Dark Phoenix Hype: decimated.

[ciscostudent561]

Good job fox, you did it. Really, Singer- YOU did it. The essence of the X-men are unrecognizable. Its cruel, really. Like hanging out with a formerly dear close friend, that has drifted away- forced to conform in a relationship you know is bad for them. A prisoner, who's forced smiles have a distinct pain as you realize the person they used to be has sold their existence for a false idol.

I don't know who these people are but they aren't the x-men. Its not the actors. Its the theme, the essence of who the X-men are stripped away and now we're being force fed by some angry step mother who thinks we're ungrateful because we're disappointed that after being promised steak we got chopped liver.

And before you come clawing at me about costumes being unrealistic or origin stories being too bizarre- if that's your stance you're equally as jaded. The X-men are a family. They don't represent a political idea, they're not the Avengers, they're not a bunch of loners fighting for an dream besides themselves, they're not blue and yellow spandex, they're not black leather, they're not one character leading a team a misfits, they're not a stepping stone for someones film, graphic novel, or whatever career for that matter. They're a family unified by the bond of persecution, learning how being different makes them uniquely gifted to not only fight for Xaviers dream but for hope for all mankind. and mutantkind.

I cant get hyped for this movie because there is no indication that we're goin to see these X-men.

 

[psylockolussus]

We trusted you Fox, we trusted you!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

New info dropped?

 

[NotNickFury]

Must be a slow news day.

 

[SumT]

He's mostly right, and we all know it.
I didnt read one lie

 

[2kt09]

They're a family unified by the bond of persecution, learning how being different makes them uniquely gifted to not only fight for Xaviers dream but for hope for all mankind. and mutantkind.

If you can't see that in these flicks, I got nothing else to tell you.

I cant get hyped for this movie because there is no indication that we're going to see these X-men.

Must be a slow news day.

Heh, was just about to ask him/her to clarify that last part.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

It's fine to have your hype decimated and all, but can you please make topics like this when new info comes out that causes your hype to be decimated? It's really misleading when you randomly make a topic like this when there's been no new news.

 

[Phoenix Egg]

Lol did someone need their own personal whine thread?

I get it. Sometimes a guy just needs his own stage.

 

[Sithborg]

So, hype down 10%???

 

[ciscostudent561]

my bad guys

 

[SumT]

Dont worry, we're all free to create the threads we want/need
The users are free to read or not too

 

[2kt09]

The point is Fox didn't plan out this series well. The main series shouldn't have ended in a trilogy. They made the Wolverine solos and the prequels because they are cheaper than a film featuring the ot cast and they are still making FC sequels when after Dofp / Apocalypse already proved them who are the real draw.

Then when it comes to the characters, they didn't introduce the likes of Psylocke, Colossus, Angel to develop them as one of the X-Men, but because they are popular in the source material then only wasting them as eye candy when they could have been more than that. There's no excuse that Mystique is more developed than the actual X-Men especially they are already making the 13th film in the series.

No, they're cheaper than making another TLS or even DOFP. TLS still did not make 3x its budget, thus the next time we'd see the OT ended up being a crossover after FC did not make 3x its budget.
Still making sequels to FC because that was indeed part of the plan after getting done with those prequels to the X-Men. Mystique is part of those prequels in a film series that has been doing spinoffs to other characters.
That's not an excuse, that's the explanation.

 

[Drseuss]

nice try, but whats your point if u even forgot to replace 'singer' with kinberg, and called out nothing new about dark phoenix other than 'oh i hate this film we know nothing about yet but no im not hating it cause they dont wear spandex' ??

yeah we know your presupposition. dont need to recycle comments

 

[SumT]

No, they're cheaper than making another TLS or even DOFP. TLS still did not make 3x its budget, thus the next time we'd see the OT ended up being a crossover after FC did not make 3x its budget.
Still making sequels to FC because that was indeed part of the plan after getting done with those prequels to the X-Men. Mystique is part of those prequels in a film series that has been doing spinoffs to other characters.
That's not an excuse, that's the explanation.

you can call it however you want. That doesnt change the fact that the approach is wrong on all levels. His comment was 100% on point.

The treatment many x-men are getting isnt working, is dissapointing the fanbase, and most importantly, turning people off, as the numbers are showing.

At this point, the audience of the mainline x-men movies should be bigger, not smaller than 10 years ago. There is a huge problem there and Fox and Kinberg havent shown any sign of adressing those problems, when Angel, Psylocke and Jubilee arent even confirmed for this movie after their introduction and second version on this franchise. This is a real problem. Just because some fans are fine with it doesnt make it less of a problem.

 

[2kt09]

you can call it however you want. That doesn't change the fact that the approach is wrong on all levels. His comment was 100% on point.

The treatment many x-men are getting isn't working, is disappointing the fanbase, and most importantly, turning people off, as the numbers are showing.

At this point, the audience of the mainline x-men movies should be bigger, not smaller than 10 years ago. There is a huge problem there and Fox and Kinberg havent shown any sign of addressing those problems, when Angel, Psylocke and Jubilee aren't even confirmed for this movie after their introduction and second version on this franchise. This is a real problem. Just because some fans are fine with it doesn't make it less of a problem.

I call it reality. They've addressed that issue by continuing to branch out.
8 years ago if Origins Wolverine did better, we'd be swimming in character prequels rather than the origin trilogy to the X-Men.
If TLS did better FC would have instead been a direct sequel to that.
The audience of the mainline X-Men movies is bigger since it's more global than it was since the OT.

