The Dark Knight Rises IESB: Script is IN!

[Jack]

Rumors, rumors, rumors....

I don't like to have a strong opinion on anything as flimsy as a rumor, it is dangerous.

Still, if Nolan WERE to be involved on a JL movie...now that would be interesting to say the least. If Nolan has done one thing over and over again, it has been to surprise me. He ups the ante on everything he does. Memento, The Prestige, BB, TDK, etc. He doesn't dissapoint.

IF (a big if) he is involved in a JL movie, whatever fears or doubts I may have in the back of my mind are washed over by my confidence in his skills as a director and storyteller. This is not " Nolan fanboy" devotion, it is simply trust in a time proven asset to the movie industry named Christopher Nolan.

 

[The Joker]

Something even worse is when people can't embrace different interpretations of the character. Batman is really the only comic character where you can have many different interpretations, and it's still Batman. It doesn't have to be your Batman, but it doesn't mean it's not bad. Like BATB. It's not my Batman but it kicks ass. I really don't have a definitive Batman, only certain elements (ie: self contained, no crossovers) Whatever is good I can accept.

Well said

 

[Alonsovich]

I know what you mean, but, a lot of directors who are auteurs, still like to take time outs from their original screenplays to do adaptations of other people's material.
Nolan could just be very interested and invested in this series of adaptations now.
Look at how Shyamalan has burnt himself out by writing and directing original screenplays over and over, but is now taking a time out from that and doing an adaptation.
Nolan is now coming up with his own story in Inception, and coming up with the story for Batman3 apparently, it seems the writing bug is biting him more and more, and he'll want time to gestate his own ideas, but still work in the meantime.

As someone else said, he may feel invested to the point where he doesn't want someone else to mess up BM in a JL move, and also, he may just want to direct the movie as it would be a huge thrill. He was into science fiction comics like 2000AD as a kid, JL would suit those tastes.

and as for Batman not existing in a world of superheroes, yes, Nolan made that decision as he wanted Bruce to come up with his direction of fighting crime from scratch, not looking to others for inspiration. That doesn't mean other superheroes could not enter this universe afterwards.

This is the key point... Bruce said in BB that he wanted to inspire people. He inspired the wrong kind of people with the Joker... but that doesn't mean that other type of people cannot be inspired. A Nolan JL could very well work with this inspiration theme, in which Batman would be the first one that had the balls to don a costume and fight crime and set himself as an example for the other ones to follow. I don't see any flawed logic there... in fact, it would match remarkably well with Bruce's original intentions...

 

[J.Howlett]

This is the key point... Bruce said in BB that he wanted to inspire people. He inspired the wrong kind of people with the Joker... but that doesn't mean that other type of people cannot be inspired. A Nolan JL could very well work with this inspiration theme, in which Batman would be the first one that had the balls to don a costume and fight crime and set himself as an example for the other ones to follow. I don't see any flawed logic there... in fact, it would match remarkably well with Bruce's original intentions...

So, Kal El, Wonder Woman, and the Flash just decided to hide that they had powers all this time...?

In theory, your idea works. That's the best way to go into a JL film. But, you have a problem of people not really understanding why Superman didn't reveal himself sooner to the world in order to help this mortal man in Bruce Wayne fight for justice...if Batman's actions inspired him. I mean, if I were Bruce and these three super powered beings stood by for a few years while he basically kills himself night in and night out fighting for the people of Gotham, I'd be pissed. They could've at least given him so back up...couldn't they?

 

[batman11]

You're misunderstanding the entire theme of escalation and why it's important.

The entire point of escalation was that Batman was the one who started escalating things. It was Batman who started all the weirdness, by dressing up, by taking the fight to the criminals, by using fear as a weapon. Only afterward does the criminal element decide to step things up, by putting on makeup and costumes. It's a response to Batman's actions.

