How would YOU reboot the Fantastic 4?

[DigificWriter]

I still stand by my wish for them to keep this cast and integrate them into the X-verse, but I wanted to respond to the idea of Dylan O'Brien being cast in a hypothetical MCU reboot by saying that, unfortunately, there's a chance that his career might be finished for good after the injuries he sustained in March while filming Maze Runner: The Death Cure.

 

[Web-Head]

I still stand by my wish for them to keep this cast and integrate them into the X-verse, but I wanted to respond to the idea of Dylan O'Brien being cast in a hypothetical MCU reboot by saying that, unfortunately, there's a chance that his career might be finished for good after the injuries he sustained in March while filming Maze Runner: The Death Cure.

He was just cast in a movie with Michael Keaton, so I wouldn't say his career might be finished. http://www.moviefone.com/2016/05/11/dylan-obrien-star-american-assassin-injuries/

 

[DigificWriter]

Based on what we'd last heard, I think that might be a case of "hoping for the best" - especially with a Fall shoot start - but we'll see.

 

[TheVileOne]

I still stand by my wish for them to keep this cast and integrate them into the X-verse, but I wanted to respond to the idea of Dylan O'Brien being cast in a hypothetical MCU reboot by saying that, unfortunately, there's a chance that his career might be finished for good after the injuries he sustained in March while filming Maze Runner: The Death Cure.

That's like wishing for Andrew Garfield to play MCU Spider-Man at this point.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think it could be more easily rationalized today than it could in the early '60s.

Today, the cutting edge of space travel is private and a lot of work is being done toward "space tourism".

I'd make the trip related to a final shakedown of Reed's design which he feels (in hindsight wrongly so) is so safe there's no reason his girlfriend and her brother can't come along for the ride.

I don't like what Fox has done because, in both treatments, they've changed Johnny fairly drastically to make him fit in. I'd rather stretch credibility and keep him a kid who is very different than the others than make him a mature pilot/scientist just to make it seem more believable.

That's still better than getting drunk and playing around with a dangerous invention like it's a toy because people only remember Neil Armstrong and garbage like that.

 

[ernesth100]

I still stand by my wish for them to keep this cast and integrate them into the X-verse, but I wanted to respond to the idea of Dylan O'Brien being cast in a hypothetical MCU reboot by saying that, unfortunately, there's a chance that his career might be finished for good after the injuries he sustained in March while filming Maze Runner: The Death Cure.

I completely forgot about that. Its far too bad. Which is sad because his career was really kicking up thanks to Maze Runner. Im hoping he recovers though.

 

[Tg11]

Give them to Marvel/Disney give them to Feige like that is the simple solution

 

[ernesth100]

It's not that simple otherwise it would've happened already.

 

[BarryAllen]

I don't want Sue with any scientific background if she ends up back with Marvel. I've had enough of her being this type of thing in both the Story movies and Trank's film. I don't want her being vital to the crew at all or someone who seems almost an intellectual equal of Reed. I don't want her designing any rockets. I want her to even have trouble understanding certain concepts which Reed would say is not rocket science.

Make her an actress again like in the comics. I want her to be as different to Reed as they can possibly get.

And I don't want Doom aiding Reed or Sue.

Your treatment sounds like a third go round of the same old schtick from Fox.

Why would Sue be joining their rocket trip if she was an actress? Sue being a scientist fits better and makes her a stronger character as she's able to bring something to the team. You can still have Reed be this super genius who says things aren't rocket science compared to whatever he does.

And if you plan to go the origin route again, I think it's important to establish the family chemistry well not only in terms of personality, but what they bring to the science-oriented team. Reed can be the lead jack-of-all-trades scientist, Ben is the pilot, Johnny is a mechanic/engineer and I'd make Sue a physicst or biochemist like the Ultimate incarnation.

And stop trying to shoehorn Doctor Doom into the origin story. Let him be established separately.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Why would Sue be joining their rocket trip if she was an actress? Sue being a scientist fits better and makes her a stronger character as she's able to bring something to the team. You can still have Reed be this super genius who says things aren't rocket science compared to whatever he does.

And if you plan to go the origin route again, I think it's important to establish the family chemistry well not only in terms of personality, but what they bring to the science-oriented team. Reed can be the lead jack-of-all-trades scientist, Ben is the pilot, Johnny is a mechanic/engineer and I'd make Sue a physicst or biochemist like the Ultimate incarnation.

And stop trying to shoehorn Doctor Doom into the origin story. Let him be established separately.

Part of what defines the Fantastic Four is their diversity. There are an infinite number of reasons a good writer can find to include non-technical people on the flight.

The basic natures of the characters shouldn't be changed just because it's easier and/or the writers aren't creative enough.

Justin Bieber has (or at least had) a ticket to go into space. He's not a scientist or engineer.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...-ticket-to-space-with-virgin-galactic-2013106

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

To me, changing Sue and Johnny to scientists is like saying "It doesn't really make sense that Captain America has a shield. Lets not use that. He'll look silly." Or "Why would Superman have a red cape? We don't need that."

