The Amazing Spider-Man I love Spider-Man but I hope this movie fails.

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Initially I had to get used to Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man and while looking at the film again it does have tons of cheesy moments but I was fine with him coming back for a 4th film.

I understand Sony's mentality in just making money no matter who directs the film but they did it in such a sleezy underhanded way that part of me wants for Amazing Spider-Man to be a huge bomb but not to the extent where it leaves a bad taste for all upcoming comicbook films.
 
Initially I had to get used to Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man and while looking at the film again it does have tons of cheesy moments but I was fine with him coming back for a 4th film.

I understand Sony's mentality in just making money no matter who directs the film but they did it in such a sleezy underhanded way that part of me wants for Amazing Spider-Man to be a huge bomb but not to the extent where it leaves a bad taste for all upcoming comicbook films.

Wow, like...that wasn't one of the most biased posts ever..within the last 2 minutes.
 
yeah, let's not even consider for a second that ASM might actually be a good film or even better than the previous ones. Let's just have it bomb because Sony's greedy.
 
I hope this movie succeeds, Spider-Man is big enough not to need to be part of the Marvel Cinematic universe, the director is good and doesn't deserve to have a failure, the only thing is that Daredevil and Spider-Man should be ouned byt the same studios as those 2 should exist in the same universe
 
Initially I had to get used to Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man and while looking at the film again it does have tons of cheesy moments but I was fine with him coming back for a 4th film.

I understand Sony's mentality in just making money no matter who directs the film but they did it in such a sleezy underhanded way that part of me wants for Amazing Spider-Man to be a huge bomb but not to the extent where it leaves a bad taste for all upcoming comicbook films.

Read my last comment why don't ya!

I hope you are not as sleazy as your Avatar or as sleazy as you make Sony out to be.

Also, spell sleazy right.
 
Wow, like...that wasn't one of the most biased posts ever..within the last 2 minutes.

I know right. If you guys are gonna be hatemongers towards Sony and TASM, take that crap to the Non-Spoiler forum or the Batman Thread where we don't have to see it or read it.

Raimi-obsessed mother..... UGH!

Sorry. But I can't stand this stuff. Can a SHH Admin close this thread please?
 
Initially I had to get used to Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man and while looking at the film again it does have tons of cheesy moments but I was fine with him coming back for a 4th film.

I understand Sony's mentality in just making money no matter who directs the film but they did it in such a sleezy underhanded way that part of me wants for Amazing Spider-Man to be a huge bomb but not to the extent where it leaves a bad taste for all upcoming comicbook films.

Yah, you're definitely awesome there bud! :whatever:
 
Spider-Man (2002) was the word of mouth hit that started the big superhero movie boom of the mid 2000s. Fast forward to 2005 and we have Batman Begins, the movie that began the other big tend of the past decade, the reboot. The success of Batman Begins showed the studios that fans were willing to shell out for re-imaginations of successful franchises that have died out. Since then we've gotten a reboot of just about every classic slasher series, many classic films from the 50s-80s, and even box office disappointments from the same decade (ie. 2003s Hulk and 2008s Incredible Hulk), but when do you draw the line? Whatever your opinions are, at this point to me, I think Sony has crossed said line.

The question many people have is "why reboot Spider-Man?", and the answer is greed. Now lets start by comparing Spider-Man 3 to two other final films in franchises that were ultimately rebooted, Batman and Robin of the Burton/Schumacher Batman series, and Ang Lees Hulk.

Batman & Robin
Budget: $125 million
Box Office Gross: $238,207,122
Critics Rating via Rotten Tomatoes: %13 (rotten)
Reason For Reboot: Disappointing Box Office and poor critical reception.

Hulk
Budget: $137 million
Box Office Gross: $245,360,480
Critics Rating via Rotten Tomatoes: %62 (fresh)
Reason For Reboot: Disappointing Box Office and mixed critical reception.

Spider-Man 3
Budget: $258 million
Box Office Gross: $890,871,626
Critics Rating Via Rotten Tomatoes: %63 (fresh)
Reason For Reboot: Disagreements with director Sam Raimi leading to his departure along with the rest of the cast and mixed Critical Reception.

Now what do these 3 movies have in common? At first glance it might seem like a substantial amount of poor reviews, but take a closer look at why Raimi and Co left and money becomes a second constant. How so? Well let us get into what Raimi had disagreements with the studio about, the villain. The same argument that lead to the late production rewrite of Spider-Man 3.

Sam and Ivan Raimi pen a story utilizing Harry Osborn, the Sandman, and the Vulture as the antagonists for the third installment in the Spider-Man franchise. The studio however has been feeling pressure from the fans to force the inclusion of Venom into the story, believing he is most marketable. Raimi having openly acknowledged his dislike for the character since the release of the first film, was opposed but ultimately caved, removing the vulture and giving his small part to Venom. What was the end result? A huge campaign centering Venom that lead to record breaking opening day/weekend box office numbers, and a disappointed fan base.

