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How would YOU reboot the Fantastic 4?

MBJ was nothing like the Human Torch though. :huh:

Doesn't matter what he might be like in real life. The character he played had barely any personality and certainly not the Johnny Storm personality. And then, not even knowing Ben Grimm much at all, he makes this mean comment about him at the end of the film when no rapport between them has even been established.

And I don't like any of your cast for FF, I'm sorry to say.
 
Yeah, Ik, I just like MBJ in general. :funny: But I can see where your coming from though. I mean regardless, Marvel usually knocks it out of the park with casting themselves. So I just fancast for the fun of it really.
 
MBJ's Johnny Storm is like the work colleague in your office you've never spoken to before who comes over to you one day and decides to make a snide remark and then says it was all in jest because you're both just fooling around as mates.

The trouble is that if someone comes and does this if you don't have any kind of relationship with them in any capacity, then it really does come off as mean and offensive. If you have some kind of friendship or even some sort of rapport as acquaintances you might realise it was just a joke and he or she was just teasing. But doing it completely cold, even using the same words, does not come across the same way.

And that's exactly what Johnny was like with Ben. Their paths crossed because they had the same job (of being idiot drunken astronauts and then test subjects) but other than that, did they know each other at all?
 
Bring Michael Chiklis back for Ben Grimm if there's no origin story
 
Bypass the origin next time around. Just go straight into the main plot.
 
I mentioned this in another thread. Have the FF battle the Frightful Four in their own movie instead of Dr Doom or Moleman. They would be different foes to the types of villains we've already seen in previous FF movies. And they would be a great set up for an eventual Inhumans movie.

Medusa would be one of the members of the original Frightful Four. She would, of course, would be an amnesiac who wouldn't be aware of her true identity, just like in the comics, and eventually other Inhumans would come looking for her.

If Marvel have the FF back with them, they would now have everyone needed to have the original Frightful Four: Sandman (from Sony), Wizard (from Fox), Medusa (already with Marvel) and Paste Pot Pete/ the Trapster (don't know who he currently resides with).

It would also be a way to feature one of Spidey's villains (Sandman) in a non-typical Spidey context. Or Spidey himself could show up in the FF movie to boost the ratings and could battle Sandman and Medusa (he did fight Medusa separately himself during this amnesiac period of hers).

Or he could even fight her briefly in his own movie (obviously not Spider-Man: Homecoming but a sequel) and defeat her, and hand her over to the FF. This would then set up the starting point for the Inhumans in a Spidey movie of all places. Then in the FF movie, maybe the rest of the Frightful Four show up to rescue Medusa and they go after Spidey, who battles them briefly until the Fantastic Four show up and take over. The rest of the movie would be the battle between the Fantastic and Frightful Four, until the Inhumans show up at the end to reclaim Medusa.

All of this would be like in the comics, which might be a better and more lucrative way to introduce the Inhumans into the MCU, and to reboot the FF, because you'd have the Spider-Man boost. And Sandman being in an FF movie won't be a pure repeat of Spider-Man 3, because he's not featured in the same way or used as the villain in an MCU Spidey sequel.
 
I would do it by introducing the F4 in other MCU characters' movies (due to all 3 attempts at filming them having such a negative reception), and eventually bringing them together in a F4 movie.
 
I'd have the villain be Namor. Save Doom and the Doombots for the sequel.
 
What do people suddenly have against origins these days. Like damn. :funny:
 
Set it in the 1960s, but make it only set in the 1960s. It'd be our window to the '60s MCU.

No origin story. It's 1961 and the Fantastic Four is an established group of celebrities, with Reed known to the world as a genius millionaire scientist (and a top developer at NASA).

They are known to SHIELD (Director Peggy Carter), of course, as a team of super-powered individuals. They can pay lip service to their origin, referencing the Mole Man and Doctor Doom. Over the course of a 13-episode Netflix series, they meet the Watcher (Stan Lee), a cosmic entity who has become infatuated with Earth, but warns them of an impending invasion by the Skrulls.