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When I said escalation, I didn't mean that Batman's effect is what caused Kal-El to land in Kansas. Or for Wally West to start running fast. I was referring to the overall theme of escalation in Nolan's world. Yes, everything's been a response to Batman's actions. Perhaps the next response in B3 incorporates more sci-fi/supernatural elements. ie: a cryo-suit. That's all I meant. I was just saying that Nolan could use the escalation theme to up the ante a little bit in B3, if that's what people would need to accept a transition towards the Justice League.

However, for this to all work smoothly, I think Batman would have had to have come first. What I mean by that is that the events of BB and TDK would have to precede the reveal of Superman, Green Lantern, etc. Yes, they would have already been on Earth, but not as heroes yet, otherwise, there would surely be mention of them in the Batfilms.

As for the rest of your post, I'm gonna have to agree with Crook. I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make, as you sort of fluctuated between a few elements. I guess we could chalk it up to bad comprehension on my part. t:

On a side note, for those who aren't condemning this already, am I alone in thinking that ripping Bruce from his world and dealing with the realistic ramifications of someone like Superman would make for far more interesting plot points than just having a Bruce living in a supernatural Gotham join up with the Justice League? I really think there's a lot Nolan could do with it, paralleling our real, human tendency to both dismiss and question the strange and paranormal.

 

[batman11]

But, you have a problem of people not really understanding why Superman didn't reveal himself sooner to the world in order to help this mortal man in Bruce Wayne fight for justice...if Batman's actions inspired him. I mean, if I were Bruce and these three super powered beings stood by for a few years while he basically kills himself night in and night out fighting for the people of Gotham, I'd be pissed. They could've at least given him so back up...couldn't they?

Batman's been in existence for what, a year now in Nolan's world? It's not like he's been fighting crime for a decade. Maybe Clark needs some time to set his affairs in order....or perhaps he's just a lazy farmer who doesn't get off his ass for anyone. t:

 

[Bathead]

Batman's been in existence for what, a year now in Nolan's world? It's not like he's been fighting crime for a decade. Maybe Clark needs some time to set his affairs in order....or perhaps he's just a lazy farmer who doesn't get off his ass for anyone. t:

Although I hate to reference Smallville, it could be, as in that show, Clark Kent, even though he is already doing hero stuff, has been quite reluctant to commit himself fully to a public persona. Perhaps it is Batman who finally inspires him to don the tights and "come out of the closet", so to speak.

 

[batman11]

Although I hate to reference Smallville, it could be, as in that show, Clark Kent, even though he is already doing hero stuff, has been quite reluctant to commit himself fully to a public persona. Perhaps it is Batman who finally inspires him to don the tights and "come out of the closet", so to speak.

Yeah, there are several possibilities. While I can understand the discomfort some have, I personally do not want to write off the idea. From a purely Batman perspective, it gives us a chance to seem him grow and change in an entirely different character arc compared to what we've been treated to in BB, TDK and which will (if this news ends up being true) reach it's climax in B3.

 

[Alonsovich]

This is the key point... Bruce said in BB that he wanted to inspire people. He inspired the wrong kind of people with the Joker... but that doesn't mean that other type of people cannot be inspired. A Nolan JL could very well work with this inspiration theme, in which Batman would be the first one that had the balls to don a costume and fight crime and set himself as an example for the other ones to follow. I don't see any flawed logic there... in fact, it would match remarkably well with Bruce's original intentions...

So, Kal El, Wonder Woman, and the Flash just decided to hide that they had powers all this time...?

In theory, your idea works. That's the best way to go into a JL film. But, you have a problem of people not really understanding why Superman didn't reveal himself sooner to the world in order to help this mortal man in Bruce Wayne fight for justice...if Batman's actions inspired him. I mean, if I were Bruce and these three super powered beings stood by for a few years while he basically kills himself night in and night out fighting for the people of Gotham, I'd be pissed. They could've at least given him so back up...couldn't they?

