Dark Phoenix Hype: decimated.

[SumT]

Its excuses, excuses, excuses, I do wonder if people read the source material like Kinberg/Singer did. Characters like Psylocke, Gambit, Iceman, Rogue, Kitty, Angel, Storm are either undeused, underdeveloped and adapted unfaithfully. Fox started making these movies earlier than the MCU, and IMO, they should be doing better and should have learned not to repeat mistakes especially when the other studios have also shown them how to do it right. But no the cycle continues. And we are supposed to ignore their mistakes just because the other films like Logan, Deadpool, Legion werent bad and yet the Uncanny X-Men get left behind when they should be the prime stars.

sometimes you just speak my mind. no joke.
I agree 100%, Ive been thinking that way for years. But apparently Fox doesnt understand it yet and Im afraid wont understand it in the next 6 years.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its the user's way to turn this thread into a whine thread (not just Cisco's whine thread) but that's fine by me. Lol. I have so much to complain about regarding Fox's X-Men.

And Fox really need to fire Kinberg/Singer and I guess LSD too for letting the trainwreck continue. I'll just won't be happy with Fox until they deliver a X-Men film that isn't a Xavier show, Magneto show or a Raven show. I am also really sick and tired of Nicholas' Beast. They really wasted Kelsey Grammar. I also don't need another X-Men film set in the past, when Deadpool/New Mutants/X-Force and even the shows are in the present. There's just no stake in this prequel and won't have an affect to the events of the other films except for another Fc sequel , eh the thought of another Fc film.

 

[SumT]

if only it was just you, but there is a loooooooooooong queue of fans with complaints about this franchise since years ago (or a decade), so we better have a good and comfortable seat, it will last, lol

 

[2kt09]

I also don't need another X-Men film set in the past, when Deadpool/New Mutants/X-Force and even the shows are in the present.

New Mutants is set present day? Legion kept it ambiguous what with all the retro attire and sets. They're also bound to do more future settings.

 

[psylockolussus]

It will only get worse next year when Dp comes out. I just hate Fox's short sighting of things. What's more annoying is they can find people for new mutants, X-Force and Deadpool but the X-Men must remain in the hands of Kinberg and keep the less appealing cast. It is just not very smart.

 

[Mad Ones]

Isn't there already a skepticism thread?

 

[SumT]

not everyone searchs for old threads. no big deal. This is getting movement, so what? let it be

 

[Flint Marko]

We trusted you Fox, we trusted you!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yep the gifted is set in the present where the X-Men are missing, deadpool is set in the present where the X-Men exist, Legion is set... who knows, maybe the present with the X-Mens Status unknown and Logan is set in 2029 where mutant births had declined several years before 2023 and Fate of the X-Men doesn't seem all that good.

And you know what? there is a good chance unless new mutants sucks or flops that we will get a sequel to that in 2020, X-Force will be out probably 2019/20 with probably more plans for further stuff down the line and obvious X-Men really will have to take a huge hit in order for there not to be another film and the franchise has already had several bumps and survived so any assumptions at this point are pointless.

 

[magneto23]

I also don't need another X-Men film set in the past, when Deadpool/New Mutants/X-Force and even the shows are in the present. There's just no stake in this prequel and won't have an affect to the events of the other films except for another Fc sequel , eh the thought of another Fc film.

As if they are crossing over anytime soon. Give me a break. Each spinoff is doing its own thing. A crossover with an actual X-Men team is way down the line. So the fact that the spinoffs are set in a different time period from the X-Men means NOTHING at this point.

 

[psyonic]

As if they are crossing over anytime soon. Give me a break. Each spinoff is doing its own thing. A crossover with an actual X-Men team is way down the line. So the fact that the spinoffs are set in a different time period from the X-Men means NOTHING at this point.

If they had Scarlet Witch in the XMU they can so the whole reality warp thing, but that's so convoluted even just thinking about it.

 

[x-er]

Just wait til we get pics Emma Frost in lingerie. Your hype will shoot straight up :P

 

[DACrowe]

Good job fox, you did it. Really, Singer- YOU did it. The essence of the X-men are unrecognizable. Its cruel, really. Like hanging out with a formerly dear close friend, that has drifted away- forced to conform in a relationship you know is bad for them. A prisoner, who's forced smiles have a distinct pain as you realize the person they used to be has sold their existence for a false idol.

I don't know who these people are but they aren't the x-men. Its not the actors. Its the theme, the essence of who the X-men are stripped away and now we're being force fed by some angry step mother who thinks we're ungrateful because we're disappointed that after being promised steak we got chopped liver.

And before you come clawing at me about costumes being unrealistic or origin stories being too bizarre- if that's your stance you're equally as jaded. The X-men are a family. They don't represent a political idea, they're not the Avengers, they're not a bunch of loners fighting for an dream besides themselves, they're not blue and yellow spandex, they're not black leather, they're not one character leading a team a misfits, they're not a stepping stone for someones film, graphic novel, or whatever career for that matter. They're a family unified by the bond of persecution, learning how being different makes them uniquely gifted to not only fight for Xaviers dream but for hope for all mankind. and mutantkind.