In the end what did the studio learn about manipulating the director and his creative vision? That it leads to huge box office yields. So in Spider-Man 4 when Sam Raimi wanted to use the Vulture (an old man they didnt find marketable), the studio knew they had to spice it up. Their solution, the Vultress, a new villainess who happens to be named Felicia Hardy to attract fans. In the end Raimi and James Vanderbilt came up with a convoluted story that Sam just didnt think was up to par. Rather than reasoning with him, the studio said they were going to stand firm and he chose to leave.

What's big deal? The way Sony handled Spider-Man 3 and the canceled 4 show they hold the director and writer's creative vision very low in their priorities. Rather than resistance it seems they prefer to someone who will just act as a figurative marionette puppet as they pull the strings, pandering to the fans. Sony once said they could not see themselves signing off on a villian like the Lizard (because he is so strange looking). After the reboot was announced buz about the Lizard surfaced (because we saw connors in the Raimi series but never his alter ego) and low and behold the "strange looking" antagonist they signed off on.

In conclusion I think the studios need a message that they cant just pull the George Lucas card and expect to make boat loads of money. They need to have a colaborative effort with the cast, writers, and director in order to come up with a quality narrative that has us coming back again and again for more. I'll end by saying this to those who might laugh what I just said off because they disliked the Raimi/MaGuire Spider-Man Trilogy and like where Marc Webb is going. If they did it once and got away with it, whats changed that will stop them from repeating what made them money in the past?

Shucksheful twoll esh shucksheful.
 
I hope this movie succeeds, Spider-Man is big enough not to need to be part of the Marvel Cinematic universe, the director is good and doesn't deserve to have a failure, the only thing is that Daredevil and Spider-Man should be ouned byt the same studios as those 2 should exist in the same universe

I completely agree!
 
spider-man (2002) was the word of mouth hit that started the big superhero movie boom of the mid 2000s. Fast forward to 2005 and we have batman begins, the movie that began the other big tend of the past decade, the reboot. The success of batman begins showed the studios that fans were willing to shell out for re-imaginations of successful franchises that have died out. Since then we've gotten a reboot of just about every classic slasher series, many classic films from the 50s-80s, and even box office disappointments from the same decade (ie. 2003s hulk and 2008s incredible hulk), but when do you draw the line? Whatever your opinions are, at this point to me, i think sony has crossed said line.

The question many people have is "why reboot spider-man?", and the answer is greed. Now lets start by comparing spider-man 3 to two other final films in franchises that were ultimately rebooted, batman and robin of the burton/schumacher batman series, and ang lees hulk.

batman & robin
budget: $125 million
box office gross: $238,207,122
critics rating via rotten tomatoes: %13 (rotten)
reason for reboot: disappointing box office and poor critical reception.

hulk
budget: $137 million
box office gross: $245,360,480
critics rating via rotten tomatoes: %62 (fresh)
reason for reboot: disappointing box office and mixed critical reception.

spider-man 3
budget: $258 million
box office gross: $890,871,626
critics rating via rotten tomatoes: %63 (fresh)
reason for reboot: disagreements with director sam raimi leading to his departure along with the rest of the cast and mixed critical reception.

Now what do these 3 movies have in common? At first glance it might seem like a substantial amount of poor reviews, but take a closer look at why raimi and co left and money becomes a second constant. How so? Well let us get into what raimi had disagreements with the studio about, the villain. The same argument that lead to the late production rewrite of spider-man 3.

Sam and ivan raimi pen a story utilizing harry osborn, the sandman, and the vulture as the antagonists for the third installment in the spider-man franchise. The studio however has been feeling pressure from the fans to force the inclusion of venom into the story, believing he is most marketable. Raimi having openly acknowledged his dislike for the character since the release of the first film, was opposed but ultimately caved, removing the vulture and giving his small part to venom. What was the end result? A huge campaign centering venom that lead to record breaking opening day/weekend box office numbers, and a disappointed fan base.

In the end what did the studio learn about manipulating the director and his creative vision? That it leads to huge box office yields. So in spider-man 4 when sam raimi wanted to use the vulture (an old man they didnt find marketable), the studio knew they had to spice it up. Their solution, the vultress, a new villainess who happens to be named felicia hardy to attract fans. In the end raimi and james vanderbilt came up with a convoluted story that sam just didnt think was up to par. Rather than reasoning with him, the studio said they were going to stand firm and he chose to leave.

What's big deal? The way sony handled spider-man 3 and the canceled 4 show they hold the director and writer's creative vision very low in their priorities. Rather than resistance it seems they prefer to someone who will just act as a figurative marionette puppet as they pull the strings, pandering to the fans. Sony once said they could not see themselves signing off on a villian like the lizard (because he is so strange looking). After the reboot was announced buz about the lizard surfaced (because we saw connors in the raimi series but never his alter ego) and low and behold the "strange looking" antagonist they signed off on.

