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Hi, I saw Star Trek (2009) on Friday and thought it was excellent. Awesome. Very good. One thing confused me though...
I thought it was VERY cool how instead of erasing all the past Star Trek movies they just created an alternate timeline... but here's my question...
Won't old Spock just inform the "alternate timeline" crew (of Chris Pine/Zack Quinto, etc.) about all the dangers they are going to face. What I mean is, for example, just because Nero showed up in the past, changed the timeline a bit, and caused trouble in the past, that doesn't mean he changed anything about Kahn, his plot, the events of the Search for Spock, etc.
See what I mean? I'm sure the answer to this question is just "don't think too hard about it"... "it's just a movie, go with it"... but I am still confused on how Star Trek 2 is going to just have brand new adventures. Just cause old Spock and Nero changed the timeline a bit doesn't mean Kahn never existed and isn't still up to no good. Hell, old Spock probably knows about how James Kirk dies (in Star Trek Generations). I mean Spock was his close friend; I'm sure he knows Kirk's ultimate fate... old Spock can give the alternate timeline crew the heads up on everything to come....
So.. yeah... help?
I thought it was VERY cool how instead of erasing all the past Star Trek movies they just created an alternate timeline... but here's my question...
Won't old Spock just inform the "alternate timeline" crew (of Chris Pine/Zack Quinto, etc.) about all the dangers they are going to face. What I mean is, for example, just because Nero showed up in the past, changed the timeline a bit, and caused trouble in the past, that doesn't mean he changed anything about Kahn, his plot, the events of the Search for Spock, etc.
See what I mean? I'm sure the answer to this question is just "don't think too hard about it"... "it's just a movie, go with it"... but I am still confused on how Star Trek 2 is going to just have brand new adventures. Just cause old Spock and Nero changed the timeline a bit doesn't mean Kahn never existed and isn't still up to no good. Hell, old Spock probably knows about how James Kirk dies (in Star Trek Generations). I mean Spock was his close friend; I'm sure he knows Kirk's ultimate fate... old Spock can give the alternate timeline crew the heads up on everything to come....
So.. yeah... help?
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The thing is that Nero and Spock, by going back to the past, have altered the future and thus no one, not even Spock, could predict what will happen. Perhaps Spock won't die in this alternate timeline, because in his own timeline Vulcan was never destroyed, so Spock is wise to not tell his younger self about the future when everything seems to be in flux and not set in stone.
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This one was a thrill. In my opinion, Star Trek hasn't been this good since First Contact. That was the last time an ST movie combined awesome action sequences, genuine emotion, a sprinkling of light but not silly comedy, and a focus on character development overall as well as this.
J.J. Abrams deserves a ton of praise for this, ditto Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci. To take on a reboot of this franchise that respects the mythos without being so slavish as to prevent some of the story's effectiveness (killing off Amanda and Vulcan itself aren't exactly small matters) is an incredible task, but boy, does it work. Just like Batman Begins and Casino Royale, it absolutely works for the non-fan, it's totally accessible. And Abrams made a damn good action movie out of Star Trek! Nemesis tried to be a spectacular action flick, but...not so much, and I don't even think Wrath of Khan or the aforementioned First Contact really work as such. The drop with Kirk, Sulu, and the red shirt and the ensuing fight and just-in-time beam-up was one of the highlights (and in IMAX? Wow!)
Before he was even announced for it, I had my fingers crossed that Michael Giacchino would provide the score for the next Trek, and he delivered. I'm glad this didn't go the Superman Returns route, and heavily reuse the well-known and iconic Courage and Goldsmith theme; this movie is setting out to make some new icons, after all, so some new themes are required. Giacchino's score on The Incredibles is one of my all-time favorites, and this ranks up there. I can see him becoming the new Jerry Goldsmith for this series.
The crowd for this movie really, really dug it, and just about every shoutout or reference to the original series got a big laugh or applause, or both: Kirk and the green-skinned chick, "I'm givin' her all she's got," "Damn it, I'm a doctor, not a physicist," the nerve pinch, on and on. Again, though, none of it leaves those who don't know a Tribble from a tricorder out, it's totally accessible.