But it's not the Skrulls they should be concerned about. While they dispatch the scout ship and the Super-Skrull in a couple of episodes, the weather begins to become erratic. Hurricanes, tornadoes, the craziest weather patterns ever recorded hit Earth and specifically the East Coast. Reed uncovers Skrullish transmissions, and the UN building is visited by the Silver Surfer, the Herald of Galactus. SHIELD keeps it under wraps, but the meeting tells you that Galactus is a force of nature, light-years in diameter, that has consumed planets, and will likely consume Earth.

The Surfer is held in isolation and "interrogated" in every way imaginable, fruitlessly. He eventually aids the Fantastic Four into developing super-science that could disrupt Galactus and perhaps disperse it away from Earth. They also attack more Skrull scouts and other baddies who are taking advantage of the constant blackouts and craziness over the winter of 1961/1962.

In the end, the Watcher breaks his oath, and provides Reed Richards with a cosmic nullifier that imbues him with the ability to "persuade" the Galactus entity into leaving the solar system. The Watcher and the Surfer end there role in the series playing chess in Central Park, both finding themselves exiled to Earth.

SHIELD was caught off-guard by the alien invasions and ill-prepared for any of it or the Galactus entity. Director Carter resigns and forms the World Security Council to oversee SHIELD and all metahuman activity present on Earth. Reed gives her the nullifier, which is locked away in a vault deep within the deepest of SHIELD's archives. Where it promptly appears to blink out of existence.

Thousands of miles away, in Latveria, Doctor Doom is mulling over the events of the winter blackout and his own top-secret reports on transmissions revealing the Galactus entity. When he is visited by a mysterious man in a business suit, who provides him with the nullifier in exchange for taking out the Fantastic Four and SHIELD. The man's name: "Call me Kang."

Cast:
Reed Richards (13 episodes)
Sue Storm (13 episodes)
Johnny Storm (13 episodes)
Ben Grimm (13 episodes)
Alicia Masters (most episodes)
Uatu the Watcher (a few episodes) - Stan Lee (maybe CGI his classic form once or twice), might also reprise his role as Willie Lumpkin
Peggy Carter (a few episodes) - Hayley Atwell
The Silver Surfer (a few episodes)
The Super-Skrull (a couple episodes)
Howard Stark (1 or 2 episodes) - Dominic Cooper
Hank Pym (1 or 2 episodes) - a new actor playing younger Michael Douglas
Doctor Doom (1 episode)
Kang the Conqueror (1 episode)

The ultimate fate of the Fantastic Four is not delved into during this Netflix season. A potential 2nd Season (focusing on Doom and Kang) could allude to some things, and perhaps the Four could, in fact, disappear into the Microverse or outer space or another dimension or whatever, only to come back in modern times.

Basically, the idea is that this group of "extraordinary people" operating outside of traditional oversight is what inspired Nick Fury into developing the Avengers project decades later.

I'm still not sure about Namor. Atlantis seems like such a big stretch for the MCU, unless they can tie it into Attilan, which would be Inhuman-stuff which doesn't seem popular atm. Aquaman might force Marvel into developing Namor at some point. Perhaps he's better fit as a 1930s character, Marvel's First ...whatever..., from a long-lost society of powered people. That live under the sea. Somehow.
 
I still think F4 could be pulled off as either a TV Show or Movie.
 
I'd use Annihilus as the main villain instead of Doctor Doom.

I'd also use FF4 supporting characters like Wyatt Wingfoot and HERBIE.
 
Alright alright I get it. I was joking dude. I could care less whether they do an origin or not. :funny:
 
i just can't express how much i hate origins

the thought of seeing another one fills me with rage

i might make an exception for dr. strange because he's f***ing weird and kinda deserves an explanation
 
The problem with the two from ~10 years ago were that they were too cheesy/comical, the problem with the newest one was that it was darker than the night. I think you need to go for a fairly light hearted and fun tone, and I think Sam Raimi would do a good job if he directed it, with a somewhat similar tone to what he had in the first Spider-Man films.
 
The problem with the two from ~10 years ago were that they were too cheesy/comical, the problem with the newest one was that it was darker than the night. I think you need to go for a fairly light hearted and fun tone, and I think Sam Raimi would do a good job if he directed it, with a somewhat similar tone to what he had in the first Spider-Man films.

