The Amazing Spider-Man If Venom is used again, this is how he should look!

[Godzilla2014]

You're asserting that the no-logo design would look odd if they were simply standing, doing nothing?

That, and you can't really count on the actions the characters are performing to be the only thing that distinguishes them. A generic design is still a generic design.

 

[Cuyan]

It would be pretty unique to have a superhero who does nothing superheroic or out of the ordinary. Wouldn't that be a normal civilian? In which case, why would they be wearing a symbiote?

 

[Godzilla2014]

It would be pretty unique to have a superhero who does nothing superheroic or out of the ordinary. Wouldn't that be a normal civilian? In which case, why would they be wearing a symbiote?

That's not what I meant. One of the coolest things about superheroes (and supervillains) in my opinion, are the costumes, and what they can tell you about the character. One of my favorite aspects of the concept of the symbiotes is that they ramp that up to eleven.

These are lost in a generic design such as the ones you're suggesting.

 

[Cuyan]

I personally find the characters more interesting than the costumes, this thread notwithstanding.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I personally find the characters more interesting than the costumes, this thread notwithstanding.

I agree that the character is more important the costume, but, to me, the costume should reflect the character in some way.

 

[VenomSpawn]

*walks into thread*

Oh hey guys what's g- *sees discussion, walks the **** out*

 

[Cuyan]

In this case the costume is the character.

 

[Godzilla2014]

*walks into thread*

Oh hey guys what's g- *sees discussion, walks the **** out*

Why walk out? Now the thread is becoming an interesting debate!

 

[Cuyan]

I don't really see it as a debate. It seems more like you think there is only one way to portray this character and I disagree.

 

[Godzilla2014]

In this case the costume is the character.

Well, half of the character.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I don't really see it as a debate. It seems more like you think there is only one way to portray this character and I disagree.

I see it as a debate is about the importance of costumes in the superhero genre in relation to the characters themselves.

 

[Cuyan]

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I assert that a logo-less symbiote would be more interesting to me.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Venom needs the logo. It's sort of his trademark.

 

[Cuyan]

I don't agree with that as there have been versions of him without it and he remained who he is.

 

[Galactus123]

Venom has a logo because he is like evil version of Spider-Man.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I assert that a logo-less symbiote would be more interesting to me.

I came to that conclusion as you were asserting that the act of Spider-Man webswinging is all that's required for it to be recognized as Spider-Man, and I was asserting that character's appearance was also important for the character to be recognized. That's a debate, the last time I checked.

I take it you prefer the look of Ultimate Venom to that of 616 Venom?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Venom needs the logo. It's sort of his trademark.

I agree.

I don't agree with that as there have been versions of him without it and he remained who he is.

I know the Ultimate version (who is completely different from the original) doesn't have it, but I can't think of any others.

Venom has a logo because he is like evil version of Spider-Man.

 

[Cuyan]

I do prefer the look of the Ultimate Venom as opposed to the 616 version. Also, I never asserted that all Spider-man required to be recognized was web-slinging. What I did imply was if a person, regardless of costume, were web-slinging about New York in the comic book universe, most would naturally assume it to be Spider-man. It's not the web-slinging that defines him, he just happens to be the only one who does it. If a person is renowned for being the only one with a particular trait and then an unidentified person is seen displaying the same trait the natural inclination would be that these people are one in the same. It's not definition, just a natural line of thinking.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I do prefer the look of the Ultimate Venom as opposed to the 616 version. Also, I never asserted that all Spider-man required to be recognized was web-slinging. What I did imply was if a person, regardless of costume, were web-slinging about New York in the comic book universe, most would naturally assume it to be Spider-man. It's not the web-slinging that defines him, he just happens to be the only one who does it. If a person is renowned for being the only one with a particular trait and then an unidentified person is seen displaying the same trait the natural inclination would be that these people are one in the same.

My mistake. My point is that I think that the design is also important to the character.
One of the biggest disappointments with Marvel's symbiote is how so many of them look incredibly generic, looking like either Venom or Carnage with minor changes, and the characters themselves are very forgettable as a result.

 

[Cuyan]

I see the word "generic" being used a lot. Is there such a thing as a "generic" symbiote?

 

[Godzilla2014]

I see the word "generic" being used a lot. Is there such a thing as a "generic" symbiote?

Yes. There's an assload of generic-looking symbiotes that have been long-forgotten. Does anyone remember practically any of the symbiote characters other than Venom and Carnage, except for the recent creations Toxin and Scorn?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Incidentally, Cuyan, do you have any other opinions on how Venom should look? Do you want to see Venom with a protruding tongue or tendrils? What did you think of his look in Spider-Man 3?

 

[VenomSpawn]

Hybrid is the only other symbiote I can remember. He's pretty badass.

 

[Cuyan]

The Spider-man 3 Venom wasn't very good in my opinion. For that kind of character, I think playing up the symbiote angle would make him more menacing. Having him be more of a wild animal than a thought driven character seems more interesting. That being said, the tendrils would be interesting as a opposition to Spidey's webbing. The tongue thing always seems a bit hokey to me.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Hybrid is the only other symbiote I can remember. He's pretty badass.

I don't think I've actually read any of the stories he's been in, but you know what I love about him: His unique look. He doesn't look like a generic Venom or Carnage ripoff!

The Spider-man 3 Venom wasn't very good in my opinion. For that kind of character, I think playing up the symbiote angle would make him more menacing. Having him be more of a wild animal than a thought driven character seems more interesting.

You mean like Ultimate Venom who barely talks? I love Venom's dark sense of humor from the comics and so forth, so losing that would be disappointing to me.

That being said, the tendrils would be interesting as a opposition to Spidey's webbing.

Well, I meant cosmetic tendrils, like Ultimate Venom or Carnage.

As for Venom using tendrils in lieu of webbing, I wouldn't mind it.

The tongue thing always seems a bit hokey to me.

I agree with you there.