Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[Marvolo]

Looks like they nuked the story at yahoo for now.....

The problem is if Fantastic Four does not do well, Fox could sue Josh Trank for causing financial damages due to his comments online. And Fox would win the suit too.

God, I hope so. I want this asshat finished in film once and for all. I'm so tired of his ****! Its not even what he did to F4 that upsets me the most. It's how he has behaved and his whole attitude that irritates me. Trank had Hollywood handed to him on a silver platter and he **** all over it and lit it on fire and then through it in everyone's face including the fans of F4 and then has the audacity to blame everyone else. **** him, and **** the night his parents bumped uglies and spawned him.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

What a silly post. "Trank had Hollywood handed to him on a silver platter", what sort of nonsense is this? it reeks of ignorance.

"what he did to F4?", dude, Fox has a history with this shi*, might want to read what Max Landis wrote on his Twitter yday about how the game works.

If you listen to Kev Smith's podcast, you'd know that Trank worked his butt off to got where he was, he didn't set out to ruin anything.

What some people like you don't like is that he has the balls (and possibly the stupidity) to speak his mind. What about his behavior? Rumors, anybody can spin anything on the subject, it's clear that everyone is distancing themselves from the movie and putting all the blame on Trank.

As a director, you can understand why he would speak up, having everyone badmouthing you when you got kicked in the nuts and sold down the river and have your movie, your frickin baby cut to shreds. Do you get that feeling?

 

[TheVileOne]

What a silly post. "Trank had Hollywood handed to him on a silver platter", what sort of nonsense is this? it reeks of ignorance.

"what he did to F4?", dude, Fox has a history with this shi*, might want to read what Max Landis wrote on his Twitter yday about how the game works.

If you listen to Kev Smith's podcast, you'd know that Trank worked his butt off to got where he was, he didn't set out to ruin anything.

What some people like you don't like is that he has the balls (and possibly the stupidity) to speak his mind. What about his behavior? Rumors, anybody can spin anything on the subject, it's clear that everyone is distancing themselves from the movie and putting all the blame on Trank.

As a director, you can understand why he would speak up, having everyone badmouthing you when you got kicked in the nuts and sold down the river and have your movie, your frickin baby cut to shreds. Do you get that feeling?

Yeah, I knew it was going to get ugly. But I don’t know, I think maybe there’s a part of me that needs adversity from the rest of the world in order to feel motivated to want to prove people wrong.
- Josh Trank

He said it.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

A rant by Max Landis on Twitter:

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 1h1 hour ago
Chronicle was an incredibly rare and easy ride. I loved writing the script. I enjoyed our producer, John Davis, and our exec, Steve."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 1h1 hour ago
I also loved collaborating with Josh, who I think is brilliant, and whose ideas inspired my script. I fought hard for him to direct."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 1h1 hour ago
But Chronicle was a complete fluke. We had so much control because the movie was, in relation to other movies that year, TINY."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 1h1 hour ago
Some holes opened up in Fox's slate and Chronicle was cheap and unique, so they were kind enough to make it. Only took 6 months."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 1h1 hour ago
At the time, I was like "THIS IS ****ING INCREDIBLE I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING." I'd sold scripts, but it was my first greenlight."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 59m59 minutes ago
During the shooting of the film, I had almost no input, but I was lucky in that the studio and Josh stuck astonishingly tight to my script."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 59m59 minutes ago
But again, even this is a fluke. It was an original idea, a dark character movie with a first time director. Fluke. Freak of nature."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 58m58 minutes ago
But I didn't know that and I'm sure Josh didn't know that either. In the five years since I sold Chronicle, I've learned the hard way."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 58m58 minutes ago
You take huge hits in this industry, creatively, but that's only after you've been given the opportunity to take huge swings, which is rare."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 57m57 minutes ago
A movie like Fantastic Four, an assignment with a lot riding on it, was always going to have a tremendous amount of cooks in the kitchen."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 58m58 minutes ago
People always ask me when I'm gonna write a superhero movie. I have. I've gotten those jobs. They're very intense and stressful."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 57m57 minutes ago
As a writer, I've been lucky to work on many, many projects, and seen how different and how hard each road can be, for five and a half years"

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 56m56 minutes ago
Josh didn't get that chance, and his second major project, after one with total freedom, was one with intense oversight."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 56m56 minutes ago
So I don't think anyone's wrong or right, necessarily, and I don't imagine anyone cares about my opinion."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 55m55 minutes ago
But I do think it's important to say that if you're not prepared going in to not FIGHT like hell, but WORK like hell, it's gonna get ugly."