Nah I would go with Peyton Reed and Joss Whedon writing the script and Whedon directing. Reed is a fan who tried to do one years ago, but he has the Ant-Man films now. Whedon is a comic book fan who is good at balancing out group dynamics, giving everyone a chance to shine, which is something the film should need since its about the group not any specific member. Also Whedon's name would draw people's interest and help fight the negative memories. I think Whedon might be interested, he has shown recently that he would still be interested in working with Marvel, and I think much of his issues with Avengers was the scale and all the world building he had to deal with.
 
Nah I would go with Peyton Reed and Joss Whedon writing the script and Whedon directing. Reed is a fan who tried to do one years ago, but he has the Ant-Man films now. Whedon is a comic book fan who is good at balancing out group dynamics, giving everyone a chance to shine, which is something the film should need since its about the group not any specific member. Also Whedon's name would draw people's interest and help fight the negative memories. I think Whedon might be interested, he has shown recently that he would still be interested in working with Marvel, and I think much of his issues with Avengers was the scale and all the world building he had to deal with.

Whedon would be a great pick too. I threw out Raimi's name because he doesn't seem to be doing that much these days (other than the Evil Dead show) and he has a love for those older comic books. I think Whedon would be a great candidate too.
 
I think the best way to introduce them would be to have the team coming back from a "The Martian" style 10+ year space expedition. That would explain why there is no mention of them in the MCU thus far.

Tone: Family sitcom. Married with children, In the house, Brady bunch etc. Just embrace the silliness of a scientist, his girl, her brother and a blue collar best friend living together. They would obviously have to all be astronauts for this story to work though.

I think the events of Infinity War could be the perfect set up for there origin. Thanos triggers some cosmic energies that effect the space station that Reed and co are living in. This leads to there origin, and Infinity war post credits we see them crash to earth fully transformed.
 
i just can't express how much i hate origins

the thought of seeing another one fills me with rage

i might make an exception for dr. strange because he's f***ing weird and kinda deserves an explanation
The thing about origins is not everyone knows who the newcomers like Panther(let's get one thing straight I don't think BP is gonna be an origin story at all, maybe a little flash back explaining how he learned and got his skills but nothing more), Strange, and Captain Marvel are they need an origin to explain it to them. Not just the hardcore comicbook fanboys. Hell the next couple of DC movies are mostly gonna be 90% origins. It's nothing to get mad over hell they might add a little twist to makethe origins interesting.
 
I think the best way to introduce them would be to have the team coming back from a "The Martian" style 10+ year space expedition. That would explain why there is no mention of them in the MCU thus far.

Tone: Family sitcom. Married with children, In the house, Brady bunch etc. Just embrace the silliness of a scientist, his girl, her brother and a blue collar best friend living together. They would obviously have to all be astronauts for this story to work though.

I think the events of Infinity War could be the perfect set up for there origin. Thanos triggers some cosmic energies that effect the space station that Reed and co are living in. This leads to there origin, and Infinity war post credits we see them crash to earth fully transformed.

Hey, I like that. I would be very careful with the tone of comedy chosen. Excessive and/or pointless humor can be very, too annoying. But well done and well dosed, it can work.
 
Yes you could use Infinity War Parts 1 and 2 to set up their origin but also at the same time introduce them or reintroduce them into the MCU
 
You could set up their origin but there's already seemingly an extensive roster for the IW films. A cameo with the ship getting hit or something along those lines is fine but the characters themselves wont be able to fit into the film of IW.
 
Or the cameo of course could be set up towards their solo film via post-credits of IW
 
Or the cameo of course could be set up towards their solo film via post-credits of IW

I always envisioned the last scene of IW part 2 being a portal opening up with the 4 coming out...Richards saying, Family, we are home! Fade to black

Post credit: Latveria...Doom sitting on his throne watching the same footage we are of the 4 coming out...his goblet is crushed when he sees Richards...and through his mask, his booming voice says RICHARDS!!!
 

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