I'm Reading Your Stuff: General News and Discussion Thread

[Mindreaper21]

What kind of mistery do you think it will be?
Maybe a whodunit like in TLH?

Or a kidnapper like Silence of the lambs?

I think it could be heavily inspired to All president's man, like a conspirational mistery, but the villain has to be visually interesting and epic, like some of you said.

Any way we know that Matt likes to take references, what movies do you think he could look at?

I’m honestly not sure if this will be a mystery whodunnit film, but it is definitely a crime thriller. Matt is also consistent in saying the film will be heavily focused on Bruce, his past and struggles with being Batman. Since the theme of the first film was about trauma, maybe this one is about internal struggles.

After seeing all the notebooks and how thick the script is, it seems like this film will be stuffed full of things that maybe none of us will guess. I know Matt loves noir thrillers and films with complex themes. He may have gone back as far as the 30’s.

 

[Boom]

In The Batman, the mystery centered around The Riddler's motives and his larger plan (Why? and What?).

That leaves two sorts of mystery archetypes they could go with:
A mystery centered around the villain's identity (Who?)
A mystery centered around the villain's method (How?)

 

[WatchProtect]

So here's the two options way I see it.

It's set partially in Arkham with Bruce's mother being a driving force similar to how his father was in the first film, and here we encounter Hugo Strange, which is the films main antagonist.

Or it's going to be taking the Edward Elliot point from the first film and have it be with A revenge story with Hush as a main antagonist.

I also see Harvey Dent showing up in both versions, and Leslie would be a great fit.

 

[Boom]

What if they took elements of Hugo Strange and Jeremiah Arkham and combined them into Jonathan Crane?

Or, maybe a bit more out there, how about a reinvention of Jervis Tetch where he's a psychiatrist?

 

[SwordOfMorning]

What if they took elements of Hugo Strange and Jeremiah Arkham and combined them into Jonathan Crane?

Or, maybe a bit more out there, how about a reinvention of Jervis Tetch where he's a psychiatrist?

I’m staunchly anti Crane having any connection to Arkham. You’re fully just doing Begins Scarecrow if that’s a thing.

 

[WatchProtect]

What if they took elements of Hugo Strange and Jeremiah Arkham and combined them into Jonathan Crane?

Or, maybe a bit more out there, how about a reinvention of Jervis Tetch where he's a psychiatrist?

I love the idea of combining Jeremiah and Hugo, I don't really need to see Scarecrow in connection with Arkham again though.

This is a good idea for Jervis and if that Arkham show ever comes around that'd be a great way to include him into the universe

 

[Johnny Frost]

What kind of mistery do you think it will be?
Maybe a whodunit like in TLH?

Or a kidnapper like Silence of the lambs?

I think it could be heavily inspired to All president's man, like a conspirational mistery, but the villain has to be visually interesting and epic, like some of you said.

Any way we know that Matt likes to take references, what movies do you think he could look at?

A while back, Reeves kind of implied that it wouldn't be a serial killer mystery like the first one and has been saying that it will be quite different. Right now, I'm betting on something closer to a conspiracy thriller.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

So, we're going to pretend the Joker scene in The Batman never happened?

 

[AndyTrevino]

So, we're going to pretend the Joker scene in The Batman never happened?

I'm not sure anyone's implying that. If anything, given how much Reeves talked it up it's probably canon.

 

[Gandhi]

So, we're going to pretend the Joker scene in The Batman never happened?

As in you think Joker should be the main villain of Part II? Or it should be a Joker-Riddler team up?

Matt Reeves said at the time it was not an Easter egg or set up for the next movie. He said the scene was there as a conclusion to Riddler’s arc and a reminder that trouble is always brewing in Gotham.

While I don’t think he will be the main villain, I believe Barry Keoghan has given indications that he at least has some scenes in Part II.

 

[solidsnake86]

I’m staunchly anti Crane having any connection to Arkham. You’re fully just doing Begins Scarecrow if that’s a thing.

There were rumours of a stand-alone scarecrow movie and also his involvement in the penguin tv show. I would be curious to see what angle they were going with for the character if he was contemplated at some point. I do think it's with a connection to Arkham; however, I do agree with you, it would almost just be a retread of Begins.

 

[TheGDBatman]

So, we're going to pretend the Joker scene in The Batman never happened?

Do you mean the deleted scene or the scene towards the end of the movie?

Either way, I think Joker will play a large role in the third movie. Not having him heavily involved in the 2nd doesn't mean that scene won't play into longer term plans. We also don't know anything about the movie so...

