Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[Kahran Ramsus]

If any rational person was this upset, they would have quit the project.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

If any rational person was this upset, they would have quit the project.

Eh, maybe. What reportedly happened, with Fox coming in right before filming was to begin and taking a chainsaw to the budget and script, is hardly unusual behavior in corporate America. I've had no shortage of projects I've pitched and gotten approved at budget X and revenue Y, only to have corporate come in at some point and cut X in half and double Y because the Kansas City division just had a bad quarter.

If you stick around long enough you learn ways to deal with this stuff, but Trank was new at this and it's not unusual in that case for people to shut down and half-ass things. That doesn't excuse what he did, it was still unprofessional, but it's not a particularly unusual reaction.

 

[Snikt]

Here's what I don't understand about this whole situation (if the rumors are true):

Fox has trusting their directors lately and they've been turning out mostly great (IMO) films since 2011: First Class, Rise of the Apes, The Wolverine, Dawn of the Apes, DOFP, Kingsman, The Fault in Our Stars.

So why all of a sudden did they not let Trank (again if true) make the film he wanted to make and trust him.

Just a fascinating production history this film. Maybe Schnepp can do a film about the making of this film someday.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Here's what I don't understand about this whole situation (if the rumors are true):

Fox has trusting their directors lately and they've been turning out mostly great (IMO) films since 2011: First Class, Rise of the Apes, The Wolverine, Dawn of the Apes, DOFP, Kingsman, The Fault in Our Stars.

So why all of a sudden did they not let Trank (again if true) make the film he wanted to make and trust him.

Just a fascinating production history this film. Maybe Schnepp can do a film about the making of this film someday.

Because the aim from the get go was not to make a good movie, it was to make a movie with minimum possible budget with the aim of keeping the rights and having as low a loss as possible/making a small profit

In short, Fox had no respect for the property, and no hope that it can make money on a high budget, its really bewildering as to why they are so adamant on hanging to the franchise

I mean, they didn't give a **** about Daredevil rights reverting, I read somewhere that Marvel offered them an extension to the Daredevil rights if Fox gave them shared rights to Galactus and Fox told them to f*** off

The only reason I can think of is it was in spite, they can't stand to see the MCU being successful and they don't wajy them to get their hands on F4 and open up a whole new aspect of cosmic level villains for them

They probably thought Daredevil was worth nothing but I am glad that also bit them in the a** with his critically acclaimed series and leading four other series and Defenders

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Here's what I don't understand about this whole situation (if the rumors are true):

Fox has trusting their directors lately and they've been turning out mostly great (IMO) films since 2011: First Class, Rise of the Apes, The Wolverine, Dawn of the Apes, DOFP, Kingsman, The Fault in Our Stars.

So why all of a sudden did they not let Trank (again if true) make the film he wanted to make and trust him.

Just a fascinating production history this film. Maybe Schnepp can do a film about the making of this film someday.

That is only 7 movies.

 

[ThePhantasm]

So why all of a sudden did they not let Trank (again if true) make the film he wanted to make and trust him.

They've already told the trades the reason. He was erratic and an ***hole on set. The studio and test audiences didn't like what they were seeing coming out of the film.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I don't get Fox. They approve Gambit for 150 million based on what? No one would have blinked at 60 million.

They hobble Trans with oversight and cuts for what?

It pains me to say they need to give the rights back to Marvel. Fox doesn't know how to do it without Singer attached apparently. No wonder they wanted to spread that Singer rumor.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I don't get Fox. They approve Gambit for 150 million based on what?

Two words.

Channing.

Tatum.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Two words.

Channing.

Tatum.

What is his highest grossing movie though? A comedy and a stripper drama. He hasn't lead a action film. JUPITER ASCENDING is enough reason to slash that budget.

They're insane.

 

[Val_Zod]

Jon is excuse making, because he bought the Kool-aid early on, and was saying for a long time that he had inside sources telling his this movie was fabulous.

Campea is a hypocrite. In that same video he denounced Sam Raimi for not making the best film he could when Sony told him to include Venom. Meanwhile, he defends Trank by saying the film was a mess because Fox wanted to remove 3 large set pieces.

What happened to "its the director's job to deliver the best film he can with the blueprint given to him?"

And at the end of all this, Raimi never once blamed Sony. He handled it like a champ, and put the blame squarely on himself. Meanwhile Trank goes on twitter and complains his version of the film would have been better received.

From the way this man-child has been acting, I'm willing to believe all the reports he was a mess to work with, and that he was the one who went on a meltdown spree on 4chan. Then couple massive reshoots is an indication his original cut was probably not great either.

Yeah, Trank, Kinberg, and Fox are all to blame for this disaster.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I remember when Campea was calling ASM2 the Dark Knight of Spider-Man films, or so his sources told him. Watching him backpedal after the movie actually released was neat.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Two words.

Channing.

Tatum.

Two words. Money loss.

 

[JtheDreamer]

He did not lose his job for Disney because Fox "ruined his movie".

You don't know that.

There is a distinct possibility he lost the job with Disney because of his behavior, which was a direct reaction to FOX messing with his movie. It's not like Disney was going to let him have free reign with a Star Wars property. Hollywood is going to be Hollywood and for the preservation of his own career he would have been better off taking the changes like a man.

 

[JtheDreamer]

What happened to "its the director's job to deliver the best film he can with the blueprint given to him?"

