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[DarthSkywalker]

It’s a terrible argument lol

“No serious live action Batman has ever done a Robin”

“But but but ya see uhhh tim burton uhhh *almost* did one under pressure from the studio… I mean ya know he didn’t and he wasn’t in the movie and your point still stands but he almost did! OH! And ummm there was an Easter egg in BvS. I mean he never makes an appearance and the word “Robin” isn’t even said in the whole DCEU but there was this 1 Easter egg for 5 seconds so HA! Checkmate”

Like laughably awful man

Define "serious". Because right now you are sounding a lot like this:

 

[marsh]

Define "serious". Because right now you are sounding a lot like this:

I’m sounding like…. The opening action prologue of the Lego Batman movie…?

Uhhh okaaaaay i don’t really follow but I’ll take it because I love that movie and the opening so whatever

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’m sounding like…. The opening action prologue of the Lego Batman movie…?

Uhhh okaaaaay i don’t really follow but I’ll take it because I love that movie and the opening so whatever

A movie with Robin? Heaven forbid.

Define serious.

 

[Snow Queen]

It’s a terrible argument lol

“No serious live action Batman has ever done a Robin”

“But but but ya see uhhh tim burton uhhh *almost* did one under pressure from the studio… I mean ya know he didn’t and he wasn’t in the movie and your point still stands but he almost did! OH! And ummm there was an Easter egg in BvS. I mean he never makes an appearance and the word “Robin” isn’t even said in the whole DCEU but there was this 1 Easter egg for 5 seconds so HA! Checkmate”

Like laughably awful man

Dude. Calm down a bit.

 

[Ninjablade]

It’s a terrible argument lol

“No serious live action Batman has ever done a Robin”

“But but but ya see uhhh tim burton uhhh *almost* did one under pressure from the studio… I mean ya know he didn’t and he wasn’t in the movie and your point still stands but he almost did! OH! And ummm there was an Easter egg in BvS. I mean he never makes an appearance and the word “Robin” isn’t even said in the whole DCEU but there was this 1 Easter egg for 5 seconds so HA! Checkmate”

Like laughably awful man

Your claim wasn't simply that "No serious LA movie has done Robin." If it was there'd be nothing to argue about, because yeah no duh. It's not even an argument, it's a statement of truth.

What you *did* claim was that the reason several directors didn't use Robin is because they would all agree with you on the fact that the character is stupid and doesn't belong. Which is why it becomes relevant the fact that one of them considered using it but cut the character for time and would've still used the character in a sequel if he'd not been pushed out.

One of the other directors put the goddamn suit in the movie as an important character motivator. Granted, I'm sure Snyder probably thinks Robin is dumb regardless, but that's because he's an edge lord loser.

 

[Boom]

Robin gives Reeves a chance to do something with Batman's character that we really haven't seen since Forever. Almost thirty years.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Robin gives Reeves a chance to do something with Batman's character that we really haven't seen since Forever. Almost thirty years.

By a director and lead actor who are almost uniquely well suited to it. There's nothing in the Batman mythology that would be more interesting to see them tackle than Robin.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

By a director and lead actor who are almost uniquely well suited to it. There's nothing in the Batman mythology that would be more interesting to see them tackle than Robin.

A recent new father in real life.

 

[J.Drangal]

Personal appreciations aside, I'd say Robin was actually pretty carefully adapted in Batman Forever. Are there elements that seemed a bit silly? Sure, but I don't think he was ever reduced to a joke here. His origins, conflicts, and growth are all there.
And if Nolan and Snyder only alluded to him, one could say that it was simply because their creative ambitions lay elsewhere, rather than for any other reason.

Just as many fans hope for and have ideas for a live-action version of Robin, in all its glory and nuances, there are directors out there who feel the same way. And it's only a matter of time before they get the chance to bring their vision to life.
Actually, we know there's one who's ready to go if it weren't for a mix of studio scheduling issues and other creative wanderings...

