"I am Doom...What Gods Dare Stand Against Me"---The official Dr. Doom Thread

[Saitou Hajime]

I'm not sure you can really bastardize the Mandarin, given that the character's history and tradition has always been perpetual reimagination, each consecutive version radically different from the previous one.

 

[Superhero 101]

Oh man just saw the doom pic looks really weird

 

[Farren]

Oh man just saw the doom pic looks really weird

You're among friends. You can admit it: it's awful.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Some people are actually saying they like it because it looks creepy and disturbing and gross. Which is the antithesis of Doom.

Some people will go to any lengths just to be contrarian.

I always thought the antithesis of doom was that of power, regal and an imposing presence

The kind of guy you see and know he looks stupid in his outfit but by Christ you weren't gonna tell him that

I never got creepy or disturbing from the doom character.

 

[Orba]

I can't decide if Fox dragged it's feet on pulling these pics because the budget couldn't afford ninjas to be on the lookout, or because they wanted the pictures out there to prove this film is actually being made.

I wouldn't be surprised if its the second, the only time we ever seemed to get actual statements from Fox on the film is anytime something came out that made it seem like the film wasn't happening.

 

[Dark Raven]

I always thought the antithesis of doom was that of power, regal and an imposing presence

The kind of guy you see and know he looks stupid in his outfit but by Christ you weren't gonna tell him that

I never got creepy or disturbing from the doom character.

Epitome, not antithesis.

Antithesis means the complete opposite. Which is why RAE072 said "creepy and disturbing and gross. Which is the antithesis of Doom." He was correct in how he used it.

The complete opposite of Doom is not that of power, regal and an imposing presence!

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'm pretty sure that won't be his final look. We don't know what point of the film is that from and maybe something has happened to him.

Could be like Electro. He wore the hoody for one scene and had a proper costume later on. or Doc Ock where he wore hospital robes at first then a 'costume' for the remainder of the movie

As long as Doom's personality is intact, why should his appearance matter? Don't you guys think it's an overreaction to call his appearance "terrible" after seeing an unfinished set picture taken out of context? It's not the final product. He could end up looking much closer to the Doom we know and love in the movie.

Yes.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Epitome, not antithesis.

Antithesis means the complete opposite. Which is why RAE072 said "creepy and disturbing and gross. Which is the antithesis of Doom." He was correct in how he used it.

The complete opposite of Doom is not that of power, regal and an imposing presence!

Fair point brain fart,

That's what I get for posting at 8: 30am half asleep on a bus.

 

[Drz]

If the N-Zone rumors are true (most of the movie taking place there) then i can see the leak pics being his look for the movie, because how could he have his Latverian monarch gear when he's in another dimension?

This is why people being so mad at leaked pictures is so pointless, but then again, here i am participating in it. :*( You would have thought Quicksilver from this summer's X-Men would have shown people to never judge things based off pictures.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As long as Doom's personality is intact, why should his appearance matter? Don't you guys think it's an overreaction to call his appearance "terrible" after seeing an unfinished set picture taken out of context? It's not the final product. He could end up looking much closer to the Doom we know and love in the movie.

Because film has been a visual medium since its inception. It is kind of the point.

Shining is a well liked book. Clockwork Orange is, also. Bad examples. I am talking about a good version of something that has a bad foundation. Most Stephen King based films at least have a decent foundation, and Clockwork Orange did as well.

Avengers 2 is making changes, yes, but Marvel has been good about incorporating newer elements and such into their ideas while keeping the heart of what the title stands for. Their biggest change is the Mandarin, who I wouldn't call a BAD villain. He is a racial stereotype, yes, but he is still a decent comic book villain. Granted, Marvel changed him A LOT, and the end product was a solid movie IMO (though many argue that one in fandom). Pym's version of the origin will never be declared bad. Making Ultron a creation of Stark is for pure conveniance for the plot, and it sort of makes sense.

What they're doing to Doom is not element incorporation. What we're seeing is a direct adaptation of an inferior version. This is not like giving Stark a public identity like in the Ultimates, or having SHIELD help bring the Avengers together. The heart and soul of the 616 characters was maintained in those translations, and with Doom, we know he is part of the experiment, and he directly looks like his Ultimate counterpart. This is a strong indication he won't resemble Doom in the way MCU Cap, Stark, etc resemble their characters with updates. I mean, even in the ultimate universe, they retooled Doom's appearance to look more like 616 Doom because someone down the line realized he looked stupid in their attempt to salvage him (though it failed). This is a straight up, poor version of Doom we're seeing.

I was in the FF board when the Story films were coming out, and plenty of people knew it was going to be bad before they came out, and I tried maintaining optimism during it. But in the end, they were right. All our worries came to pass, and both films sucked. This has the same feeling for a reason. All signs point to this being crap.

Exactly. If you have been here long enough, you have see this all before. Story's Fantastic Four, The Last Stand, Green Lantern, Origins, so on and so forth.

This is the return of Voldemort in Harry Potter on the Hype all over again.

Even as all the signs point to otherwise. There is a reason why they didn't go to Comic-Con. By this time next year this place is going to be a lot like this,

 

[brojinder]

Listen, I think Doom looks like ****, but the people who are using this as an excuse to forsake the film, as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid, and the only thing I can think of in response is the Quicksilver controversy.

 

[Dark Raven]

Listen, I think Doom looks like ****, but the people who are using this as an excuse to forsake the film, as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid, and the only thing I can think of in response is the Quicksilver controversy.