"Max Landis ‏@Uptomyknees 55m55 minutes ago
No one is trying to make a bad movie."



That's why Trank would go apeshi* and out of control on Twitter, it's not professional, but he got burned.

A funny Tweet by Joe Carnahan: "Joe Carnahan ‏@carnojoe 7m7 minutes ago Los Angeles, CA
I just think of myself at roughly Trank's age on MI3 & if Twitter had been around then, I would have been a dead man with no career."

 

[Spiderdevil]

@Spiderdevil: It's clear that Josh doesn't give a crap now, he's been burned by everyone, he's taking the blame for everything, it just feels like payback time, not like he has anything to lose, he already lost the sequel and the Star Wars spin off.

I think he has a lot to lose, he is a young director with only one successful movie under his belt, and he has been a part of an abomination with failed to get into double digits on RT, probably will bomb financially but adding on to that he disowns the movie on opening day!

Can you imagine any Studio giving him a movie with a budget of more that 30m? He has lost a lot of potential jobs by that one statement

 

[Tim_Riggins]

He'll just do indie stuff until he gets out of "presumed" movie jail.

 

[Nardz937]

A documentary about the making of this movie would be more interesting than the actual movie.

 

[Leenie]

Yeah, he "lost" Star Wars way before this film's release.

Methinks the rumors about his unpredictable behavior had some truth to them. And look at how Trank is acting right now: He's a big old baby. Fox isn't innocent on the matter either. I just find it hilarious that they are both pointing fingers at each other. It's been a real hoot to witness all of this going down.

However, if Trank really was showing up to work inebriated and high, and if he really was skipping days of work, and if he really did cause $100K in property damage during filming, then it's no wonder that Fox is pointing fingers at his unprofessional, whiny butt. It's also no wonder why Disney fired him from making his Star Wars film. As many have said, Star Wars fans dodged a huge bullet there.

"A year ago, I had a better movie, and everyone would love it now" Wah wah, boo hoo. I call BS on that. Pretty sure it's his doing that the tone of the film seems so dour and unpleasant for an FF film. And like TheVileOne quoted, Trank himself went into the movie with a combative attitude towards the source material and its fans. He said that he wanted to make this movie a sequel to Chronicle because the source material was beneath him. (I fail to see how that makes sense, but okay; he said it).

The dude has also had meltdowns and sob stories on 4chan, for crying out loud. He's a mess. A pretentious, whiny mess. He deserves everything that's coming to him.

 

[Marvolo]

What a silly post. "Trank had Hollywood handed to him on a silver platter", what sort of nonsense is this? it reeks of ignorance.

"what he did to F4?", dude, Fox has a history with this shi*, might want to read what Max Landis wrote on his Twitter yday about how the game works.

If you listen to Kev Smith's podcast, you'd know that Trank worked his butt off to got where he was, he didn't set out to ruin anything.

What some people like you don't like is that he has the balls (and possibly the stupidity) to speak his mind. What about his behavior? Rumors, anybody can spin anything on the subject, it's clear that everyone is distancing themselves from the movie and putting all the blame on Trank.

As a director, you can understand why he would speak up, having everyone badmouthing you when you got kicked in the nuts and sold down the river and have your movie, your frickin baby cut to shreds. Do you get that feeling?

Really?

He was handed a Star Wars movie after a single film. Star Wars is creme of the crop and he had it handed to him after a single film. That's the very definition of silver platter.

And don't even try to downplay his involvement in this. This **** show is on him just as much as Fox. If he hadn't created a mess of a film to begin with Fox wouldn't have had to step in and fire him so there would have been no need for the awful reshoots.

And since when is Kevin Smith the authority on anything? Trank got himself fired from two major productions. That speaks for itself. This isn't a multi-studio conspiracy to ruin Trank. He ruined himself.

There is a difference between having balls, and laying your screwups at everyone else's feet. If Trank had balls he would just admit he ****ed up, got fired, and apologize for the mess he helped create or keep quiet and later tell his side of the story like an adult. Not go on twitter and act unprofessional and whine about how the big bad Fox ruined his "amazing" movie.

His baby was cut to shreds because it was a malformed repulsive spawn. This isn't the case of a studio ruining a good film. This is a case of a studio making something terrible into something equally terrible. Trank had no business trying to turn F4 into his own little indie experiment. He clearly had no respect for the property from the very beginning. And I'm not even a fan of the F4. I honestly wouldn't shed a single tear if the property was shelved for another decade. But there are people who are fans, and Trank **** on them and the property itself, and that is not ok. Fox did too. They have a part in all this and I never said they didn't, but I'm not going to pretend this was all them.

