I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[WayneMB]

Bingo. 15-17 is the sweet spot.

 

[solidsnake86]

We could never win this hard but I straight up don’t think a relatively classic Freeze is even all that hard to ground. A toned down freeze gun feels like the exact level of fantastical the first movie was.

Exactly, the freeze gun could be given an explanation that wouldn't make it that hard to believe. To me, the fantastical thing would be a person being frozen and still being alive if they were unfrozen.

Freeze makes sense as the villain like the Riddler was in the first movie, but ultimately it was Falcone who was the true villain of the movie.

I'm just wondering when we heard the rumours of clay face, if that character can be an interchangeable villain, i.e. you could make it hush, freeze or clayface but they all serve the same purpose, if for example, the court of owls is the deeper corruption being referred too.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Exactly, the freeze gun could be given an explanation that wouldn't make it that hard to believe. To me, the fantastical thing would be a person being frozen and still being alive if they were unfrozen.

Freeze makes sense as the villain like the Riddler was in the first movie, but ultimately it was Falcone who was the true villain of the movie.

I'm just wondering when we heard the rumours of clay face, if that character can be an interchangeable villain, i.e. you could make it hush, freeze or clayface but they all serve the same purpose, if for example, the court of owls is the deeper corruption being referred too.

Would fit well to have a corporate villain. Could do Janus or Ace Chemicals, something like that - illegal chemical dumping, unsafe working conditions, etc. all feel very of a piece with the type of story The Batman was telling. If it could be structurally divergent enough from the first movie I lowkey love the idea of just Some ******* once again being functionally the main villain responsible for everything.

Said ******* being Ferris Boyle played by Glenn Howerton. You know, ideally.

 

[Boom]

Cryonics - Wikipedia

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There's your real-world basis. Instead of the accident causing him to only be able to survive in subzero temperatures, just have him severely disfigured from deep-cold exposure.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Just save Freeze for the DCU.

 

[AndyTrevino]

If Muschietti's still involved, then no ****ing thanks.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

If Muschietti's still involved, then no ****ing thanks.

Even barring the DCU or the director attached to that, I would rather Reeves not touch Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy or Clayface or any villain like that at all. I don't want a "realistic" version of Mr. Freeze. Some of the ideas I see here about how to make him "realistic", no offense to anyone here, I am just not a fan of these ideas. Especially the idea of Freeze not even needing to be in subzero temperatures to survive, and being disfigured, which to me defeats the purpose of even having Mr. Freeze in your movie. I would rather Reeves just use villains that fit his vision, rather then trying to contort villains that don't into ones that do. Do we need another "Sam Raimi is forced to use Venom" situation?

 

[TheGDBatman]

On one hand, I want to see Mr. Freeze in his full fantastical glory.

On the other hand... Matt freakin Reeves. I feel like he'd nail the emotional beats and could still make it just fantastical enough that it's not parody levels of grounding.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Totally prepared to roll my eyes at him inevitably not being named Victor Fries, probably some other small details, etc. but at the end of the day as long as he has a suit, a freeze gun and some variation on his classic motive nothing else is that important. My investment in anything - within reason, to preempt any strawmen about being okay with Freeze being a guy who sticks bodies in a frozen meat truck - other than the emotional core of the characters being kept in these movies is minimal. These movies are just totally their own thing and if anything I expect they're gonna diverge further from standard Batman mythos rather than move closer to it.

But I don't think it'll be Freeze, so all this probably doesn't matter.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I had this idea for The Dark Knight Rises where they could've incorporated Mister Freeze instead of Doctor Pavel.

Freeze could be hired by Wayne Industries to develop a cryogenic technology that cools the nuclear reactor. Bane kidnaps Freeze and forces him to dismantle the cooling system by threatening Nora. During the dismantling, Freeze dons a familiar but more practical suit to protect from the elements and we see a variation on the cryo gun (which is more of a flash freezing tool than a weapon).

He turns the gun on Bane and his men but is quickly defeated. No crime spree, and the suit is to protect from the cold, rather than keep it in.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Even barring the DCU or the director attached to that, I would rather Reeves not touch Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy or Clayface or any villain like that at all. I don't want a "realistic" version of Mr. Freeze. Some of the ideas I see here about how to make him "realistic", no offense to anyone here, I am just not a fan of these ideas. Especially the idea of Freeze not even needing to be in subzero temperatures to survive, and being disfigured, which to me defeats the purpose of even having Mr. Freeze in your movie. I would rather Reeves just use villains that fit his vision, rather then trying to contort villains that don't into ones that do. Do we need another "Sam Raimi is forced to use Venom" situation?