OT : Don't take this as a defense of the guy specifically, but there's always a stray bullet for Snyder somewhere in here, it's seriously becoming a running gag (or a compulsion?).

 

[Char]

The thing about Martha, we can only go by Riddler’s video which may not be entirely accurate. Just like Falcone having Sofia committed for his own crimes. There may be more to why Martha was committed to Arkham, seeing how she is an Arkham. This could be part of this twisted rabbit hole that Bruce goes down into.

I totally agree with everything else as well. Maybe Black Mask is out there and decides to challenge Penguin for his throne. Scarecrow could be an absolutely horrifying stand alone inspired by Nightmare on Elm Street and the Insidious series with Batman taking him down in the end. Poison Ivy is easily adaptable. She doesn’t need to control plants. She could simply be a femme fatale botanist.

What I love about the Batman mythos is that it’s rich full of amazing characters to choose from. Matt could surprise us with a take on an unexpected character that could elevate him/her to an A-lister.

True, I really hope it was an altered version. Gheez, now I'mr recalling that scene with Falcone and Sofia...that was hard to watch. Especially the acting was spectacular. If that's the rabbit hole they'll go down to then I'mm all for it. A neat prologue would maybe do the trick. Like in the opening of House on Haunted Hill (1999) - that sort of vibe minus the brutality. Maybe even add a narration by Ezekiel Arkham. I still think we only scratched the surface of Bruce's persona

A street level clan or mob fight between Penguin and Black Mask would nicely echo the rivalry between Falcone and Maroni. Scarecrow working at Arkham and seeing him test his gas on patients. The Reeve's Arkham depiction really looks rotten to the core. I like the femme fatale botanist approach. Might add to the character dimension more than what Uma did too. I really want her to have a wrist crossbow too.^^

Yup, a surprise a lister would be special. Or something like where you're guessing who's under the make up. The Penguin was a surprised when the Batman's first teaser dropped. I really trust Reeves to pull this off. Hopefully Lauren LeFranc somehow get's involved down the line.

 

[Char]

Robin gives Reeves a chance to do something with Batman's character that we really haven't seen since Forever. Almost thirty years.

Yup! Judging by that short scene we saw of Batman looking at mayor Don Mitchell, Jr's kid at the crime scene, we would be getting something monumental.

 

[marsh]

Dude. Calm down a bit.

Literally not a single thing in there indicates any fury or non phlegmatic emotions

Unclutch the pearls please

 

[marsh]

Your claim wasn't simply that "No serious LA movie has done Robin." If it was there'd be nothing to argue about, because yeah no duh. It's not even an argument, it's a statement of truth.

What you *did* claim was that the reason several directors didn't use Robin is because they would all agree with you on the fact that the character is stupid and doesn't belong. Which is why it becomes relevant the fact that one of them considered using it but cut the character for time and would've still used the character in a sequel if he'd not been pushed out.

One of the other directors put the goddamn suit in the movie as an important character motivator. Granted, I'm sure Snyder probably thinks Robin is dumb regardless, but that's because he's an edge lord loser.

Uhhh I never said they’d all agree with me that the character is stupid. You’re pivoting to a strawman after being defeated on the initial argument

Secondly, Robin in burton 3 was a toyetic and younger demographic wb thing. Burton was not there furrowing his brow trying to figure out how to put Robin in his movies because he just loves the Robin character.

And you gotta be kidding me doubling down on your BvS point. “He put a suit in the movie for a few seconds!!!” Cmon man. And it was not an “important character motivator”. Nobody who watches the movie would have the conclusion that his motivation was from the brief Robin Easter egg. It was from the black zero event…. This is extremely abundantly obvious

 

[marsh]

A movie with Robin? Heaven forbid.

Define serious.

I will not define serious because you’re just clearly nakedly setting up a gotcha that I won’t entertain.