In conclusion i think the studios need a message that they cant just pull the george lucas card and expect to make boat loads of money. They need to have a colaborative effort with the cast, writers, and director in order to come up with a quality narrative that has us coming back again and again for more. I'll end by saying this to those who might laugh what i just said off because they disliked the raimi/maguire spider-man trilogy and like where marc webb is going. If they did it once and got away with it, whats changed that will stop them from repeating what made them money in the past?

shucksheful twoll esh shucksheful.

are you speaking in tongues?


lmao rofl!
 
I understand where you guys are coming from. HOWEVER, I can EASILY see why a reboot is not a bad idea right now. Looking back at the last 3 films, I've grown to dislike how Maguire and Dust portrayed the characters of Perter and MJ. Before he became Spider-Man Peter starts off as the typical, average-looking high-school guy who just so happens to be a bit of a nerd. Unfortunately, Maguire did NOT fit the bill for that kind of role because IMO, he was too handsome to make that seem apparent, glasses or not. That and, as Spider-Man, he was done WAY too seriously and lacked the humor that Spidey's best known for while fighting bad guys!

As for MJ, even after she found out Peter was Spider-Man in the second movie, she always came across sounding harsh for some reason. In the comics, especially after they got married, she was always there to comfort him and keep him on his feet whenever he was down in the dumps. I never got that impression AT ALL from how the character was portrayed in any of these films! I'm not sure if Rami had anything to do with these problems in terms of the script, but it just made me feel uncomfortable and kinda unhappy, as I am a MASSIVE Spider-Man fan. With this new movie, it feels like they're going back to basics in terms of loyalty to the source material, ESPECIALLY with Peter's more casual appearance (BIG thanks can be given to Andrew Garfield's casting in regards to that), and having Gwen as the love interest (I personally thought her being shoehorned into Spider-Man 3 made NO SENSE AT ALL, given how she was BARELY involved in the plot whatsoever). As long as everything goes fine this time, this'll probably be Spider-Man AS IT SHOULD BE PORTRAYED.
 
I understand where you guys are coming from. HOWEVER, I can EASILY see why a reboot is not a bad idea right now. Looking back at the last 3 films, I've grown to dislike how Maguire and Dust portrayed the characters of Perter and MJ. Before he became Spider-Man Peter starts off as the typical, average-looking high-school guy who just so happens to be a bit of a nerd. Unfortunately, Maguire did NOT fit the bill for that kind of role because IMO, he was too handsome to make that seem apparent, glasses or not. That and, as Spider-Man, he was done WAY too seriously and lacked the humor that Spidey's best known for while fighting bad guys!

As for MJ, even after she found out Peter was Spider-Man in the second movie, she always came across sounding harsh for some reason. In the comics, especially after they got married, she was always there to comfort him and keep him on his feet whenever he was down in the dumps. I never got that impression AT ALL from how the character was portrayed in any of these films! I'm not sure if Rami had anything to do with these problems in terms of the script, but it just made me feel uncomfortable and kinda unhappy, as I am a MASSIVE Spider-Man fan. With this new movie, it feels like they're going back to basics in terms of loyalty to the source material, ESPECIALLY with Peter's more casual appearance (BIG thanks can be given to Andrew Garfield's casting in regards to that), and having Gwen as the love interest (I personally thought her being shoehorned into Spider-Man 3 made NO SENSE AT ALL, given how she was BARELY involved in the plot whatsoever). As long as everything goes fine this time, this'll probably be Spider-Man AS IT SHOULD BE PORTRAYED.

Peter Parker has been handsome since John Romita replaced Steve Ditko as the artist for The Amazing Spider-Man.
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Did you not read anything I commented? Did you not understand?



Also, whether you or anyone else who keep saying the Raimi franchise wasn't dead, listen here. The franchise was in fact dead wheter you want to accept it or not.

Could they have made for films? Yes but what would have been the point?

The main storyline of the series (The Goblin story) had ended with Harry's death in three and ALL of the biggest selling villains had been killed off (unceremoniously) already.

Going foward, there would have been no motive for continuing the franchise except for making money and massaging Sam Raimi's ego by letting him continue and create his good but very flawed interpretation of the Spider-man characters.

It was the right thing to do. The series would have started over soo wheter we liked it or not. Tobey and Kirsten weren't and aren't getting any younger and fans had already made known there numerous issues with there performances and portayal of the Spider-Man characters.

Also, I will admit this. Part of the reason Sony wanted to reboot was in fact because of money, but it wasn'tbecause they were being greedy or money hungry.