I'm just glad that Lucasfilm and Disney fired him before he had a chance to **** on a property that I actually do care dearly about.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

The tone of the film has nothing to do with it, it's a take, it's not because you expect something to be this way as a fan that it has to be this way, not that it matters here.

The problem with everything you say is that it's all rumors, all depicting Trank as the bad guy. The 4Chan stuff? Trank repeatedly said it wasn't him and the photo of him flipping the bird as "proof" that it was him was just a photoshop.


His behavior on Twitter and stuff like that is immature for sure, I'll give you that, but it's the reaction of a young director who's hurt, who's been sh** on for a while (it's easy to just say he deserves what's coming to him, first of all, that's ignorance, and second of all, an easy way to judge, people cannot be summed up by a rumor or two, or by an angry tweet).

Most directors or actors would just turn the other cheek and bite their lip and just keep quiet. Others just don't play the game the way they're supposed to, and people DONT LIKE IT, that's just the way it is, speak your mind? you're an *******, don't give the fans what they want and feel entitled to get? you're a moron who doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

You know what Marvolo? The problem here is that there are no facts. Rumors are what they are, rumors. Is there truth to them? If there is (and we don't know that), there's the possiblity it's been overblown.

The only thing we have is Fox being a studio with a history of sabotaging movies, a movie that is good for the first two thirds and then becomes a mess all of a sudden, reshoots (that are there on practically every movie, not to this degree though) that don't necessarily make a movie better.

There is a big assumption here that Trank doesn't know what the f he was doing (based on RUMORS, once more) and that Fox tried to "rescue" the movie, and "fix" it. Are we sure of that? isn't it possible that instead of fixing it, they ruined it further, this is Fox after all.

Or what if everyone is to blame simply.

 

[SyntaxError]

I am not going to jump on Trank because I think he is a talented filmmaker.

However, he shares the blame for this film. The 'big studio' narrative is used way too often for filmmakers to escape from tight positions.

Fact is he doesn't seem able to handle a big budget franchise and I am very relieved he was sacked from the Star Wars franchise. He's ruined one too many already.

 

[Leenie]

All I'm saying is that his behavior now doesn't help him out with those "false" rumors. He is doing no favors to anyone acting like a spoiled brat.

"Boo hoo hoo, I'm a director who's only made one movie, and I was given 2 big franchises to work on. Boo hoo hoo, I want to make these blockbusters into indie movies, because I'm a special snowflake and I hate comics. Booooo hoooooo."

Pardon me if I don't feel sorry for this brat. Lots of filmmakers have gone through this kind of stuff. Look at Marc Webb: He took the mixed reception of his TASM movies like a freaking champ, and was nothing but a class act about the whole thing (he recently gave Marvel Studios his best and his blessing on future Spider-Man movies). It was pretty clear that Sony meddled with almost everything involving those movies. Webb didn't cause drama over it. I despise the TASM movies, but I hope for the best for Marc Webb in his future endeavors because he acted like a professional.

Also, when it comes to fanboy outrage and entitlement, I think the fans actually ARE entitled to something with these movies. If we're being promised a Fantastic Four movie, then of course the audience is going to expect a Fantastic Four movie! Not this "dark and gritty" garbage.

 

[chamber-music]

Gareth Edwards had the same career path as Trank low budget sci-fi (Monsters), to big budget sci-fi (Godzilla), to the biggest budget sci-fi (Star Wars: Rogue One).

Edwards seems to have navigated it pretty well.

I get the feeling Trank brought into his own hype.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Yes, Edwards did, the thing is though, Godzilla was at WB/Legendary, and we know that WB and Legendary (since Legendary is with Universal now) are very director friendly and WB themselves have had long standing relationships like Nolan, Affleck, Eastwood who cherish collaborating with them.

Fox on the other side has had its fair share of troubled relationships with directors and has had many stories of hacked up movies.

But speaking of Edwards, Godzilla had its fair share of criticism because he took a certain approach to it, not that it's in any shape or form comparable to the situation with Trank and FF.

 

[Marvolo]

The tone of the film has nothing to do with it, it's a take, it's not because you expect something to be this way as a fan that it has to be this way, not that it matters here.

The problem with everything you say is that it's all rumors, all depicting Trank as the bad guy. The 4Chan stuff? Trank repeatedly said it wasn't him and the photo of him flipping the bird as "proof" that it was him was just a photoshop.


His behavior on Twitter and stuff like that is immature for sure, I'll give you that, but it's the reaction of a young director who's hurt, who's been sh** on for a while (it's easy to just say he deserves what's coming to him, first of all, that's ignorance, and second of all, an easy way to judge, people cannot be summed up by a rumor or two, or by an angry tweet).

