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[TheSmoothKnight]

DC Studios’ Slate Evolution: Some Projects Put on Backburner as Others Are Full Steam Ahead

Two years after James Gunn and Peter Safran unveiled an ambitious slate, the duo offer updates on what they’ve found along the way (‘Clayface’) and what has hit “speed bumps” (‘Waller’ and ‘The Authority’).

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[TheGDBatman]

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DC Studios’ Slate Evolution: Some Projects Put on Backburner as Others Are Full Steam Ahead

Two years after James Gunn and Peter Safran unveiled an ambitious slate, the duo offer updates on what they’ve found along the way (‘Clayface’) and what has hit “speed bumps” (‘Waller’ and ‘The Authority’).

www.hollywoodreporter.com

If I have to read one more time that Matt hasn't finished the script..... *tears out hair*

As for The Penguin season 2, I feel like the article is a bit misleading. It's hard to get a story in place when they don't even have The Batman Part II script finished. Personally, I'd rather they leave it as a one-off unless they can find a really compelling story.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Is Matt Reeves the only writer in Hollywood that has that type of writing style? "Focus on one scene at a time until that scene is perfect and then move to the next scene" instead of writing multiple drafts.

 

[Boom]

Make it a national holiday when Reeves finally turns in the completed script.

 

[emielaen]

Pattinson in the DCU will still ring throughout the streets of fandom.

That S2/Penguin and Part II write up is oddly cynical tho. They’ll have to actually think of something first for Penguin. Only been a few months. And Part 2 is shooting this year.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Man, hate to say it, but when it's all said and done, I think The Batman 2 will be the last movie of Matt Reeves's universe. I think Matt Reeves will just be in a producer role for the DCU down the road. So much potential is wasted on what they could have done with this universe, which is basically being pushed to the side for the DCU. Maybe I am reading too much into it,but it seems like they're being dismissive of the success Matt Reeves's universe has brought to DC. Outside of The Batman and The Penguin series, there has been nothing but negativity and flops since The Batman came out. Maybe the Superman movie will do great.

Obviously, I love the Batman character, but I don't know if I'm going to support the DCU Batman stuff. I really don't like Andy Muschietti's style of directing from what I saw in The Flash. Maybe my tune will change when I see the finished product. I really disagree with two cinematic Batman at the same time, and that's another reason why I think The Batman 2 will be the last one to make room the DCU Batman. Sorry the rant lol

 

[emielaen]

So much potential is wasted on what they could have done with this universe, which is basically being pushed to the side for the DCU. Maybe I am reading too much into it,but it seems like they're being dismissive of the success Matt Reeves's universe has brought to DC

I don’t gather this anywhere in the way they speak about Reeves or his work. Gunn championed Penguin every week and for every win. They seem to love Reeves and are giving him every second he needs.

Just because DC Studios is making other DC stuff does not mean they won’t make other DC stuff. It’s a production studio. That’s the purpose of it.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It’s all money. If Part II is a huge hit, they’ll ask for a sequel. We don’t know how any of these movies will perform yet.

I could see Reeves feeling done though. But that’s baseless speculation. Hopefully 2 is a firm conclusion if that’s the case.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Man, hate to say it, but when it's all said and done, I think The Batman 2 will be the last movie of Matt Reeves's universe. I think Matt Reeves will just be in a producer role for the DCU down the road. So much potential is wasted on what they could have done with this universe, which is basically being pushed to the side for the DCU. Maybe I am reading too much into it,but it seems like they're being dismissive of the success Matt Reeves's universe has brought to DC. Outside of The Batman and The Penguin series, there has been nothing but negativity and flops since The Batman came out. Maybe the Superman movie will do great.

Obviously, I love the Batman character, but I don't know if I'm going to support the DCU Batman stuff. I really don't like Andy Muschietti's style of directing from what I saw in The Flash. Maybe my tune will change when I see the finished product. I really disagree with two cinematic Batman at the same time, and that's another reason why I think The Batman 2 will be the last one to make room the DCU Batman. Sorry the rant lol

The potential for what?

Its a Batman universe with no Superman and no other DC heroes. That inherently limits how much it can be expanded. Especially when Matt Reeves take on Batman is similar to Nolan's in that its a "realistic" take. That limits where it can go even more.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Never needed this to be a huge universe unto itself. Even in an extreme minority of one who thinks The Penguin took away more than it added (still liked it! Its success was also objectively great for the franchises future!) in some ways. All I really want is a complete story for this Batman with a beginning, middle and end.

Wouldn’t have been mad at him being in a shared universe, though. Under the right circumstances. How awkwardly he fits just feels like classic Batman to me. I’m of the belief that it is impossible to ground Batman too much for him to fit in the JL - the character just fundamentally does because the absurdity gap between him and Superman is largely superficial.

 

[WayneMB]

The potential for what?

Its a Batman universe with no Superman and no other DC heroes. That inherently limits how much it can be expanded. Especially when Matt Reeves take on Batman is similar to Nolan's in that its a "realistic" take. That limits where it can go even more.

lol. ight brother

 

[Johnny Frost]

Maybe the script of The Batman II is the friends we made along the way

 

[NotToday]

From the Clayface movie topic:

This should put to bed any idea of Mr. Freeze being the villain in The Batman Part II.

Looks like I didn't do the quote right; But this was responding to a quote that there are no metahumans in Reeves' Gotham.

I say Freeze and even villains like Poison Ivy can still fit in this universe. For those two specifically, I think it would be easy to do non-superpowered versions of those characters.