And if he DOES want to use Freeze for some reason, and finds some way to fit him into the narrative? The Raimi Venom thing is a bit of a false equivalency. What you're talking about is more of a Todd Phillips Joker situation and even then, Reeves is a far better and more creative writer.

 

[solidsnake86]

Even barring the DCU or the director attached to that, I would rather Reeves not touch Mr. Freeze or Poison Ivy or Clayface or any villain like that at all. I don't want a "realistic" version of Mr. Freeze. Some of the ideas I see here about how to make him "realistic", no offense to anyone here, I am just not a fan of these ideas. Especially the idea of Freeze not even needing to be in subzero temperatures to survive, and being disfigured, which to me defeats the purpose of even having Mr. Freeze in your movie. I would rather Reeves just use villains that fit his vision, rather then trying to contort villains that don't into ones that do. Do we need another "Sam Raimi is forced to use Venom" situation?

I totally get your point, but in all fairness, Mr. freeze as we know him today was because the animated series took the character and created this story. I don't see why they couldn't do some reinvention so long as the core elements remain intact.

For me, as long as you present the fantastical things with some pseudoscience explanation, it can be plausible within the movie world. Look at the Batman, the impact from pulling his parachute from gliding would have killed him and the eye contacts that record video are a stretch. But the way it's presented, it works in the film.

 

[Boom]

"If we get to do a third one."

HE'S STILL GOT THAT FIRE, FAM.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Okay so based on his other comments the villain might as well be confirmed to be Hush, imo.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I love Freeze, but he just isn’t a fit for the middle of this particular story. Even if there was a way to ground him, it will feel like he’s just thrown in instead of picking up where we left off.

I’m sticking with Two-Face, Hush and Mad Hatter. Two-Face because of the open DA spot and the Reàl’s task force. Hush because it dives deeper into Bruce’s story. Hatter because he could be the new drug pusher and would be a great theatrical villain to introduce for the first time.

Also, I’d love to officially see Barbra since we know that she does exist in this universe. Having Hatter to stalk and kidnap her would also add some depth to Gordon’s character.

 

[Boom]

Okay so based on his other comments the villain might as well be confirmed to be Hush, imo.

You know what? His comments are actually making me think Hugo Strange. Perhaps as Bruce's former/current psychiatrist?

That's a hero/villain dynamic we've not seen before.

 

[Sawyer]

You know what? His comments are actually making me think Hugo Strange. Perhaps as Bruce's former/current psychiatrist?

That's a hero/villain dynamic we've not seen before.

Please be right, please be right, please be right…

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Okay so based on his other comments the villain might as well be confirmed to be Hush, imo.

Matt Reeves said at the Golden Globes earlier this year that the villain will surprise the audience. Hush is too obvious

 

[Boom]

I rescind my final prediction. Hugo Hive we back up.

 

[Johnny Frost]

Yeah, is definetly Hush. It always seemed clear to me that Hush is a villain that Reeves would like because of how he can explore the Bruce Wayne side through him and bring a fresh element since he is a villain that has never been adapted before.

 

[Boom]

-Hugo Strange
-Deeper dive into Martha Wayne and the Arkham Family
-Bruce locked up in Arkham Asylum
-Minor roles from Joker, Riddler, and other rogues

 

[AndyTrevino]

Accepting it because I love Hush's design and name, and ultimately it's in service of Bruce's arc so I get it.

 

[NotToday]

Also, I’d love to officially see Barbra since we know that she does exist in this universe.

Of course, Barbara's awesome!

... Having Hatter to stalk and kidnap her would also add some depth to Gordon’s character.

 

[AndyTrevino]

-Hugo Strange
-Deeper dive into Martha Wayne and the Arkham Family
-Bruce locked up in Arkham Asylum
-Minor roles from Joker, Riddler, and other rogues

I feel like Hugo's a bit too centralized for what we keep hearing about?

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Paul Danos Riddler was already a lot like Hush. A masked killer who hates Bruce Wayne and wants to destroy him.

I hope it's not Hush.