They could... but then again... you could also play that card to create conflict between the JL to make it more interesting. How it had to be a human with no powers but an attitude to take them out of their own apathy. I think it would work really well, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nolan directed a JL film put from that perspective... it would be really interesting IMO that a mere mortal shows a bunch of semi-gods the path not only for their own powers to be useful, but also the path to be loved by citizens and hated by villains... and the path not to have fear of themselves and their own abilities.

 

[batman11]

They could... but then again... you could also play that card to create conflict between the JL to make it more interesting. How it had to be a human with no powers but an attitude to take them out of their own apathy. I think it would work really well, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Nolan directed a JL film put from that perspective... it would be really interesting IMO that a mere mortal shows a bunch of semi-gods the path not only for their own powers to be useful, but also the path to be loved by citizens and hated by villains... and the path not to have fear of themselves and their own abilities.

That's actually a really cool viewpoint. It would definitely make for some great development and growth within the team, and a morally interesting aspect of the story. I like it. I like it a lot.

 

[Dark Knight]

I just can't believe that Chris Nolan would be interested in a Justice League movie.

I can....now that WB's woke the hell up and killed that abomination of a Justice League Mortals film helmed by Miller, when we would have seen a different Batman existing next to Nolans Batman universe.

WB's finally has created a solid team with the DCE......and Nolan is a great storyteller, craftsman and director.

Nolan and his team would know how to tell a great Justice League film onscreen....he has the talent to do it and with Johns and Lee working with him on the creative side of things from DCE and other comic fanboys like Goyer and Jonah involved. The sky is the limit now....potentially.

The only thing that worried me a bit is Jonah Nolan POSSIBLY making his directorial film debut with this important Man Of Steel Supes film?

Meh....I would rather see a director who has some more experience behind the lense directing the film and working with Chris Nolan as Exec Producer.

I compare this to what occurred with the GL film. Berlanti was the original man assigned to direct, but I and others worried that WB's should be hiring an experienced director for such an important film like GL. WB's ended up wisening up and bringing in Campbell to direct while Berlanti would still be a producer.

Now Berlanti seems like the front runner for another DC hero film with The Flash, which would seem like a better fit for him. The same process and path should be taken with Jonah IMO.

Perhaps Jonah Nolan can be given a shot at directing the Wonder Woman film or the Green Arrow SuperMax film to get his feet wet?

 

[ChickenScratch]

Remember, Batman was active before Superman in some versions of it. I remember reading one issue when Martha said "You don't want to end up like that crazy person in Gotham" or something to that effect when he was getting his suit together.

 

[COMPO]

taht was in the Superman Animated Series, to be honest I could see Nolan going with the Grant Morrison run for JLA and to be honest a lot of people were sceptical when Jonah wrote TDK but he did a fantastic job with that, so until we see the finished project we'll never know but I've got faith.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I just can't see Nolan doing a JL film. It doesn't seem like it would be something he would do anyway. I really hope he doesn't do it. I just want him to do Batman 3 and move onto different things. It's like WB is offering him the world to do all these things. It reminds me of a mother who can't let their son/daughter move on.

 

[COMPO]

2bh for me it all seems too far fetched.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

i can understand warner bros. efforts to keep nolan close to the studio. he's a great director, probably the best at the moment, but i hope nolan stays away from another superhero franchise. i want films like memento or inception from him. i also read several statements from nolan that batman is the only superhero he enjoys. maybe he helps his brother to become a director, i wouldnt have something against that..

 

[J.Howlett]

Personally, I just don't see him doing Justice League. Looking at his filmography, it is too varied. Batman, done this way, fits the types of stories and characters he's interested in.

Make no mistake, like Eastwood, WB is keeping Nolan on the lot for years and years to come, no matter what it takes. He will probably have the full support of the studio from now on.

He will probably be able to hand pick any project he wants now for WB...most of them will be pushed by the studio for Oscars, but I'm willing to be in return, he "godfather's" the entire DC film universe.