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

If the Court of Owls are the villains how would people feel about them being a blend of the cult in Eyes Wide Shut but with some Jeffrey Epstein influence? Lincoln March (or Tommy Elliott) could be in charge of a blackmailing ring funded by the Court. Maybe they’re trying to trap Bruce but can’t find any dirt, so Hush has to impersonate Bruce.

Obviously it would be tricky to navigate that influence in a way that isn’t too explosive politically. But Epstein could be another real life criminal to draw influence from after the Zodiac Killer.

The name Hush could be even more poignant, when you consider the price for Hush’s silence.

 

[Mindreaper21]

So, we're going to pretend the Joker scene in The Batman never happened?

If you mean the deleted scene, I think it’s really up to Matt and what he says officially. Some directors will say that anything deleted from their films isn’t cannon. For now, I guess it’s up to interpretation.

 

[Babillygunn]

If the Court of Owls are the villains how would people feel about them being a blend of the cult in Eyes Wide Shut but with some Jeffrey Epstein influence? Lincoln March (or Tommy Elliott) could be in charge of a blackmailing ring funded by the Court. Maybe they’re trying to trap Bruce but can’t find any dirt, so Hush has to impersonate Bruce.

Obviously it would be tricky to navigate that influence in a way that isn’t too explosive politically. But Epstein could be another real life criminal to draw influence from after the Zodiac Killer.

The name Hush could be even more poignant, when you consider the price for Hush’s silence.

I don’t want the Court to have anything to do with pedophilia. Actually, I don’t want pedophilia to be centric to any Batman film, which is one reason why I’m not in favor of many folks’ thoughts on Mad Hatter. .

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I don’t want the Court to have anything to do with pedophilia. Actually, I don’t want pedophilia to be centric to any Batman film, which is one reason why I’m not in favor of many folks’ thoughts on Mad Hatter. .

I don't think any direct references to pedophilia are ever gonna be okay in a Batman movie and I'm not very hot on The Court to begin with. That being said, you could draw some Epstein influence without it being so literal as to be directly about preying as kids. Reeves seems pretty cognizant about where the line is of what is and isn't appropriate for Batman, there's a couple big, very dark implications in The Batman that I think are there that he's tastefully indirect about.

Pedo Hatter is moronic. Absolute baby brained edgelord garbage. It's okay in ASHOSE but that's so monumentally specific as a comic it ain't gonna translate.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Seeing people on Reddit saying Galo Olivares is listed as cinematographer in ProductionToday? Does anyone know if that's a real source?

 

[Ninjablade]

Seeing people on Reddit saying Galo Olivares is listed as cinematographer in ProductionToday? Does anyone know if that's a real source?

I don't even know what that is, and can't seem to find anything about it anywhere. Would seem fake to me.

Hardly where I would lean, but not a terrible choice by any means if it is true.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I don't even know what that is, and can't seem to find anything about it anywhere. Would seem fake to me.

Hardly where I would lean, but not a terrible choice by any means if it is true.

Leaning fake too. He'd be good, a straight-up Fraser substitute choice for sure.

 

[solidsnake86]

I recall from an interview or even maybe the behind the scenes videos that Fraser was involved early on in pre-production so Reeves is going to have to choose someone relatively soon as I don't see him changing that aspect on this film.

 

[Gandhi]

I recall from an interview or even maybe the behind the scenes videos that Fraser was involved early on in pre-production so Reeves is going to have to choose someone relatively soon as I don't see him changing that aspect on this film.

I’d guess he’s already chosen someone and probably known for a while.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Not seeing Galo reported anywhere else. He would be a great choice though. I’m just mostly excited about the winter setting and how it’s going to be captured.

 

[flickchick85]

Roma is one of the most beautifully-shot movies of the last decade for me so I would be thrilled with that choice. Doesn’t seem like a credible rumor though.

 

[BobJM]

What if they took elements of Hugo Strange and Jeremiah Arkham and combined them into Jonathan Crane?

Or, maybe a bit more out there, how about a reinvention of Jervis Tetch where he's a psychiatrist?

My gut tells me they’ll dump everything from Hugo Strange to Jeremiah Arkham to avoid the Doctor Strange/MCU comparisons (like Shazam/Captain Marvel)

I’d prefer to keep Tetch an underling though; he seems more an Arkham inmate than the one running the asylum

 

[Johnny Frost]

Seeing people on Reddit saying Galo Olivares is listed as cinematographer in ProductionToday? Does anyone know if that's a real source?

The source the guy cited doesn't exist so it's probably made up, but Galo is an option that I can see actually happening.