Homecoming If asm3 flops will we get a asm4?

[GuestStar2004]

Three years yeah I mis-counted. Spidey may be in S6, we don't know

If he is it will be small, but they will likely market it with an obvious connection to him

 

[OriginalMiles]

Well, what's a long time exactly?? I was under the impression that Sony needs to keep releasing Spider-Man movies every couple of years in order to retain the rights to him. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. So...unless spin-offs are counted as Spidey movies and allow for more time, I am thinking a "long time" isn't as long as you may think. That is, if the rights are to remain with Sony. And again, imo, I don't see Sony letting go of their big money machine.

Well, by a long time, I mean like... maybe 5-7 years depending on whether Sony keeps the rights or not.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sony will be reluctant to reboot because of the spin offs, once you open up the universe it will be hard to close it and start afresh, no studio has yet to restart a universe but its questionable if they would because of all the effort put into it

They won't give the rights back to this character though, no way in hell

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Sony will be reluctant to reboot because of the spin offs, once you open up the universe it will be hard to close it and start afresh, no studio has yet to restart a universe but its questionable if they would because of all the effort put into it

They won't give the rights back to this character though, no way in hell

That would depend on the nature of the spinoffs. I've seen nothing to indicate that Sony is trying to create mini franchises. There has been absolutely no talk about potential Sinister Six or Venom sequels.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

That's because they don't know yet how well the spin offs will do. Don't have to be psychic to know the odds are against them.

 

[Spider-knight]

That would depend on the nature of the spinoffs. I've seen nothing to indicate that Sony is trying to create mini franchises. There has been absolutely no talk about potential Sinister Six or Venom sequels.

Actually Sony has been talking about the venom spinoff for a long time even during the raimi films with the possibility of top her reprising his role, being an anti-hero, being rated R, there was talks about josh frank directing the film, and before venom carnage carnage was rumored to be the main villain.

I also think I remember when that before 2014 there were possible talks about a sinister six film and a black cat film was rumored to be in the works during the raimi films

 

[Spider-knight]

That's because they don't know yet how well the spin offs will do. Don't have to be psychic to know the odds are against them.

With some hope they might as well be good

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

That's because they don't know yet how well the spin offs will do. Don't have to be psychic to know the odds are against them.

I'll have to reread the Deadline article, but I got the impression they're using the spinoffs to build up ASM3 as opposed to creating a cinematic universe like Warner Brothers and Marvel.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

With some hope they might as well be good

Need reason to have hope first. Sony and Avi Arad are in charge so my hope is small. And I don't think Venom and the Sinister Six are worthy of their own spin off movies either.

 

[Spider-knight]

If um... ASM3 flops, we're not getting any Spider-Man movies for a long time. It's like... The Incredible Hulk flopped, so we're not getting a Hulk film for a while.

Lets not forget that if TASM 3 flops no one will see another spidey film from Sony ever again. When they messed around with the past two films sony really screwed themselves in a corner.

 

[Spider-knight]

Need reason to have hope first. Sony and Avi Arad are in charge so my hope is small. And I don't think Venom and the Sinister Six are worthy of their own spin off movies either.

They certainly aren't worthy but venom is the most character expected to have a spinoff since a) he's the most popular villain in the series and b) he's had his solo adventures in the comics.

The sinister six seems to have potential but I need to keep an eye on it.

Hopefully avi and tomach control themselves or just get fired because with what they did to the past two films they really screwed themselves into a corner

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Actually Sony has been talking about the venom spinoff for a long time even during the raimi films with the possibility of top her reprising his role, being an anti-hero, being rated R, there was talks about josh frank directing the film, and before venom carnage carnage was rumored to be the main villain.

I also think I remember when that before 2014 there were possible talks about a sinister six film and a black cat film was rumored to be in the works during the raimi films

There's no talk about potential sequels to the spinoffs. No indication that S6 II or Venom 2 could happen. That's what I mean by mini franchises. Iger called GotG Marvel's newest franchise before the sequel was announced. I don't recall anything that gave me the impression Sony sees these spinoffs in the same light.

 

[Spider-knight]

There's no talk about potential sequels to the spinoffs. No indication that S6 II or Venom 2 could happen. That's what I mean by mini franchises. Iger called GotG Marvel's newest franchise before the sequel was announced. I don't recall anything that gave me the impression Sony sees these spinoffs in the same light.

The difference between the sinister six & venom and guardians is that the s6 was just a set up to TASM 3 and venom was just about a villain trying to turn into a new leaf while guardians has a few more stories involving star lords father and the avengers and thanos and some big trouble with the galaxy. the sinister six and venom don't need any sequels

 

[GuestStar2004]

Remember this sinister 6 movie won't vanish into nothing after its release so once they start opening this currently universe up its gonna be hard to abandon and restart back to square one

 

[OriginalMiles]

It's so easy to abandon the universe... stop making movies set in that universe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's so easy to abandon the universe... stop making movies set in that universe.

There is only so big you can build something before people don't wanna watch you rebuild it again

 

[Spiderine]

It all really depends on the contract Sony has. It clearly is different from FOX. We don't know if spinoffs featuring Spiderman supporting characters count as a rights extension. And I believe Sony has to release a Spiderman based film every 5 years unlike FOX. Which is why the gap between 2007 and 2012 was cutting it close. There was a deal made between Sony and Disney which resulted in the loss of animated/merchandising rights.

ASM3 will have many implications for the future of Spiderman. One has to think the sinister six or even Venom will feature into it since the spinoffs are designed to promote that film. This will likely be Sony's huge event film and they will go all out on it. If it fails, it will probably be it for this current franchise. Sony can't recover from a colossal failure the film could have.

 

[Spider-knight]

if they fail on the siniter six critically they're screwed. no one would see another spiderman film from them again. i heard that drew goddard has some freedom so i hope the film turns out great as well as the amazing spiderman 3

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

if they fail on the siniter six critically they're screwed. no one would see another spiderman film from them again. i heard that drew goddard has some freedom so i hope the film turns out great as well as the amazing spiderman 3

Where did you hear this and why would anyone believe it based on the last seven years?

If Goddard is given creative control to shape S6 then that franchise could have huge potential going forward. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves or has no vision.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Where did you hear this and why would anyone believe it based on the last seven years?

Good question.

 

[Lantern Venom]

So with a lot of people hating this movie and with the box-office getting worse and worse and losing more and more fans if asm3 and the sinister six flops do you think we will still see asm4? Will they reboot or will they even sale the rights?

Mixed reviews don't constitute a flop; ASM 2 still made money. A flop is a movie like Jonah Hex, which didn't even make its budget back domestically. I can't imagine Spidey's popularity succumbing to even the worst writing in a movie. People will still go and see it because it's Spider-man in the title.

 

[Spider-knight]

Where did you hear this and why would anyone believe it based on the last seven years?

If Goddard is given creative control to shape S6 then that franchise could have huge potential going forward. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves or has no vision.

It was in the first article about the announcement of a female spin-off. I figured with everything that happened hopefully there'll be done hope

 

[Spider-knight]

Actually the box office from what I heard was disappointing at best

 

[LizardMan07]

The amount of stuff you "read" or "hear" but can never back up objectively is getting tired Spider-Knight, you do this all the time...

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

We'll see. I have faith in Goddard and I want to be optimistic about the future of these films but I can't.