I’m gonna give you my subjective definition and you’re going to try to counter with a predicable rebuttal of “hmmm okay okay but the movies star a grown man dressed in a Batman suit soooo?” Or you’ll bust out your scalpel and start going through each movie and finding the hyper fictitious elements “so that’s your definition of serious? Weeeeell this movie had an army of penguins! This movie had an alien from krypton! This movie had a killer clown terrorist and sonar X-rays!”

Save it. You’re not slick

 

[Boom]

Not that serious, fam.

 

[flickchick85]

Literally not a single thing in there indicates any fury or non phlegmatic emotions

Unclutch the pearls please

Uhhh I never said they’d all agree with me that the character is stupid. You’re pivoting to a strawman after being defeated on the initial argument

Secondly, Robin in burton 3 was a toyetic and younger demographic wb thing. Burton was not there furrowing his brow trying to figure out how to put Robin in his movies because he just loves the Robin character.

And you gotta be kidding me doubling down on your BvS point. “He put a suit in the movie for a few seconds!!!” Cmon man. And it was not an “important character motivator”. Nobody who watches the movie would have the conclusion that his motivation was from the brief Robin Easter egg. It was from the black zero event…. This is extremely abundantly obvious

I will not define serious because you’re just clearly nakedly setting up a gotcha that I won’t entertain.

I’m gonna give you my subjective definition and you’re going to try to counter with a predicable rebuttal of “hmmm okay okay but the movies star a grown man dressed in a Batman suit soooo?”

Save it. You’re not slick

You can drop the condescension or be gone.

 

[marsh]

You can drop the condescension or be gone.

Flip a coin for which flickchick

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I will not define serious because you’re just clearly nakedly setting up a gotcha that I won’t entertain.

I’m gonna give you my subjective definition and you’re going to try to counter with a predicable rebuttal of “hmmm okay okay but the movies star a grown man dressed in a Batman suit soooo?” Or you’ll bust out your scalpel and start going through each movie and finding the hyper fictitious elements “so that’s your definition of serious? Weeeeell this movie had an army of penguins! This movie had an alien from krypton! This movie had a killer clown terrorist and sonar X-rays!”

Save it. You’re not slick

So your argument is that you think I'm going to be right, so you don't want to answer my question?

NB is way smarter and slicker then me.

Uhhh I never said they’d all agree with me that the character is stupid. You’re pivoting to a strawman after being defeated on the initial argument

Secondly, Robin in burton 3 was a toyetic and younger demographic wb thing. Burton was not there furrowing his brow trying to figure out how to put Robin in his movies because he just loves the Robin character.

And you gotta be kidding me doubling down on your BvS point. “He put a suit in the movie for a few seconds!!!” Cmon man. And it was not an “important character motivator”. Nobody who watches the movie would have the conclusion that his motivation was from the brief Robin Easter egg. It was from the black zero event…. This is extremely abundantly obvious

I don't like BvS. Hate it really. But it's pretty obvious why the Robin suit is there. Beyond the TDKR shorthand, it reinforces that Bruce sees what he can lose when he doesn't "finish the job". Hence why he's gonna kill Superman. It also confirms that Robin existed. Which to me would be the whole point of it's inclusion in this conversation.

 

[marsh]

So your argument is that you think I'm going to be right, so you don't want to answer my question. Uh, thanks.

Also, NB is way smarter and slicker then me.



I don't like BvS. Hate it really. But it's pretty obvious why the Robin suit is there. Beyond the TDKR shorthand, it reinforces that Bruce sees what he can lose when he doesn't "finish the job". Hence why he's gonna kill Superman. It also confirms that Robin existed. Which to me would be the whole point of its inclusion in this conversation.

Wait HUH? How did you somehow miss the entire point that I was openly mocking and denigrating that argument and that it was an extremely tired and predictable and weak argument? And you came out with “so I’m right?” Unironically? Dude what. Also not denying that’s exactly what you were trying to set up lol

And your BvS assessment is a plastic man level reach. It’s there to establish this new Batman has been around for awhile and lost allies selling his tired and weary portrayal. That’s it

 

[Frodo]

Personal appreciations aside, I'd Robin was actually pretty carefully adapted in Batman Forever. Are there elements that seemed a bit silly? Sure, but I don't think he was ever reduced to a joke here. His origins, conflicts, and growth are all there.
And if Nolan and Snyder only alluded to him, one could say that it was simply because their creative ambitions lay elsewhere, rather than for any other reason.