The DC films have to work now. Not only because of Marvel but because (and I think this is the real reason) Potter ends Summer 2011. It has been their cash cow for 10 years. They need another property to last at least that long and maybe longer. Two Hobbit films won't do it. The DC properties will.

Here is the only scenario I see Nolan directing JL; if he finishes Batman and then director's three to four more personal projects of his, I think he MIGHT take it after Flash, Wonder Woman, Superman, and Green Lantern have been established cinematically.

But again, looking at the films he's made, I just don't see it. We can always hope.

 

[david icke]

But again, looking at the films he's made, I just don't see it. We can always hope.

He's just made a 200mil sci-fi film, two superhero films, and 2000AD was the comic he bought regularly growing up. He even said that he thought sci-fi in comics was more advanced than it was in the movies.
Going by all that, I can see why he would be attracted to doing a JLA film.

 

[Maze]

Christopher Nolan "I was a huge fan of 2000AD. It was my only regular comic. A lot of great talent came out of that era. They had fantastic characters: Judge Dredd and Rogue Trooper and The Stainless Steel Rat and Tharg's Future Shocks, those mini Twilight Zone stories - fantastic and really imaginative. It was a great medium for exploring science fiction at the time. There'd been some terrific SF movies, but I think that comics took it to a whole different place; they were able to embrace a much more complicated world, in a lot of ways.
Now, when you look at video games, I think there's gotta be a lot of people in that industry who used to read 2000AD."

http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=1987&pid=32193&mode=threaded&start=

 

[Bathead]

Remember, Batman was active before Superman in some versions of it. I remember reading one issue when Martha said "You don't want to end up like that crazy person in Gotham" or something to that effect when he was getting his suit together.

I believe that was actually originally from the "Lois and Clark" TV show.

 

[frakkingoff]

He's just made a 200mil sci-fi film, two superhero films, and 2000AD was the comic he bought regularly growing up. He even said that he thought sci-fi in comics was more advanced than it was in the movies.
Going by all that, I can see why he would be attracted to doing a JLA film.

2000 AD is science-fiction. The Prestige was science-fiction. Inception will be science-fiction. Batman (especially Nolan's) is much more science-fiction than fantasy, when it comes to superheroes.

JLA is much more fantasy than science-fiction. Which is why it doesn't really suit him.

I think those of us that are skeptical are feeling the way we do about these rumors not because we doubt Nolan's skills as a film-maker - because we don't - but simply because we know it's not his style.

 

[TheBatman072]

2000 AD is science-fiction. The Prestige was science-fiction. Inception will be science-fiction. Batman (especially Nolan's) is much more science-fiction than fantasy, when it comes to superheroes.

JLA is much more fantasy than science-fiction. Which is why it doesn't really suit him.

I think those of us that are skeptical are feeling the way we do about these rumors not because we doubt Nolan's skills as a film-maker - because we don't - but simply because we know it's not his style.

Yeah, Space aliens that come to earth and gain superpowers from solar rays, a man gifted with a ring from an entire planet of space police, and man struck by lightning and fused with chemicals is TOTALLY not science fiction.

Totally.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I just can't see Nolan doing a JL film. It doesn't seem like it would be something he would do anyway. I really hope he doesn't do it. I just want him to do Batman 3 and move onto different things. It's like WB is offering him the world to do all these things. It reminds me of a mother who can't let their son/daughter move on.

That is an interesting analogy. As a Nolan fan, I really do wish he can just do his own thing and get away from the superhero genre if he wants. He is too talented to spend so much time on a genre that ultimately features certain limitations (hero never dies, villain never outright wins, and so forth).

 

[Crook]

Nolan is one of the few that actually does something with the genre, however. Most lack the unique take Nolan brings. I appreciate that with an original film or not.

 

[Micah12345]

I'm a DC fan before I'm a nolan fan. I want him to stay and make movies, but only if he really wants to. If it's just for the money, I'd rather he leave so someone who cares can jump on board.