 

[RalphieRandy]

Hype decimated with what? We haven't heard jack.......

 

[ciscostudent561]

couple of things

- im just sayin my hype was decimated for how they handled the last movie, and really the whole series
- I don't care for colorful costumes. I like practicality way better.
-First Class and DOFP were great even excellent movies, but they're awful X-men movies.

I'm usually more hyped about X-men movies even in the face of how Fox has handled things but after whats it been 17 years of this, I'm not hyped for the first time since I can remember...

 

[psylockolussus]

No, they're cheaper than making another TLS or even DOFP. TLS still did not make 3x its budget, thus the next time we'd see the OT ended up being a crossover after FC did not make 3x its budget.
Still making sequels to FC because that was indeed part of the plan after getting done with those prequels to the X-Men. Mystique is part of those prequels in a film series that has been doing spinoffs to other characters.
That's not an excuse, that's the explanation.

No. If Fox knows how to negotiate contracts well, that cast wouldn't be that expensive. Marvel shows that they can keep a cast that are integral to a number of films. And look how developed Black Widow, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye will be in a span of ten years compare to how Fox utilised Rogue, Kitty, Bobby, etc... since 2000

And in case you didn't see, X3 still earned more than the prequels. While it is obvious to see that Fc and Apocalypse are the top two under performers in this film series so far. It is not a coincidence that both featured the prequel cast.

And why in the world would you quote my post here when I didn't even post it in this thread? Talk about barking in the wrong tree. Lol.

 

[2kt09]

No. If Fox knows to negotiate contracts, that cast wouldn't be that expensive. Marvel shows that they can keep a cast that are integral to a number of films. And look how developed Black Widow, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye will be in a span of ten years compare to how Fox utilised Rogue, Kitty, Bobby, etc..

That cast isn't.
TLS and DOFP were expensive because they had a much larger cast in total.
Unlike, TLS & First Class, though, DOFP & Apocalypse made 3x to justify further installments with the same main cast, which was the plan anyways.

I am looking. I see Black Widow as being the most developed of those 4 in this 9 year span since she showed up the most in other characters' ensembles & different directors have given her different material to work with utilizing that spy motif. Hawkeye could have been, but his Thor & Civil War cameos didn't amount to much. Vision is the Beast equivalent and Scarlet Witch is Rogue, I guess.

And why in the world would you quote my post here when I didn't even post it in this thread? Talk about barking in the wrong tree. Lol.

Because it wasn't relevant to X-Force.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its not an excuse why you quote my post from a different thread and post it here.

And if Fox wants to stay "cheap" by using the less appealing cast so be it. Let the X-Men continue to middle at the box office and waste the other characters they could have used more instead of making another Fc cast affair that should have ended in dofp.

 

[2kt09]

Its not an excuse why you quote my post from a different thread and post it here.

Because it's relevant here.

 

[psylockolussus]

you can call it however you want. That doesnt change the fact that the approach is wrong on all levels. His comment was 100% on point.

The treatment many x-men are getting isnt working, is dissapointing the fanbase, and most importantly, turning people off, as the numbers are showing.

At this point, the audience of the mainline x-men movies should be bigger, not smaller than 10 years ago. There is a huge problem there and Fox and Kinberg havent shown any sign of adressing those problems, when Angel, Psylocke and Jubilee arent even confirmed for this movie after their introduction and second version on this franchise. This is a real problem. Just because some fans are fine with it doesnt make it less of a problem.

Its excuses, excuses, excuses, I do wonder if people read the source material like Kinberg/Singer did. Characters like Psylocke, Gambit, Iceman, Rogue, Kitty, Angel, Storm are either undeused, underdeveloped and adapted unfaithfully. Fox started making these movies earlier than the MCU, and IMO, they should be doing better and should have learned not to repeat mistakes especially when the other studios have also shown them how to do it right. But no the cycle continues. And we are supposed to ignore their mistakes just because the other films like Logan, Deadpool, Legion werent bad and yet the Uncanny X-Men get left behind when they should be the prime stars.

 

[psylockolussus]

couple of things

- im just sayin my hype was decimated for how they handled the last movie, and really the whole series
- I don't care for colorful costumes. I like practicality way better.
-First Class and DOFP were great even excellent movies, but they're awful X-men movies.

I'm usually more hyped about X-men movies even in the face of how Fox has handled things but after whats it been 17 years of this, I'm not hyped for the first time since I can remember...

This is turning out to be the Transformers of cb films, but at least Transformers looked expensive. I just think Fox really dropped the stone by letting Kinberg write the script and be singer's replacement. And even if this turned out to be a good 90s flick... That doesn't make it reasonable for the X-Men to just stay in the past when in Deadpool/X-Force/New Mutants/The Gifted/Legion - movies/shows set in the present - the X-Men are nowhere to be seen.

 

[SumT]

Because it's relevant here.

its not.

this thread is to discuss about 1st post, not about what users post on other threads and how they use to think. Topics arent about users, are about... well, the actual topics.

 

[2kt09]

its not.

this thread is to discuss about 1st post, not about what users post on other threads and how they use to think. Topics arent about users, are about... well, the actual topics.

We had a general discussion thread here somewhere about all of X-Men. Forgot the name of it.