El Payaso said:
No, the image doesn't imply to do the deed. Thats' why Bruce Wayne is supposed to drink ginger ale as champagne and not actual champagne in the comics.
Yes, but he still has to act drunk after he's slugged an assload of ginger ale. That's an old Dean Martin trick, by the way. Apple Juice instead of whiskey. Ginger Ale instead of champaigne.
I think if Bruce dates those two models and he doesn't bop them, word is going to get around that Bruce isn't interested in doing the dirty boogie, and that might hurt his image.
In BB Wayne is not even interested in learning polo, so it's not strange he used those models just to project an image.
Yes, but they have mouths. You think they aren't gonna tell their friends, "we dated Bruce Wayne... yeah he's a total hunk, but when we tried to get him into a manage a trois, he totally shut us down. Did he lose his dick while he was missing for seven years? Is he gay?"
When Rachel saw him with the models he went all girly and shy about it. That's probably not emo but it's on the way.
Whatever.
In best cases we don't know about Bale's Bruce but we do about Keats' Bruce.
Fair enough.
Girly... and very Dawson's Creek.
I wouldn't know. Never watched it.
For that matter it was you calling Burton's Batman an emo and that versioon was even more far than being one that this... honest Bruce Wayne.
I disagree. Burton's Batman wasn't doing what he did out of a sense of social responsibility. He was doing it because he was pissed that his mommy and daddy got shot. Keaton's Batman was haunted. i.e., emo.
Bale's Batman started out for those reasons, but made a careful and pointed decision that what he was doing had to be beyond that - he wasn't just a vigilante. He was risking his life not to make himself feel better, but to protect the innocent. I.E., noble, not emo.
If Dick's is underage, the answer is quite simple: Orphanage.
And how would the orphanage prevent Dick from running away and going after the guy who clipped his parents?
It is clear that Bruce has no time for raising/teaching a kid.
Unless he's raising/teaching the kid how to be a master crime-fighter.
Again, the kid's orphan, the kid goes to an orphanage. That's how society keeps kids away from drugs and streets.
Must be nice to be that naive. You think kids who go to orphanages don't get into crime or drugs? Where are you from, anyway, Pleasantville?
I don't see judges giving them to playboys as the great solution.
I have a question for you now: what state was this TRAVELLING CARNIE a legal resident of? Where did his parents get their mail? You have to realize these guys are on the road 365 days a year. I don't think there's a social services organization that applies to gypsy children. Nobody's coming to take little Dickie Grayson to an orphanage.
Being Bruce Wayne a billionaire, he can pay for special attention for Dick and not training him to risk his life and envision life as a training for revenge.
Dick envisions life that way before he ever meets Bruce. The damage was done to Dick when he saw his parents get killed. You don't think that has an effect on a kid? You think he's just gonna forget about it?
For what we know about comic books and Batman history, Bruce Wayne only TEACHES how to become a young Batman, even when the kid has no legal age to decide about his own life. Which make this so ilegal and shady. Bruce Wayne doesn't teach Dick how to have a normal life and not doomed and eternally tied to revenge like his own.
Ahh, there's Emo Batman.
Batman's not doomed or eternally tied to revenge. Batman made a choice to fight injustice and protect the innocent. Batman is doing a noble thing. Dick has the ability to make the same choice. While legally Dick is too young to make that choice, realistically speaking, he has a functioning brain and he makes that choice outside of what is legal or illegal.
Doesn't apply to gypsies. Again.
And if I was Bruce Wayne, paying a special care for her until she's mature enough. After that, if she still thinks prostitution ios the way, well, she knows. I can try to talk to her though, but no more.
What is this "special care" you speak of that is going to keep a girl from having sex for money? Where's the switch that magically turns ho's into good girls? And talk is cheap. 99% of the time it's also useless. Witness this discussion going around and around despite the fact that I am clearly right.
Even if that would be better (as in less bad), if I encourage her in some way to sell her body, then I'm corrupting her.
The scenario you originally presented had it that she already was determined to be a ****e. A 14 year old girl doesn't need any adult encouragement to become a ****e, she can just go out and BE a ****e. There's no classes you have to take or anything.
The way Bruce does with Dick.
No, I think the guy who killed the Flying Graysons corrupted Dick. Bruce teaches Dick the noble and efficient way to do what he wants to do, instead of getting dead.
And btw, morally it is not better to be an expensive ****e than a cheap ****e.
I never said it was morally better. But it is SAFER to be an expensive ****e than a cheap one. A cheap ****e gets beaten and gets diseases and has to deal with pimps and low-class johns. An expensive ****e has a madam and works in the relative safety of a ****ehouse instead of, say, a rund-down streetcorner in the middle of no-man's land.
If a person is determined to ruin their life, there's often little you can do to stop them. However, sometimes you can provide them with a less dangerous road. Which is morally better than leaving them to rot.
Taking advantage of a person who has no maturity enough to make a resposible decision in order to train him/her for an ilegal activity (being a ****e or Batman) is corruption, ilegal, immoral and reprehensible. And training some underage kid for such purposes is taking advantage no matter if the kid allow it or not because since he/she is underage has no legal or ethical stature to decide for Him/herself.
The law and reality are often very different. Legally, a child is not old enough to make his or her own decisions. In reality, they usually do it anyway. That's why it's important to teach kids about right and wrong from a young age. You can't be with them every moment and they have to make decisions for themselves when they're at school or out with friends. They have to make life-changing decisions the first time somebody offers them a toke. Are you going to say a child has no legal or ethical stature to decide whether or not to take that toke? I can see that conversation:
"Here, take a hit."
"Hold on, I gotta call my Mom and find out if it's okay."
Remember that Dick is a carnie who grew up in the instrinsically unwholesome environment of a travelling circus. Remember that he worked WITHOUT A NET, on a TRAPEZE, as a CHILD. Risking his life is something he has done every day since he's been physically capable of performing. But he's been TRAINED to know what to do, so he doesn't have to be out there hanging from the trapeze going, "Mom, should I wait until the full extension to let go, or should I let go now? Will I die if I hit the floor?"
Kids may not be adults, but they aren't morons, and their lives are usually complicated. You seem to be laboring under the mistaken impression that it's the other way around.