I'm not taking sides in this, but your comment is so "general". What good is delivering a great version of a terrible blueprint? Sort of an oxymoron.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't see anything to suggest that Raimi didn't try to make SM3 work as best he could. I certainly can't envision that he was being completely unprofessional the way Trank was on this film. Word about it would have come out from other people on the project, and Raimi hasn't gone out of his way even years later to bash Sony.

 

[Val_Zod]

I'm not taking sides in this, but your comment is so "general". What good is delivering a great version of a terrible blueprint? Sort of an oxymoron.

That wasn't my mantra, it was Campea's. If you want my personal opinion on the matter, the Studio and the director should have a clear and similar idea in what they want the movie to be. A movie will suffer when both sides don't share the same vision.

 

[JtheDreamer]

That isn't my mantra, its Campea's.

Oh, my bad.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I don't see anything to suggest that Raimi didn't try to make SM3 work as best he could. I certainly can't envision that he was being completely unprofessional the way Trank was on this film. Word about it would have come out from other people on the project, and Raimi hasn't gone out of his way even years later to bash Sony.

That's cause Raimi is a class act. He did open up about the whole SM3 process but it was only about a year ago that he finally started talking about it and he never really bashed anyone. Only that he lost his creative control and was basically forced to utilize Venom or told he needed to because the fans loved him so much. Though it's interesting that if you listen to the commentary on SM3, at times you can hear Raimi's frustration with the end result.

 

[Farren]

Campea is a hypocrite. In that same video he denounced Sam Raimi for not making the best film he could when Sony told him to include Venom. Meanwhile, he defends Trank by saying the film was a mess because Fox wanted to remove 3 large set pieces.

What happened to "its the director's job to deliver the best film he can with the blueprint given to him?"

And at the end of all this, Raimi never once blamed Sony. He handled it like a champ, and put the blame squarely on himself. Meanwhile Trank goes on twitter and complains his version of the film would have been better received.

From the way this man-child has been acting, I'm willing to believe all the reports he was a mess to work with, and that he was the one who went on a meltdown spree on 4chan. Then couple massive reshoots is an indication his original cut was probably not great either.

Yeah, Trank, Kinberg, and Fox are all to blame for this disaster.

This.

Also, Campea tried to play nice all around: he put the blame on Fox, but then kept covering for them by saying that Fox is still a great studio and this is just a "bad day" for them. You don't blow $120M on a last minute rights grab because of a "bad day." Campea is a shill for the status quo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You don't know that.

There is a distinct possibility he lost the job with Disney because of his behavior, which was a direct reaction to FOX messing with his movie. It's not like Disney was going to let him have free reign with a Star Wars property. Hollywood is going to be Hollywood and for the preservation of his own career he would have been better off taking the changes like a man.

Oh, so he acted unprofessional so it is all Fox's fault.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I put the blame more at the feet of internet fans who were trashing the concept of this movie from the day it was announced, to them taking the ultimates route, then a young cast etc etc.
Internet warriors have just been trying to destroy this movie from day 1. Fox reacted to both the pressure on the movie to cut their losses and the weird mess with Trank was probably enough for them to just wipe this movie off. doing cost calculations on what they could get off marvel for the rights still basically will see them make a handsome profit.

Even though the movie is bad and had problems behind the scenes I agree. Part of the blame for this movie sucking should go to internet fanboys who were bashing this movie once Trank and the cast were announced. Believe it or not but studios do listen to the Internet community in regards to films. My friend was a intern for Marvel back in college and says one of his tasks was to report fan reaction to Iron Man 2 ( this was back in 2010). So he went to messages boards (SHH included) to find out what fans thought. So I think the blame should be on Trank, Fox, the screenwriters, AND the Internet warrior fanboys.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

Ok, so internet fanboys go ape**** asking for something more faithful and the end result is this?

MS at least took that reaction and made some improvements to the formula.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Ok, so internet fanboys go ape**** asking for something more faithful and the end result is this?

MS at least took that reaction and made some improvements to the formula.

Well it's impossible to please ALL fans. Some fans want things one way and others another way. Fox was clearly trying to backpedal on things once they saw the backlash from fans, an example would be Victor's name changing to just Doom over Doomsheiv ( which was for the best btw). It seems they were trying to change a lot of things last min due to fan backlash who contributed to the movie being the train wreck it is.

 

[TalismanRing]

This.

Also, Campea tried to play nice all around: he put the blame on Fox, but then kept covering for them by saying that Fox is still a great studio and this is just a "bad day" for them. You don't blow $120M on a last minute rights grab because of a "bad day." Campea is a shill for the status quo.

Campea gave it a 3/10 and yet still told people they should see it so they could be part of the train-wreck discussions. Fill those Fox coffers.

 

[Val_Zod]

Even though the movie is bad and had problems behind the scenes I agree. Part of the blame for this movie sucking should go to internet fanboys who were bashing this movie once Trank and the cast were announced. Believe it or not but studios do listen to the Internet community in regards to films. My friend was a intern for Marvel back in college and says one of his tasks was to report fan reaction to Iron Man 2 ( this was back in 2010). So he went to messages boards (SHH included) to find out what fans thought. So I think the blame should be on Trank, Fox, the screenwriters, AND the Internet warrior fanboys.

So its the fans fault for not being happy and voicing it? You also say Studios listen to fans, well, fans wanted a completely different film. So its fans fault for Studios not listening? No, seriously, I'm genuinely confused.