That's the way Fox thinks and that's why Fox fails.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Tony Stark - Watching a TV that fills a wall - gestures excitedly to Rhodes and Hogan who are in an adjoining room.

Tony: Come here, come here, you've got to see this.

Reporter: Today, Reed Richards will demonstrate his ionic drive. According to Richards this drive system will allow travel to extreme distances at speeds previously unimagined.

Yet while the capabilities of this drive and craft are far beyond anything anyone had imagined just one year ago, the electronic control systems and ship are so advanced it can be flown by a single pilot. Richards said the actual experience won't be much different than taking a short commuter flight.

The mission will be piloted by Ben Grimm, and going along for the ride will be Richard's girlfriend, actress Sue Storm and her brother, Johnny Storm.

Tony: This Richards guy is amazing.

How hard is that?

 

[BarryAllen]

To me, changing Sue and Johnny to scientists is like saying "It doesn't really make sense that Captain America has a shield. Lets not use that. He'll look silly." Or "Why would Superman have a red cape? We don't need that."

That's the way Fox thinks and that's why Fox fails.

It's absolutely not like that because the MCU has changed things before. See Iron Man having an AI called JARVIS, Falcon's Redwing being a drone, Jane Foster being a physicist, Bucky not being Cap's kid sidekick, etc.

Johnny has been shown to be a mechanic in the comics and work on the Fantasticar. It's not out of character for him. Sue being a scientist also has precedence in the Ultimate incarnations. The MCU likes to pick and choose from both the main universe and the Ultimate and streamline it.

Part of what defines the Fantastic Four is their diversity. There are an infinite number of reasons a good writer can find to include non-technical people on the flight.

The basic natures of the characters shouldn't be changed just because it's easier and/or the writers aren't creative enough.

Justin Bieber has (or at least had) a ticket to go into space. He's not a scientist or engineer.

Making Sue a scientist or focusing a little more on Johnny's knack for mechanics doesn't fundamentally change the characters. You can still retain the spirit of the characters and their personalities while giving them more agency.

Just look what John Byrne did to Sue Storm. He took her from Reed's assistant and made her more confident and assertive in her abilities which became more versatile and impressive. Did that fundamentally change the character? No, it made her better and more relevant to the team.

 

[Zarex]

I would reboot Sue as an MD. It fits her role as team mother and it never made sense that Reed was a brilliant physicist, engineer and medical expert. Let's spread out the skills required for extended space flights. Johnny can be Scotty and Sue can be Bones McCoy. That leaves Ben as Sulu and Reed as a combo of Kirk and Spock.

 

[Spiderine]

I would reboot Sue as an MD. It fits her role as team mother and it never made sense that Reed was a brilliant physicist, engineer and medical expert. Let's spread out the skills required for extended space flights. Johnny can be Scotty and Sue can be Bones McCoy. That leaves Ben as Sulu and Reed as a combo of Kirk and Spock.

I love this idea. A little inspiration from Star Trek. This should tie in to the aftermath of Infinity Wars as life on earth continue to be threatened from powerful beings and advanced civilizations in the cosmos. They learn a great deal about Space travel/exploration and Reed become the pioneer of the project and they are sent on peacekeeping missions to other worlds. They would encounter numerous worlds and other alien life. They would still interact with other characters from Earth as they can travel back and forth. As I have said the best intro for them could be the Inhumans. Thanos has affected the entire universe in ways that would make hostilities grow amongst the galaxy. This is where Doom begins to become prevalent too. As he has his own agendas.

Instead of another origin they could explain that these secret missions already started years ago after the alien invasion and as I have said Reed already existed as a colleague of Eric Selvig. And just explain that years of exposure to space exploration has begun to alter their DNA skipping all the origin of powers. In an accelerated fashion or as a result of the stones Thanos unleashed.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

"We’ve always said if there’s any “secret” it’s respect the source material, understand the source material and then, any adaptation you make from the source material should be done only to enhance whatever the original pure spirit of the source material was." Kevin Feige

I believe these are words to live by. Do some revisions need to happen? Sure. But we shouldn't start by saying: "What can we change?" That's Fox-think. We should start by saying: "What can we keep?" and only make changes when they're needed.

Why does Clark Kent have to be a reporter? Why couldn't he be the captain of a nuclear submarine or a missionary building schools in Africa or a neurosurgeon?

Because he's a reporter. That's Clark Kent's Job. That's the character that comic book readers came to love and want to see now. If the original authors had made him a neurosurgeon, that probably would have been fine. But they didn't and that's not who he is now.

Sue as an MD? Sure. I can live with that. At least she's not 'Reed-lite', but why not just keep her an actress? What's wrong with that? Reed and Sue can't have a 1960's relationship. That has to change. But there's nothing wrong with being an actress. People do that in 2016.

Both Fox films felt the need to make Sue and Johnny scientists, and I don't like the idea of any of the Fox "improvements" becoming accepted as the way they're supposed to be.

Part of the fun in the comics is that, while they're often dealing with scientific things, Reed's the only scientist. The others are more like us saying: "What the f***?!?!?" while Reed is analyzing it scientifically. They're us. We can relate to them. They react to these bizarre situations as real people would. That's a key component to what makes the FF work. They're ordinary people in extraordinary situations.