I feel like it's most likely they won't be used for the next Batman movie, but I wouldn't rule them out completely, just because the comic versions have powers.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

From the Clayface movie topic:


Looks like I didn't do the quote right; But this was responding to a quote that there are no metahumans in Reeves' Gotham.

I say Freeze and even villains like Poison Ivy can still fit in this universe. For those two specifically, I think it would be easy to do non-superpowered versions of those characters.

I feel like it's most likely they won't be used for the next Batman movie, but I wouldn't rule them out completely, just because the comic versions have powers.

Why would you want to see that?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

IDK, long as Freeze has a freeze gun it’s fine. Ivy is a bit tougher.

 

[TheGDBatman]

IDK, long as Freeze has a freeze gun it’s fine. Ivy is a bit tougher.

Agreed, Freeze needs a Freeze gun. If he's just a serial killer with a fetish for freezers then I'm out.

 

[solidsnake86]

If I have to read one more time that Matt hasn't finished the script..... *tears out hair*

As for The Penguin season 2, I feel like the article is a bit misleading. It's hard to get a story in place when they don't even have The Batman Part II script finished. Personally, I'd rather they leave it as a one-off unless they can find a really compelling story.

Lol, it's almost as if they have no other news that they need to reiterate this time and time again. Reeves has a different writing style then most.

Regarding the penguin, it was meant to be a limited series. Those involved have fully said they will do a season 2 if they find a good story to come back and tell. They aren't going to do it for the sake of doing it.

 

[NotToday]

Why would you want to see that?

I'm not saying I necessarily want that; I'm just saying, it's possible to have "grounded" versions of some of Batman's villains (if that's what it takes to have them appear at all). Also, it's been done already.

Poison Ivy in BtAS, for the most part didn't have superpowers.

With good writing, I think the villains can be compelling and dangerous without powers.

 

[ENCK]

I doubt it. It will be either HUSH, TWO FACE, COURT-OF-OWLS, BLACK MASK....I'm leaning on HUSH, so much has been mentioned, eliiot bridge, the whole segment in the first film on corruption, could even have AZREAL based on the rumor Batman doesn't want to be Batman anymore. Simply put based on a winter setting, we could also have the idea of FIREFLY, since the first film was about flooding at the end, this one about fire....burning buildings...ANARKY, DEADSHOT, I doubt we will see Bane or Deathstroke since that's going to the Brave and Bold, or clayface...

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Mmm. That quote from Safran that all he can say is a Batman movie will come out in October, 2027 is... interesting. Curious if that's getting taken out of context to make it sound more suspicious.

 

[TheGDBatman]

Mmm. That quote from Safran that all he can say is a Batman movie will come out in October, 2027 is... interesting. Curious if that's getting taken out of context to make it sound more suspicious.

I’m trying to figure out what the quote could mean. The Batman Part II seems mostly ready to roll and not in danger of missing that October release date…so is this a “s**t or get off the pot” situation with Reeves, where if he doesn’t keep things timely then they’re going full steam ahead with their Batman?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I’m trying to figure out what the quote could mean. The Batman Part II seems mostly ready to roll and not in danger of missing that October release date…so is this a “s**t or get off the pot” situation with Reeves, where if he doesn’t keep things timely then they’re going full steam ahead with their Batman?

It's a weird thing to say publicly if that's the case. Exactly one article I read about it quoted Safran as saying 2026 and not 2027 - and it was the most thorough of the breakdowns I found - but its an outlier so it's probably the one misquoting.

I'm actually not all that cynical about the situation but that quote is one of the things that has actually made me go Hmmm.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think Gunn is going to be directing Brave And The Bold when its all said and done (and perhaps the writer he's "working with" on the project is himself, he just doesn't want to announce it yet). He could be trying to get the script for BATB into the shape he wants so that it will be ready to go, as a contingency plan encase Reeves still isn't finished with the script for TBII.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I'm leaning towards Gunn directing BATB too. The way he talks about it in this article:

Catching Up with James Gunn and Peter Safran of DC Studios, Part II

Yesterday, we unveiled to all of you hardcore DC fans that we had a chance to chat with James Gunn and Peter Safran at an exclusive, intimate press conference recently, in which they discussed the …

thenerdsofcolor.org

Makes me feel like he might as well if he's gonna be that involved with it to begin with. Even though I hate the idea. So much of the fun is seeing different creatives execute their own unique takes on these characters so when it's all filtered through one guy it feels so... completely joyless lol

 

[Boom]

I'm trying really hard to just focus on the most immediate thing, which is The Batman Part II. Doing my best not to worry about anything beyond that.

With that said, I'm fairly convinced that Part II will be a wrap on Reeves' stuff. Who knows? Maybe Part II explodes at the box office and WBD (or Gunn and Safran more specifically) would be insane to say "No" to a third one. I certainly hope so! But given the difficulty Reeves has had in getting these movies made, coupled with Gunn and Safran trying to get their DCU universe on solid footing, I just think the writing's on the wall that all parties will mutually agree to move on after Part II.

By the time Part II comes out, Reeves will have worked on Batman for nearly eight years - with only 2 movies and 1 limited series to show for it. That's after burdening a generational pandemic, a writer's strike, an actor's strike, and undisclosed personal issues at home. Does he really have another 4-5 years in the tank for Part III? When all is said and done, he'd be wrapping up in 2031/2032 - almost twelve to thirteen years in total.

I know this is extremely assumptive of Reeves' feelings, but that's where my gut's at right now. Once you start looking at the sheer amount of time involved, amongst other factors, I'm frankly going to be shocked if this continues beyond Part II.