It's only the latest excuse of many. It's not as if this is the only one, and that everything else has looked good so far but people bail at the first sign of trouble. Doom's look is just symptomatic of the larger problem with this film that it's a cheap ass, heart-hearted production made only to retain the rights.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

1. Quicksilver was only a minor character, not the main villain. The two are not comparable.

2. This is far from the only thing wrong with the project. It is just the latest piece of crap on a pile full of it.

 

[Dark Raven]

1. Quicksilver was only a minor character, not the main villain. The two are not comparable.

2. This is far from the only thing wrong with the project. It is just the latest piece of crap on a pile full of it.

Yeah, it's like some people are expecting that, while you're sitting on the toilet having a dump, suddenly out pops a golden nugget from your ass and lands on the rest of the **** pile.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

And part of the Quicksilver controversy was tied to the fact that Joss had already announced he was using him in AoU, which made it appear to many that Fox was sticking it to Marvel. So this subtext has come full circle.

 

[brojinder]

I'm not even super optimistic or excited for the movie, it just makes me angry that people see Doom and go, "Oh, THIS means the movie will be bad!"

 

[Farren]

It's only the latest excuse of many. It's not as if this is the only one, and that everything else has looked good so far but people bail at the first sign of trouble. Doom's look is just symptomatic of the larger problem with this film that it's a cheap ass, heart-hearted production made only to retain the rights.

This.

The costume itself doesn't spell disaster. But given the context of what we know about the movie ... it just fits the trend of not looking good. Announcement of the production just after the Disney/Marvel merger; talk of a low budget; not much in the way of location shooting; the the studio line that it's all about making the characters "real" and about "losing control of your body" and "disabilities." It all just points to a desire to keep the rights on the cheap, and so they're handing it off to Trank to make something more like a Chronicle reboot than a FF reboot.

I'm all for doing something different -- I love the MCU but variety and originality can be good too -- but when that "different" seems to come from an attempt to mash up the source material with another vision on the cheap, I see a bad foundation. If Fox were really embracing going in a different direction and showing confidence in this movie, I'd be more inclined to think "Okay, they must know they have SOMETHING good going on here and I'll give it a shot." But that's not the pattern here.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Listen, I think Doom looks like ****, but the people who are using this as an excuse to forsake the film, as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid, and the only thing I can think of in response is the Quicksilver controversy.

 

[TeeKay]

Listen, I think Doom looks like ****, but the people who are using this as an excuse to forsake the film, as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid, and the only thing I can think of in response is the Quicksilver controversy.

A lot of people criticized how he looked. He still looked like **** even though he had a great scene.

Yeah, it's like some people are expecting that, while you're sitting on the toilet having a dump, suddenly out pops a golden nugget from your ass and lands on the rest of the **** pile.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Completely agree with the last few post. This isn't like the Doom look is the first sign of trouble. It is just another example on a pile of problems.

 

[Kelly]

Listen, I think Doom looks like ****, but the people who are using this as an excuse to forsake the film, as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid, and the only thing I can think of in response is the Quicksilver controversy.

I'm not even super optimistic or excited for the movie, it just makes me angry that people see Doom and go, "Oh, THIS means the movie will be bad!"

Those that are very disappointed in this look of Doom have given far more reasons they believe this movie will not the quality they want. You really need to read more on the forum.

You know better, but will applaud anything that says another opinion that you also disagree with is stupid.

And the simple fact that comic books are just as much a form of artwork as they are literature and adaptations really should respect that.... really makes statements like "as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid," definitely shows me that that point is missed by the poster as well.

 

[brojinder]

Those that are very disappointed in this look of Doom have given far more reasons they believe this movie will not the quality they want. You really need to read more on the forum.



You know better, but will applaud anything that says another opinion that you also disagree with is stupid.

And the simple fact that comic books are just as much a form of artwork as they are literature and adaptations really should respect that.... really makes statements like "as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid," definitely shows me that that point is missed by the poster as well.

Trust me, I know comics are a form of artwork and literature and all that, I'm the first to defend them, but that's not what I'm talking about? I'm just saying that a character's costume doesn't dictate how a movie is going to turn out. We have no idea what the context of that scene is, just that Doom looks stupid. No clue if that's how Doom will look through out the movie, or if its specific to that scene.
Regarding the disappointed people, I wasn't even referring just to this forum. I've seen a lot of people (on other sites too) write the movie off because of how Doom looks. I'm not even disagreeing with the idea that the movie will be terrible.

And I'm working on reading more of the forum.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Art is definitely very important in comics. Nothing turns me off a book faster than terrible artwork.

 

[Dark Raven]

Trust me, I know comics are a form of artwork and literature and all that, I'm the first to defend them, but that's not what I'm talking about? I'm just saying that a character's costume doesn't dictate how a movie is going to turn out. We have no idea what the context of that scene is, just that Doom looks stupid. No clue if that's how Doom will look through out the movie, or if its specific to that scene.
Regarding the disappointed people, I wasn't even referring just to this forum. I've seen a lot of people (on other sites too) write the movie off because of how Doom looks. I'm not even disagreeing with the idea that the movie will be terrible.

And I'm working on reading more of the forum.

As people have already explained, that's only the latest offence of many. Even if Doom had a decent costume, that's not suddenly going to make everyone drop all their grievances with this movie which started long before that leaked picture ever appeared. You make it sound like everyone was happy before with the film so far, but then one bad picture and everyone jumps on the bandwagon and writes it off.

 

[cronosred]

Listen, I think Doom looks like ****, but the people who are using this as an excuse to forsake the film, as if Doom's look affects the movie's quality, are ridiculous. That's just stupid, and the only thing I can think of in response is the Quicksilver controversy.

Galactus in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.