The Dark Knight Rises I will answer this question one day. But not today.

[moe]

I agree with you.... but didn't Jonah Nolan sell Bale short in TAHMINATAH 4? Or was that a rumour and it was Bale's bloated ego that ruined the script?



Of late, there's this nagging feeling I keep having that Bruce has been way more affected by Harvey's death than Rachel's. I hope I'm wrong.

I'm talking about Micheal Corleone and you are bringing up Fredo Corleone....

 

[Nave 'Torment']

hahaha

 

[Gianakin_]

Jonah did all he could with what he had for T4. I cna only imagine how much more insignificant Connor was before Jonah started working on him.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

That's just it... I remember reading that the original script played heavily on Connor's myth/legacy to the point where he's just this solitary human voice against a landscape of automated machines. This would've been Sam Worthington's film if that happened. And the 'Redemption' themes would've been more true. With Bale and Jonah they apparently just gave him more screen-time, made it a CHRISTIAN BALE movie and... in a way... made it the less-than-steller story that it is.

But I'm not holding anything against Jonah. Everything that happens in Hollywood is the director's fault. Even the best scripts get destroyed by a director with a bloated sense of self-worth. I liked T4 better than T3, I'm sure most people did, but it was still a lackluster film. And yeah, Jonah's a brilliant writer, we've seen his work first-hand in his collaborations with his brother, he could've only had done so much.

 

[Gianakin_]

Agreed.

 

[Tvar10]

It couldn't be Ramirez. Two Face flips the coin and says "todays your lucky day" or something along those lines and slaps her in the face. He wouldnt go against the coin

 

[Nave 'Torment']

^ hmm... so who can it be then? You bring up one of the important points in this whole mess: RAMIREZ IS NOT DEAD.

 

[joker1524]

It couldn't be Ramirez. Two Face flips the coin and says "todays your lucky day" or something along those lines and slaps her in the face. He wouldnt go against the coin

maybe after dent hit her, she struck her head on a rock and cracked her skull

 

[aandfrugby25]

maybe after dent hit her, she struck her head on a rock and cracked her skull

I always thought it would be funny if that happened.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

dude, make a caption out of it and maybe one with Batman going "you think you guys have it bad? Boo hoo Dent! While the two of you were running around the city joyriding I foiled the Joker's biggest plot and arrested him all single-handed! Seriously you and I are DONE professionally."

Or something along those lines. You can make em funnier

 

[catwitch]

This could be interesting. If they think Ramirez is dead, and she returns with the intention of outing Gordon's lie, that could be a big plot point.

very true, i like your thinking there.

 

[aandfrugby25]

dude, make a caption out of it and maybe one with Batman going "you think you guys have it bad? Boo hoo Dent! While the two of you were running around the city joyriding I foiled the Joker's biggest plot and arrested him all single-handed! Seriously you and I are DONE professionally."

Or something along those lines. You can make em funnier

Maybe tomorrow.... sick today from going to the club and drinking last night. Hopefully my tummy dosnt hurt tomorrow... and yes I called it my tummy lol

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Haha, well whenever you feel like it, no pressure

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Btw, Ramirez has always been pro-Batman, and with the way Dent's tried to kill her, she could just go against what Gordon and Bats planned on. The truth is in risk to come out through her, because she's probably the only few others who have seen the good counselor so split up like that. And her support of Batman's vigilantism might grow into her wanting to liberate the hero from all that mess.

However, the opposite can happen as well. She could easily become a more inside-ally to Gordon and Batman, like Montoya, and the fact that the psychopath didn't kill her in the end might make her feel sympathetic for it. She could, after all, feel a tad responsible for what happened (didn't she confess for being a part of the conspiracy?) If her ideals do border on vigilante-extremism, then having the gun turned on her face just might've led her to be a more fervent supporter of it? I know I'm basically talking JIGSAW here, but the way I see it, chances of her being either good or evil are the same that Harvey had... fifty-fifty.

 

[DonnyLebeau]

I think you can rule out Ramirez, not just because WE know she's not dead. But because a Policeman would NEVER declare someone dead until they recover the body or have enough forensic evidence to determine they are deceased.

Ramirez would simply be dubbed "Missing", even in Gordon's mind he would know not to consider her dead unless Harvey TOLD him he killed her. So the Black Hospital Cop would be the 2nd Dead cop as the hospital ruins would have his remains.