If you didn't know, Sony is in a HUGE financial bind right now. Sony Pictures is nearly on the verge of shutting down shop for good and, whether you get it or not, rebooting the Spider-man series is what needed to be done if Sony Pictures was gonna save itself.

Sony was gonna be stretched virtually beyond its means trying to make SM4. Not only was Sam Raimi demanding they give him a big budget so that he create Avatar level 3D aerial scenes with The Vulture and Spidey, Tobey was under contract to be paid 50 million dollars for Spider-man 4 and Spider-man 5, for a total of 100 million.

Sony may have used some rather dubious means of getting the reboot to come to fruition, pretty much forcing Raimi out by limiting the budget and forcing dumb rewrites knowing he and Tobey with him would leave but you have to understand that it had to be done. Period. You may not like it but letting go and understanding and respecting it will make life much easier.

We would have never gotten another Spidey film. At least a quality one had they gone through with otherwise.

Yes, the rights would have gone back to Marvel and you say it would have been better that way but do honestly think it would have been better when they don't have much of an interest in having that character under Marvel Studios?

Marvel Studios's MCU franchise is based on having shared universe, something neither Marvel nor Sony have an interest in doing with the Spider-man character.

Of course why they would like to have the film rights back, Marvel has gone on the record as saying they don't mind having Sony continuing to make Spider-Man films.

Marvel has the merchandising rights and Sony has the films rights. All is good in the Universe. No need to shake that up. Plus, having Spider-man under Marvel Studios would drive attention away from the character rather than towards it and ultimately towards ANOTHER REBOOT.

You're arguing against the alleaged pointlessness of the reboot but you want it the rights to go back to Marvel so that they can do the character right.... THAT'S WHAT SONY IS DOING. That's one of the main reason sSony is rebooting if not the main reason. Contrary to popular belief, studios, especially Sony, listen to us when it comes to these characters. We all had an numerous complaints about the Raimi series, SM3 in particular, so why wouldn't Sony want to start over and have it right from the get go?

You seem determined to hate on this reboot and blame it all on corporate greed and I was that way too but you need to understand that that is not what it is and there's reasons why this stuff has been done.

Besides, why hate on this reboot? Its bringing us a portrayal of the Spider-man character that's much closer to the character. Why despises that and build up films that didn't?

Also, you may complain about the reboot being too soon and that there's no reason for us to see the origin again but get real. We are going to see the origin again anytime new media of it comes out. Look at how many times we've seen the origin of Batman portrayed again? Too many times to count.

People, like you, may complain about the origin being showed again but ultimately that doesn't matter. What mattersk, is the film being good and respecting the source material that made it possible for it to be made.

Stop being so angry about the reboot and sit back and enjoy it. You'll be happier in the long run.

Iight tough guy. No need to through a tantrum. Okay you're an absolute idiot. You read nothing I said, and no we don't need to see the same movie over and over again and fyi, no ones really excited about the Spider-Man reboot, not that Spider-Man 4 was going to have anymore hype, but you act like its going to save the company. If theyre really dying like that they should liquidate their assets and sell rights to movie they have like hmmm...marvel did back in the 90s?
 
Iight tough guy. No need to through a tantrum. Okay you're an absolute idiot. You read nothing I said, and no we don't need to see the same movie over and over again and fyi, no ones really excited about the Spider-Man reboot

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No one really is. Theres like one trailer, and my friends don't think it looks good, they think the new Batman movie does, but I most of them are pretty indifferent. Maybe in the comic book community theres more hype but its built up kind of a lame amount of excitement, especially compared to Spider-Man 3.
 
I think what MJorDie meant is that we, the Superherohype posters, may be excited, but to the general public, they're not. Hopefully that'll change when the trailer comes out sometime next week.
 
Iight tough guy. No need to through a tantrum. Okay you're an absolute idiot. You read nothing I said, and no we don't need to see the same movie over and over again and fyi, no ones really excited about the Spider-Man reboot, not that Spider-Man 4 was going to have anymore hype, but you act like its going to save the company. If theyre really dying like that they should liquidate their assets and sell rights to movie they have like hmmm...marvel did back in the 90s?

You're absolutely delusional if you think that.
 
I think what MJorDie meant is that we, the Superherohype posters, may be excited, but to the general public, they're not. Hopefully that'll change when the trailer comes out sometime next week.

The general public isn't excited because they hardly know about it yet. Once the marketing really starts rolling out, people will get excited.
 
The general public isn't excited because they hardly know about it yet. Once the marketing really starts rolling out, people will get excited.

Just playing devil's advocate but is there anyway for us to actually determine something like that unless we all take surveys around the world? I mean to each of us, the "general population" will take different definitions and we don't have the metrics to determine who is interested and who isn't. Not saying you're wrong or anyone who feels that way is wrong but I just don't see how any of us can make that as an accurate statement, which ever side of the fence you're on.
 
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