But the movie's biggest asset is the cast. I was satisfied with the casting before, but I'm surprised at just how well all of them fit, and how I don't find myself missing any of the original actors and wishing I were, say, watching Walter Koenig instead. Chris Pine's brasher, more arrogant, and wilder Kirk recalls Shatner and the classic hero we all know without imitating him. I always thought Zachary Quinto would be a perfect new Spock, and boy, was I right. The character is taken to some interesting new places, trying to have the best of both worlds by suppressing his emotions like a good Vulcan yet still maintaining certain emotional attachments (his relationship with Uhura, for example). His scene with the elder...er..him is...well, I'll just stick with 'fascinating.' Karl Urban was an excellent Bones, providing the closest thing to an imitation of an original cast member (next to Anton Yelchin's Chekov), but it was more homage than flat-out impression, and a good one too. If I didn't know this was the same actor who played Eomer in The Lord of the Rings, I probably wouldn't have guessed. Zoe Saldana is very charming and obviously very sexy as Nyota (was that first name canon before this movie?) Uhura. Yelchin, John Cho, and Simon Pegg also just fit in smaller, subtlety-free parts. Eric Bana, too, is solid in a role that's pretty thinly-scripted. However, what I really dig about Nero is that he's basically Spock's Khan; Spock was due for an enemy that was his own, and Nero was just that. The first thing that leaps out to me cast-wise that I'd like to see in a sequel is I want Sulu to be given a characteristic other than fencing (which is not so much a characteristic). (On a last note, I do wish Nimoy hadn't been given the closing narration, because, like what I said about the music, this movie was about establishing new versions of old icons, and I think that was Chris Pine's moment. Hopefully in the sequel.)
Overall, I agree with all the "this summer's Iron Man" talk: it's a blast, but feels more like the setup for something bigger and better next go-round, and it's kind of a surpise. Star Trek is fun again.
J.J. Abrams deserves a ton of praise for this, ditto Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci. To take on a reboot of this franchise that respects the mythos without being so slavish as to prevent some of the story's effectiveness (killing off Amanda and Vulcan itself aren't exactly small matters) is an incredible task, but boy, does it work. Just like Batman Begins and Casino Royale, it absolutely works for the non-fan, it's totally accessible. And Abrams made a damn good action movie out of Star Trek! Nemesis tried to be a spectacular action flick, but...not so much, and I don't even think Wrath of Khan or the aforementioned First Contact really work as such. The drop with Kirk, Sulu, and the red shirt and the ensuing fight and just-in-time beam-up was one of the highlights (and in IMAX? Wow!)
Before he was even announced for it, I had my fingers crossed that Michael Giacchino would provide the score for the next Trek, and he delivered. I'm glad this didn't go the Superman Returns route, and heavily reuse the well-known and iconic Courage and Goldsmith theme; this movie is setting out to make some new icons, after all, so some new themes are required. Giacchino's score on The Incredibles is one of my all-time favorites, and this ranks up there. I can see him becoming the new Jerry Goldsmith for this series.
The crowd for this movie really, really dug it, and just about every shoutout or reference to the original series got a big laugh or applause, or both: Kirk and the green-skinned chick, "I'm givin' her all she's got," "Damn it, I'm a doctor, not a physicist," the nerve pinch, on and on. Again, though, none of it leaves those who don't know a Tribble from a tricorder out, it's totally accessible.
But the movie's biggest asset is the cast. I was satisfied with the casting before, but I'm surprised at just how well all of them fit, and how I don't find myself missing any of the original actors and wishing I were, say, watching Walter Koenig instead. Chris Pine's brasher, more arrogant, and wilder Kirk recalls Shatner and the classic hero we all know without imitating him. I always thought Zachary Quinto would be a perfect new Spock, and boy, was I right. The character is taken to some interesting new places, trying to have the best of both worlds by suppressing his emotions like a good Vulcan yet still maintaining certain emotional attachments (his relationship with Uhura, for example). His scene with the elder...er..him is...well, I'll just stick with 'fascinating.' Karl Urban was an excellent Bones, providing the closest thing to an imitation of an original cast member (next to Anton Yelchin's Chekov), but it was more homage than flat-out impression, and a good one too. If I didn't know this was the same actor who played Eomer in The Lord of the Rings, I probably wouldn't have guessed. Zoe Saldana is very charming and obviously very sexy as Nyota (was that first name canon before this movie?) Uhura. Yelchin, John Cho, and Simon Pegg also just fit in smaller, subtlety-free parts. Eric Bana, too, is solid in a role that's pretty thinly-scripted. However, what I really dig about Nero is that he's basically Spock's Khan; Spock was due for an enemy that was his own, and Nero was just that. The first thing that leaps out to me cast-wise that I'd like to see in a sequel is I want Sulu to be given a characteristic other than fencing (which is not so much a characteristic). (On a last note, I do wish Nimoy hadn't been given the closing narration, because, like what I said about the music, this movie was about establishing new versions of old icons, and I think that was Chris Pine's moment. Hopefully in the sequel.)
