Fant4stic I think this deserves its own thread...Josh Trank denounces Fantastic Four

[Farren]

campea gave it a 3/10 and yet still told people they should see it so they could be part of the train-wreck discussions. Fill those fox coffers.

what?!

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Yeah seriously wtf? It's not like we want Fox to butcher the Four. They did that **** on their own. I didn't put a gun to their head and tell them to mis-cast, hire an unstable inexperienced director and then **** all over a piece of paper and call it a script. If the fans hadn't spoken we would've gotten the same movie except with Domashev instead of Von Doom.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

From the updated EW article:

"But since this article was initially published, several high level sources close to Fantastic Four – spoken to independently of each other – have told EW the rift on set was not about creative differences but rather combative behavior Trank demonstrated toward the crew, producers, studio and even the stars. It’s partly linked to Trank’s personal disputes – involving accusations of deliberate damage done to the house he was renting – which sources say eventually manifested on set as hostility and frustration from Trank.

Not all these new sources agree, however. Some who worked on the film say Trank was driven to the breaking point by the studio, which delayed casting and script approvals, slashed the budget by tens of millions from what was originally promised, and tried to force last-minute changes to the film just as principal photography was beginning.

Just take a look at the list of producers, which includes not only Kinberg but former Fox production chief Hutch Parker, and X-Men: First Class filmmaker Matthew Vaughn, and its clear the studio kept switching up managers and expectations. Fox executives desperately wanted to reboot Fantastic Four after the indifferently received big screen versions in 2005 and 2007, but they bristled at many of the traditional comic book elements that defined the characters.

With uncertainty about who should star (the studio wanted more famous actors, but Trank won that battle) and studio hemming and hawing on approvals for the final script, it stalled crew workers who were trying to build sets, make costumes, props, and prep the movie. This created confusion and stress from the get-go that often boiled over among department heads trying to put together pieces of a movie that was still in flux.

We probably wouldn’t have heard about this if not for that tweet – a falter in the uncomfortable smiles Fox and Trank were showing."


Interesting

 

[Anita18]

He burned his bridges not just with Fox but every major and minor studio. He'll have trouble getting a good sized Indie to direct. He's proven with this to be unstable, unprofessional, untrustworthy and unable to take any responsibility for his own failings.

Unless a production is micro sized, desperate or he raises his own capital there aren't many in the business who are going to work with a director who will trash his own product on opening day and throw the people he works with and for under the bus in a scramble to salve his own ego.

All of this.

Studios interfering in films has been happening since there was a studio system. It's not new. It's something a new director should be prepared for, like a necessary hazing ritual. It sucks, but it's the reality.

Fact is, many of these "hazed" directors can still make a career. But in order to do so, you DO NOT do what Josh Trank did. Nobody's going to back Trank now that he's trashed his own movie publicly and went on a tirade online (if you believe the long posts on 4chan were from him) and aired all the dirty laundry. Not to mention the rumors of him being erratic and irresponsible on set. No studio is going to want to deal with that. Hence him being fired from Star Wars. Disney/Marvel is a well-oiled machine, they don't want to get involved in this kind of drama.

David Fincher is a smart man since he's not on social media. It's a very, very careful line they have to walk - directors, crew, and actors alike.



I would feel bad for Trank, but he's the same age I am and I had way more sense than he's showing when I was 10 years younger. He brought a lot of this upon himself. New directors have been chewed up and spit out by the studio system, he's not the first guy to experience it, and to act like he is is extremely immature. In fact, he had a model more than 20 years ago - the aforementioned David Fincher. After Alien 3, Fincher buckled down and went back to work doing commercials and music videos, then came back with a vengeance with Seven. And the rest is history.

That very easily could have been an option for Trank, but instead he chose to be an immature punk, act out, and whine about it for all the world to see. I'm embarrassed for him.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think another good example, is Marc Webb.
It might be a little early to tell as I don't think he has a job for sure lined up yet, but he had not one but 2 films meddled with (both TASM movies) but he didn't take to Twitter or anything. He kept it moving as far as I know.

You gotta look at it like a group project with a bad group. You get through it. Maybe you do well, maybe you don't. Afterward you move a long and do your thing.

Trank is done. Im pretty damn certain about that

 

[C. Lee]

A major thing that I believe infuriated many fans was this......

If a director was about to film the 3rd or 4th film in an existing series franchise about a superhero character, and said "I envision this movie as my take on THE GODFATHER.".....there wouldn't be near the outrage or simple exclamations od WHAT?!?!.......as was garnered by a ONE TIME MOVIE DIRECTOR who when given the job of rebooting a characters franchise (so it would be the first in a series) saying "I envision this as being the sequel to my own small independent horror/sci fi movie with more connections to a Cronenberg movie than the comics it is based upon."

