 

[Boy Scout]

If you're gonna do Robin, he should look like this.

But with better boots and a bit more armor here and there.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Kodi is 15, so that's what I am talking about all the time. Robin should be that age when he first wears the suit.
And I should not excuse myself for having this opinion.

No one has asked you to excuse yourself for giving that opinion just that your phrasing was beyond ambiguous and archaic and that we didn't agree. It wasn't even really the opinion itself, just the way it was phrased that made it really difficult to understand.

Also with Kodi, he still looks more androgynous etc. due to puberty - that's largely why they picked him at that point in his life for that role if you listened to the commentary, he also reminds me of a young Cilian Murphey.

 

[Lord]

Actually I don't think anyone was suggesting Robin being bi. I said I'm bi and would not like to see a LGBT Robin because of the controversies it would stir up. And while bringing LGBT heroes to the big screen will battle the stereotype and be easy to do, as Marvel has a growing number of them - including Wolverine's son which rocks!, Batman is obviously not the film to do it with since it would be heavy-handed. Showing that it comes from a more thought-out perspective of anti-Robin-gay than from a bigoted one which I may have sounded like in persistence alone.

Sorry, i normally confuse Bi with gay, or forget that they're not the same

 

[KalMart]

If you're gonna do Robin, he should look like this.

But with better boots and a bit more armor here and there.

Looks a bit gay.










/kidding

 

[Boy Scout]

Looks a bit gay.










/kidding

 

[Ultimatehero]

To me that's classic Robin, along with:

I'd say Logan Lerman would be one possibly great choice. I'd also go with Nicholas Hoult, although he's Beast already. If Robin was older - for some reason Justin Hartley came to mind in some screen grabs of the animated series \/ .

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Kodi is 15, so that's what I am talking about all the time. Robin should be that age when he first wears the suit.

Yes Robin should be. Not the actor. You do realise that Christian Bale played a 21 year old Bruce Wayne at 30. And a 30 year old Bruce Wayne at 33. And Henry Cavill will play a 21 year old Clark Kent, at 28.

There is a difference between actor and character ages. That child looks about 7. If they go someone who looked 16, despite the fact that are older, go with them.

And I should not excuse myself for having this opinion.

No you should not, celebrate your opinion. Your opinion is ridiculous though. An androgynous closet gay emo Robin, a revival of the least successful iteration of the character ever, with a ridicule for himself and Batman built in this time, so expect the ridicule.

 

[Airwings]

Project862006: Ezra has got that emo look.
Too much to be accepted as Robin by a lot of people, but I would not have anything against it. He should be younger, that's all.


The Boy Scout: See, Robin looks like a young teenager in that pic.
To get a photo realistic version of that Robin, we need someone who looks very boyish.
And if Batman can go without armor, having only body tight suit, in a new series of films - I am sure Robin go that way too.
To keep the darkness of the film/story, they can just tone down Robin's bright colors a bit.


UltimateHero: Nicholas Hoult could have been a good pick years ago. He is too tall and adult for the role now.
But glad you agreed with me on Lerman.
How about my late 90s Kevin Zegers suggestion?


Llama Sheperd: How many times do I have to say that Robin should not be gay, only look feminine?
If Grayson is 15 in the film, they have to pick someone who looks 15. How many such actors do you know about? They have to find an unkown for the role, perhaps. Or wait some years for Asa Butterfield, unless he looks to emo for peoples' taste.

EDIT: Another candidate can be Zachary Gordon

 

[Ultimatehero]

For some reason, if Robin was to look even younger, I'd go with Freddie Highmore:

He's 19 years old now, still looks like he's 16/17. And he really reminds me of Robin in the animated series and seems like he'd fit in right alongside Batman. Sure, he'd have to bulk up like all actors do when tackling superheroes - but the kid's a great well-accomplished actor that has grown into a "look" that reminds me a lot of Robin. Especially if going for younger look than say Lerman or Hoult. Kind of has the Dustin Hoffman effect of looking a lot younger than his age.

Now with a more Gotham edge to it:

 

[Project862006]

lerman is best choice he is like 18/19 but can pass as 16

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Llama Sheperd: How many times do I have to say that Robin should not be gay, only look feminine?

So, androgynous? Why do you think he should look feminine? I really don't mean to be offensive, but, to me, it's just baffling as it doesn't go with any of the Robin's.

If Grayson is 15 in the film, they have to pick someone who looks 15. How many such actors do you know about? They have to find an unkown for the role, perhaps. Or wait some years for Asa Butterfield, unless he looks to emo for peoples' taste.

I wouldn't go for a 15 year old Grayson anyway. Like DCE, I would go for a 16 year old Grayson. Initially, I was only suggesting Douglas Booth as I thought that was the style of look you wanted, and I saw him in Great Expectations today, and he truly is great in it. But since he is 19 now, we'd probably have that weird age gap that's not too big if he were actually cast. I'd probably have to give it a bit of thinking.

 

[Airwings]

For some reason, if Robin was to look even younger, I'd go with Freddie Highmore:

He's 19 years old now, still looks like he's 16/17. And he really reminds me of Robin in the animated series and seems like he'd fit in right alongside Batman. Sure, he'd have to bulk up like all actors do when tackling superheroes - but the kid's a great well-accomplished actor that has grown into a "look" that reminds me a lot of Robin. Especially if going for younger look than say Lerman or Hoult. Kind of has the Dustin Hoffman effect of looking a lot younger than his age.

Now with a more Gotham edge to it:

Great suggestion, and I like that "Gotham pic". But I suspect him to grow out of the role too soon.
What about another young english actor, Thomas Sangster (now that his hair has darkened)?

lerman is best choice he is like 18/19 but can pass as 16

Maybe, but he was even better in 2007. I don't think he will work as well in 5 years or more.

 

[Ultimatehero]

But since he is 19 now, we'd probably have that weird age gap that's not too big if he were actually cast.

Depends. I found that people 19-22 years old usually look a lot younger or blend in a lot more. Clean shaven, blends a lot in. Some 19 year olds even look younger than some people who are say 17/18. I, embarrassingly, had to get carded to see a rated R movie lately - at 23! I know a guy a year older who was confused for being 16 some confusion about if he had a driver's license yet. I think generations may just be looking a lot younger than we did in the past. It's when you get 25+ that it becomes a stretch.

Freddie Highmore for example, he's 19, but in his latest movie - he looked to be 16 still. I think he may be like Dustin Hoffman, I wasn't around back then - but listening to interviews he didn't look his age until he was around 30. Prior to that he kept on playing really young characters. Or at least that's what I heard.