Most directors or actors would just turn the other cheek and bite their lip and just keep quiet. Others just don't play the game the way they're supposed to, and people DONT LIKE IT, that's just the way it is, speak your mind? you're an *******, don't give the fans what they want and feel entitled to get? you're a moron who doesn't know what he's doing.

He was fired from 2 productions from 2 different studios. That isn't a rumor.

He stood Disney and the people at Celebration up and almost immediately after was no longer attached to direct the Star Wars Anthology film. Do you really believe that is unrelated? One day Trank is directing a film, then stands everyone up at celebration, and then is off the Star Wars film. Yeah that's not suspicious at all.

And for the record, I don't even know what 4chan stuff you are talking about. I never saw any picture of Trank flipping the bird.

Also, the fans issue isn't one of entitlement. There is a lot of entitlement amongst comic book fans. That is the truth. But this isn't an entitlement issue. For it to be an entitlement issue Trank or Fox would have had to have given the fans a good F4 film, and treated the property with some ounce of respect. But from the word go Trank came in and acted like he didn't care about the property or what this property might mean to anyone else. He took decades of comics and threw it all out.

You can't call a group of people entitled when they were never given anything to begin with. Imagine you're in a desert and are dying for a drink of water. A man comes along and hands you a canteen of piss. Obviously its gonna be upsetting. Would you consider yourself entitled for just wanting a bit of good water?

F4 fans have never had a good film. They just want a good F4 film. Fox gave them 2 awful films, shelved the property, then did a rights grab and hired a man who clearly didnn't care about the property or the characters. A man who then proceeded to get himself fired resulting in Fox doing awful reshoots which resulted in another awful F4 film. F4 fans aren't entitled. They are fed up, and rightfully so.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Thank you, I know that, I talked about it.

Was he fired from FF? That's a rumor. He stood Disney up? What? Where is that coming from? Where the hell do you get your info? He wasn't on the panel supposedly because he was let go, or he walked, depending on which version you believe. There has never been any talk of him standing up anyone, see, that's you making stuff up here, and I followed the whole thing, so don't tell me that this is what happened.


The 4Chan stuff, for your information since you don't seem to know the whole story, was supposedly Josh Trank defending himself and explaining what happened regarding the rumors of him being high, of his dogs destroying a property, etc, and the guy posting had put a photo of Josh Trank holding up a piece of paper to prove it was him posting.

Turns out Trank denied repeatedly that it was him and the photo turned out to be a photoshop of another photo of him.

For the entitlement thing, that's an example and it's a very real thing on the Internet. Trank was clumsy, he didn't say he didn't care about the property, because if you listen (once again) to the podcast he's done with Kev Smith lately, you 'd know it's not true, he's said some things on the subject and it was just him lashing out like a little kid (I'll give you that) because the fans were giving him shi* and that was his way of defending himself.

You do know? when people are upset, they oftentimes say things they don't mean.

Saying Trank doesn't care is pretending that you are in the guy's head and knowing exactly that. Trying to do something different is not a crime, but then again, we'll never see his true version. You don't do a movie for the fans, some directors do that supposedly and say so "THIS IS FOR YOU, THE FANS", but when you're a director, you know that you don't do a movie for the fans, you make a movie whether for yourself, because that's something you want to see, because you're passionate about it.

Feel free to disagree but making a movie for the fans is never going to be a good thing, not that that's what you necessarily have to do, but the fans want what they want and not getting it has got to sting, I feel.

 

[YoungBlood]

All I can say is that it X-Men: First Class worked so well, ten how did this mess up so bad, because wasn't First Class filmed within 6 weeks?

 

[AnneFan]

A bad workman always blames his tools. And it seems Trank is also a tool.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

No studio is going to hire a guy who trashes his 122 million dollar movie on opening day.

This.

 

[Drz]

The things Trank did for the film we're very solid, FOX ruined their own movie but Trank's tweet was stupid, people rant way too easily over the internet.

Let's hope his next movie is better.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The things Trank did for the film we're very solid, FOX ruined their own movie but Trank's tweet was stupid, people rant way too easily over the internet.

Let's hope his next movie is better.

What about that "sweet" 80-90% RT score this film was gonna get?

 

[Flint Marko]

What about that "sweet" 80-90% RT score this film was gonna get?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Drz]

And since when is Kevin Smith the authority on anything? Trank got himself fired from two major productions. That speaks for itself. This isn't a multi-studio conspiracy to ruin Trank. He ruined himself.

Simon Kinberg got Trank fired if we're to believe the rumors.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

My thoughts exactly.

Crickets.