In fact, if I were the director, I'd put that last sentence (They're ordinary people in extraordinary situations. ) in big, bold letters on posters and hang those posters all over the sets and work areas. That's what was special about FF when they first came out and that theme needs to be maintained for the film to capture the key elements of the comic books.

 

[Spiderine]

I really like this idea of being a little bit "Star Trek" but taking liberties to be something very different as space explorers or inter dimensional travelers. Now one could say that we have GOTG and thats fine but the FF are heavily tied to the events happening on earth which have resulted in these missions taking place. After IW films I can see this being a major theme in the MCU. The cosmic threats are growing and alien civilizations are more hostile. The powers from the stones will unleash a wave of fear post Infinity Wars..

The FF needs to be well established and already playing a role in the MCU. Just like Spidey has been crimefighting for six months. There are people on earth using the discoveries from the cosmos as a stepping stone for malicious agendas (Doom).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think the idea of Star Trek actually illustrates what I was saying above.

In the FF, when they encounter a giant monster, Reed says: "Hmmm, this creature must have evolved to adapt to this environment which..."

While the others are saying: "Holy s***! Look at that big f***ing monster!"

And we see a similar dynamic with Star Trek and Spock vs. the others. That's why I don't want the others to be scientists. I want them to be reacting the way we, in the audience, would.

 

[Tg11]

Yes make it like Star Trek in terms of humor but also in the sense give it that GOTG type feel too

 

[Zarex]

"We’ve always said if there’s any “secret” it’s respect the source material, understand the source material and then, any adaptation you make from the source material should be done only to enhance whatever the original pure spirit of the source material was." Kevin Feige

I believe these are words to live by. Do some revisions need to happen? Sure. But we shouldn't start by saying: "What can we change?" That's Fox-think. We should start by saying: "What can we keep?" and only make changes when they're needed.

Why does Clark Kent have to be a reporter? Why couldn't he be the captain of a nuclear submarine or a missionary building schools in Africa or a neurosurgeon?

Because he's a reporter. That's Clark Kent's Job. That's the character that comic book readers came to love and want to see now. If the original authors had made him a neurosurgeon, that probably would have been fine. But they didn't and that's not who he is now.

Sue as an MD? Sure. I can live with that. At least she's not 'Reed-lite', but why not just keep her an actress? What's wrong with that? Reed and Sue can't have a 1960's relationship. That has to change. But there's nothing wrong with being an actress. People do that in 2016.

I've read a bunch of FF comics over the years, but I've never read one in which Sue has actually acted. I don't consider it a key part of the character, though I can certainly understand why others would.

I like MD rather than a scientist either not quite as smart as Reed in the Story films or more intelligent in Trank's FFINO. As an MD she can be the voice of reason and have a distinct set of skills upon which the team relies. And she can still be an actress. She can be the Ken Jeong of the MCU!

 

[Spidey's Curse]

Reed can be the lead jack-of-all-trades scientist, Ben is the pilot, Johnny is a mechanic/engineer and I'd make Sue a physicst or biochemist like the Ultimate incarnation.

Id rather see johnny as a kid. Worked pretty well for the new Spidey. Plus, I need a Spidey/Torch team up movie in my life! As for why Johnny would be on the ship, why not something like the teacher (in this case student) in space program from the 80s?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I've read a bunch of FF comics over the years, but I've never read one in which Sue has actually acted. I don't consider it a key part of the character, though I can certainly understand why others would.

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Read the issues leading up to 200 (starting at 195 or 196?). Sue goes back to her acting career for a bit there. But more importantly it's a great story with some good art and an iconic showdown between Reed and Doom. If you haven't read it and can get your hands on it, it's worth checking out.

But I agree on the basic premise. Sue doesn't have to be an actress. She could be an MD or CEO or teacher or anything other than 'scientist' as she's been in the Fox films. Making her a scientist changes her character too much and she and Reed should be yin and yang. She shouldn't be just a less accomplished variation of Reed. She should bring a completely different skill-set to the table that balances Reed's technical prowess.

 

[PretenderNX01]

Justin Bieber has (or at least had) a ticket to go into space. He's not a scientist or engineer.

Yeah I'm going to need the only female in the movie to be a bit more useful than Justin Bieber ok?

I mean that's fine for Johnny but Sue should be more than that.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah I'm going to need the only female in the movie to be a bit more useful than Justin Bieber ok?

I mean that's fine for Johnny but Sue should be more than that.

That's part of the problem with making Sue a scientist. If she's a scientist, what value does she have? Reed Richards is the greatest scientific mind in the universe. As a scientist, she's just an inferior variation of Reed. She should bring a completely different kind of intelligence.

Reed knows science, but he doesn't know people (or the seemingly irrational bahavior of aliens, monsters etc.). Sue's intuition and non-scientific intelligence has always been the key to the team functioning properly.

Going back to the Star Trek reference, Sue understands and can deal with situations that Reed can't - in a similar way to how (non-scientist) Kirk can deal with things Spock can't.