 

[ShadowBoxer]

So its the fans fault for not being happy and voicing it? You also say Studios listen to fans, well, fans wanted a completely different film. So its fans fault for Studios not listening? No, seriously, I'm genuinely confused.

Like I said in another post it's impossible up please all fans. Even marvel films don't please all fans. What I was saying in this case, is that Fox and filmmakers were back Peadling to reshoot and fix stuff due to fan back lash and other production problems. So I think fans did play a small part in the downfall of this movie. But the full blame rests with Fox, and Trank.

 

[Lencho01]

Has anyone listened to the Fat Man on Batman interviews and watched the film?

I haven't seen the film yet, but what he says there sounds more interesting than what film reviews have said about how boring the film is.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

Well it's impossible to please ALL fans. Some fans want things one way and others another way. Fox was clearly trying to backpedal on things once they saw the backlash from fans, an example would be Victor's name changing to just Doom over Doomsheiv ( which was for the best btw). It seems they were trying to change a lot of things last min due to fan backlash who contributed to the movie being the train wreck it is.

That's their problem, not ours. You want to take that mentality up notch: We didn't ask them to pump $120m into this, we told them to let Marvel do it instead.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Has anyone listened to the Fat Man on Batman interviews and watched the film?

I haven't seen the film yet, but what he says there sounds more interesting than what film reviews have said about how boring the film is.

Yeah it's great, part 4 is coming soon, curious to see if he talks about the problems a little, but he probably won't. He certainly doesn't strike me as the guy the media has been depicted him to be.

 

[BeserkerHilf]

Like I said in another post it's impossible up please all fans. Even marvel films don't please all fans. What I was saying in this case, is that Fox and filmmakers were back Peadling to reshoot and fix stuff due to fan back lash and other production problems. So I think fans did play a small part in the downfall of this movie. But the full blame rests with Fox, and Trank.

But what you're saying is your buddy was told to monitor fan reaction to Iron Man 2, which didn't really jive all that much with fans in way less egregious ways than everything that started coming out with this movie. MS took that and made Phase 2 vast improvements over Phase 1 even with keeping the never-ending world building each movie did that people weren't so fond of.

Fox never set out to make a proper F4 movie. I'm starting to believe the theory that Fant4stic was merely meant to tarnish the MS brand.

 

[Lencho01]

Yeah it's great, part 4 is coming soon, curious to see if he talks about the problems a little, but he probably won't. He certainly doesn't strike me as the guy the media has been depicted him to be.

The only real issue I had with what he said was how they weren't going to be the F4 until the end. Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Well, the way he tells it, it makes sense in the structure of the movie he wanted to make, but I can see why it'd irk some fans.

 

[Lencho01]

Well, the way he tells it, it makes sense in the structure of the movie he wanted to make, but I can see why it'd irk some fans.

Eh, I see no real reason why they couldn't be a similar film with them being the F4. They could have all the science, exploration, and family dynamics still. It's "Fantastic Four" not "Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny".

 

[Immortalfire]

Even though the movie is bad and had problems behind the scenes I agree. Part of the blame for this movie sucking should go to internet fanboys who were bashing this movie once Trank and the cast were announced. Believe it or not but studios do listen to the Internet community in regards to films. My friend was a intern for Marvel back in college and says one of his tasks was to report fan reaction to Iron Man 2 ( this was back in 2010). So he went to messages boards (SHH included) to find out what fans thought. So I think the blame should be on Trank, Fox, the screenwriters, AND the Internet warrior fanboys.

Fans really do have the power.



And with great power, comes great responsibility.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

It doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Two words. Money loss.

Yeah, good luck on that Gambit movie because I think that is an iffy project. I hope Furgeson doesn't "win" the lead female role because she is too good for that project.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

I don't like when people say an actor is too good for a project, I get the point behind it but ultimately, they're the ones who decide to do it or not. Ferguson has just done MI5, a big action movie, I don't really see how Gambit would be beneath her, anyway, doesn't matter.

Sinking a supposed 140 million (or something) dollars on Gambit is clearly idiotic.

 

[Eddie]

... but aren't you trying to absolve MBJ for the crap that is Fant4stic? Did he not choose to be in it? Works both ways...

 

[chamber-music]

That Gambit movie better have some awesome action set pieces to justify that rumoured $150 million dollar budget.

 

[Eddie]

I think Fox might pull two or three of them. It worked out so well for Fantastic Four.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I just want her to get even a slightly more interesting role than Gambit's girlfriend in over budgeted film starring an actor whom despite having hits has not clicked as an action lead.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

What would a Gambit movie even be about? And why Channing Tatum? Why Fox? Why?

 

[sleekstereo]

That Gambit movie better have some awesome action set pieces to justify that rumoured $150 million dollar budget.

I'm sure Gambit won't have much or any changes at all. They trust the director, the script, and Channing Tatum. Everything that this film didn't have.

 

[Boom]

Gambit having a bigger budget than Fantastic Four.

What a world we live in.