I cant get hyped for this movie because there is no indication that we're goin to see these X-men.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope you are agreeing with him and not being sarcastic by posting that gif.

We all know how Fox mishandled the X-Men. And it will only get worse from here now that Simon Kinberg took the directing duties.

 

[SumT]

Kinberg also has ultrafans, psy.
I guess if "haters" exist, we can also use the term ultrafans, right? lol

or hardcore, whatever the word is

 

[dax]

If FOX really mishandled the X-men, then this franchise would be in the same position as the Fantastic 4 franchise with only 3 box office flops and no chance of ever recovering. After 17 years and 10 movies in the franchise (with 3 more on the way), FOX must be doing something right with the X-men and it's premature to assume the worst out of the upcoming X-men films without seeing them.

 

[psylockolussus]

They are inconsistent. And box office performance isn't just the main criteria. Look at transformers. That being said, the X-Men movies should have been as big as the Avengers and Gotg at the box office.

 

[SumT]

yeah, the X-Men never entered the big leagues (Lord of the rings, Harry Potter, Pirates, Avatar, Avengers...) so Fox approach didnt click 100% with general audience.
The X-Men had all the potential to be huge, with both fans, critics and the masses, but... quite a few creative decisions hurt the main franchise. And since day 1, not just now or with XMA.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If FOX really mishandled the X-men, then this franchise would be in the same position as the Fantastic 4 franchise with only 3 box office flops and no chance of ever recovering. After 17 years and 10 movies in the franchise (with 3 more on the way), FOX must be doing something right with the X-men and it's premature to assume the worst out of the upcoming X-men films without seeing them.

your wasting time dealing with those who rant 24/7 against every film in series.

even now with the pilot episode of the gifted gets good reviews it's still just bash bash bash.they can't keep hiding behind mixed reaction to
Apocalypse.

 

[def28]

The majority of new Marvel tv has taken a plunge in quality with the exception of Legion.

Gifted is decent, it has a similar Audience and Critic score as Defenders. Neither were horrible, but not anything to write home about unlike Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Legion. When the reviews are as strong as those three the audience reception almost always reflect that.

 

[psylockolussus]

yeah, the X-Men never entered the big leagues (Lord of the rings, Harry Potter, Pirates, Avatar, Avengers...) so Fox approach didnt click 100% with general audience.
The X-Men had all the potential to be huge, with both fans, critics and the masses, but... quite a few creative decisions hurt the main franchise. And since day 1, not just now or with XMA.

I knew Apocalypse wasn't gonna be as successful as Dofp, the moment they dropped the Ot cast. And the cast had more X-Men. This franchise could have been bigger if they aren't so invested into these younger versions... When a spin off film makes more money than a film with a bunch of X-Men, you know Fox is missing something especially the X-Men movies arent even rated R unlike Deadpool.

 

[SumT]

You are totally right.
Deadpool first movie doing more than all X-Men movies ever is the best sign that something isnt working with Fox vision of the X-Men. Its crazy and dissapointing at the same time

 

[psylockolussus]

Dofp really set up exciting things for the X-Men, the original stars are back. Older Beast looks like Beast, Rogue who was mia made a cameo, Jean and Cyclops are resurrected. Like they could have made a movie with them after being gone for years, while Storm, Kitty, Iceman could have done more since they only appeared in 1/3 of Dofp. While Colossus could have been the bridge between the present day X-Men and Deadpool. But no. Must go back to the past. Even I didn't think Apocalypse wouldgo low as $154 milliion in America, couldn't even outgross X1 after years of ticket inflation. That just shows that the audience aren't invested in another First Classfilms. While films with the ot cast could have been bigger if they just let the other characters shine.

If MCU had the team right after X2, Nightcrawler would have been used in X3 and not dropped because of the writer's inability in giving him a decent sized role. If Angel had appeared, it would have led to him.joining the team. Beast, Kitty,Iceman wouldn't be out of the picture to make room.for Wolverine films. They would have done both Wolverine and X-Men ensembles. The management at Fox is just a mess. And it will be a big wonder if New Mutants and X-Force,smaller mutant teams ended up more successful than the actual X-Men films.

 

[SumT]

Im a bit worried with NM boxoffice. Its the First team spinoff and they deserve success, but how will the GA responder to a bunch of new mutants that happen to be teenagers too? I really hope it reachs $400m at least, doing similar to Kingsman 1 would be a hit to me

 

[psylockolussus]

New Mutants is probably cheap. Though if it flops it won't disappoint me as I am more of a X-Men guy than New Mutants. Also the lack of costumes wouldn't help. Though I am sure it will be better than Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.

Anyway, the big problem is the X-Men, an upcoming X-Men should have the same hype as the next Avengers but nope. It doesn't even have the hype for the first Black Panther film or the first Captain Marvel film.