Just as many fans hope for and have ideas for a live-action version of the Robin, in all its glory and nuances, there are directors out there who feel the same way. And it's only a matter of time before they get the chance to bring their vision to life.
Actually, we know there's one who's ready to go if it weren't for a mix of studio scheduling issues and other creative wanderings...

OT : Don't take this as a defense of the guy specifically, but there's always a stray bullet for Snyder somewhere in here, it's seriously becoming a running gag (or a compulsion?).

I agree.

I never had an issues with how Robin was adapted in Batman Forever back in the day.

The awkward thing about Robin's adaptation , is that Chris O'Donnell is clearly looks a 20 something , while being adopted by a 30 something year old man .

It wasn't till a bit late that I realized Chris O'Donnell was only 3 years younger than Nicole Kidman ,

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait HUH? How did you somehow miss the entire point that I was openly mocking and denigrating that argument and that it was an extremely tired and predictable and weak argument? And you came out with “so I’m right?” Unironically? Dude what

I never made an argument. You conceded before I did.

And your BvS assessment is a plastic man level reach. It’s there to establish this new Batman has been around for awhile and lost allies selling his tired and weary portrayal. That’s it

The suit has the writing of the Joker on it. A character Bruce historically allows to live, even as he's a homicidal maniac he can't control. And it got Robin killed.

This Bruce, is one who brands people and runs them over with the Batmobile. They aren't Superman level threats. They're normal thugs. Akin to the Joker. This all ties back to TDKR, where it's not Superman but the Joker who pushes Bruce to his limit. Snyder loves the implication of TDKR Bruce. Hence the suit.

I do not think the subtext is subtle. Which makes sense, because it's Snyder.

 

[Mindreaper21]

 

[marsh]

I never made an argument. You conceded before I did.

The suit has the writing of the Joker on it. A character Bruce historically allows to live, even as he's a homicidal maniac he can't control. And it got Robin killed.

This Bruce, is one who brands people and runs them over with the Batmobile. They aren't Superman level threats. They're normal thugs.

I do not think the subtext is subtle. Which makes sense, because it's Snyder.

I don’t think you know what “conceded” means. I saw your argument coming a mile away. Because it was that obvious and tired. And I saw it as a waste of time to have that tit for tat because I already knew everything you were going to say. Which is what I said. You’ve already tacitly admitted I was right in my anticipation of your rebuttal. It was (going to be) a poor argument was the point though. But you knew that

Yeeeeah no it was the black zero event dude even Snyder with his lackluster storytelling makes it very very very very unambiguously clear that’s the motivation.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Pointing out that an argument is obvious and tired does not, inherently, mean it's wrong. Those terms are not mutually exclusive.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don’t think you know what “conceded” means. I saw your argument coming a mile away. Because it was that obvious and tired. And I saw it as a waste of time to have that tit for tat because I already knew everything you were going to say. Which is what I said. You’ve already tacitly admitted I was right in my anticipation of your rebuttal. It was (going to be) a poor argument was the point though. But you knew that

What's your definition of concede?

My argument is this. What you believe to be "serious" would be something akin to Snyder and his fans. Something "edgy" and "dark" that I personally do not find all that serious.

For me, Batman Forever is very much a "serious" take on Batman. It's an sincere, earnest take on the material. Especially when it comes to Robin. I also find Scott Pilgrim vs. the World and Mutant Mayhem to be serious takes on their source material.

Yeeeeah no it was the black zero event dude even Snyder with his lackluster storytelling makes it very very very very unambiguously clear that’s the motivation.

Why is the Joker's writing on the suit?