Overall, I agree with all the "this summer's Iron Man" talk: it's a blast, but feels more like the setup for something bigger and better next go-round, and it's kind of a surpise. Star Trek is fun again.
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Spock can't say "on stardate such and such you will encounter this or that ship of the alien race Biguglyheadious....because time has been changed. The Enterprise and crew are not now on the original timeline of events, so not only has what they originally did been changed, but who knows how it changed other things throughout the universe.
Example...
In original continuity the Enterprise encounters Khan's ship in space at a specific time.
In continuity now...with Vulcan destroyed, many Federation ships destroyed, and Kirk making Captain at a different time in his life and in the actual chronological date of the Federation...we don't know how this will change where he will travel in the Enterprise, because there is a different agenda for the Federation now. How will the loss of Vulcan and the creation of the black hole effect gravitational fields throughout the quadrant? Was someone on one of the destroyed Federation ships originally due to be transferred to the Enterprise, and if so, how does his not arriving and his replacement change events?
There are now many changes to take into account.
Yes, that's why this movie has made $150 million in 2 weeks. Because so many people hate Star Trek.
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Uh, way to make my point for me.
1.) Most people like shallow, big budget action films with attractive actors
2.) Star Trek movies are often thoughtful and talky, the cast unglamorous.
3.) J.J. Abrams made a shallow, big budget action film with attractive actors.
Thus a **** ton of people went to see Star Trek. Duh.
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And alot of hardcore ST fans did love it. My theater was filled with them. We all applauded at the end.
This isn't Roddenberry's ST to a certain degree. It's just another vision of the the world that Roddenberry created. I think people need to get out what Roddenberry and other ST shows did then (though I'm not saying it's irelavant) and look at this vision as a new beginning.
It's just a different interpretation of ST. ST doesn't alway sneed to involve deep thinking layerd (not to say that is bad) films. It can work this way as well. I think people are just grasping onto what the original show was about and comparing them.
This is a fresh take.
This isn't Roddenberry's ST to a certain degree. It's just another vision of the the world that Roddenberry created. I think people need to get out what Roddenberry and other ST shows did then (though I'm not saying it's irelavant) and look at this vision as a new beginning.
It's just a different interpretation of ST. ST doesn't alway sneed to involve deep thinking layerd (not to say that is bad) films. It can work this way as well. I think people are just grasping onto what the original show was about and comparing them.
This is a fresh take.
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also im pretty sure its against the Prime Directive to tell them everything that may happen.
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Saw this movie today, and while not as good as the critics make out (its certainly no TDK, and this is coming from someone who doesnt drool over TDK), it is still a great piece of Sci-fi and a very entertaining movie, not to mention the best Trek movie to date (First Contact was the only other one I really liked).
The acting is great, and it is great seeing Eric Bana portray a bad guy as I like him as an actor, in fact my only major beef with the movie is that we didnt see as much of Eric Bana as Nero as I would have liked, his story was sort of glossed over a bit too quickly. Thought Bana was great though.
All of the other actors were fine though, including the usually solid Bruce Greenwood, Karl Urban and Zoe Saldana (who is a hotty). Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto surprised me by stepping up to the plate and taking to their roles like a fish to water and Simon Pegg was a riot also once he got on screen. It wasnt as action packed as I thought it would be, but thats not a bad thing most times, though as a Sci-fi fan, i would have preferred one more space battle to be shown in the movie. As a Serenity fan, it was also awesome to hear that word uttered by Spock's father, though not sure if it was a nod or not.
Overall, JUST a 9 for me as i was getting a little bored toward the end until the 3rd act switched into gear, the excellent third is what just pushed this over the line onto a 9/10.
The acting is great, and it is great seeing Eric Bana portray a bad guy as I like him as an actor, in fact my only major beef with the movie is that we didnt see as much of Eric Bana as Nero as I would have liked, his story was sort of glossed over a bit too quickly. Thought Bana was great though.
All of the other actors were fine though, including the usually solid Bruce Greenwood, Karl Urban and Zoe Saldana (who is a hotty). Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto surprised me by stepping up to the plate and taking to their roles like a fish to water and Simon Pegg was a riot also once he got on screen. It wasnt as action packed as I thought it would be, but thats not a bad thing most times, though as a Sci-fi fan, i would have preferred one more space battle to be shown in the movie. As a Serenity fan, it was also awesome to hear that word uttered by Spock's father, though not sure if it was a nod or not.
Overall, JUST a 9 for me as i was getting a little bored toward the end until the 3rd act switched into gear, the excellent third is what just pushed this over the line onto a 9/10.
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