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I'm thinking Zsasz had been an Arkham inmate for decades, and Hugo Strange brainwashes him ala The Parallax View to become this Batman imposter who goes on a mission to kill the corrupt officials now being investigated by Bella's anticorruption taskforce who could reveal his connection to the corruption. So instead of the Batman imposter looking just like Batman, he has a more horrifying serial killer/slasher look. His armor a modified set of Arkham riot gear, his mask a stitched leather patchwork, with the stitches kind of mirroring his scarred face. Brad Pitt definitely has the chin for a Batman cowl and can play crazy and brutal fighter.
 
I'm thinking Zsasz had been an Arkham inmate for decades, and Hugo Strange brainwashes him ala The Parallax View to become this Batman imposter who goes on a mission to kill the corrupt officials now being investigated by Bella's anticorruption taskforce who could reveal his connection to the corruption. So instead of the Batman imposter looking just like Batman, he has a more horrifying serial killer/slasher look. His armor a modified set of Arkham riot gear, his mask a stitched leather patchwork, with the stitches kind of mirroring his scarred face. Brad Pitt definitely has the chin for a Batman cowl and can play crazy and brutal fighter.
Not for me, but cool idea broadly - I just don’t have any interest whatsoever in another serial killer conspiracy movie. Does nothing for me. I also think the horror influence on Reeves is fantastically overstated to the point it’s barely a real thing.

Curious how the main villain almost certainly being female fits into your theory at this point? Kinda upends most theories assuming she’s not a gender swap - I say as someone who assumes she’s Hush.
 
Not for me, but cool idea broadly - I just don’t have any interest whatsoever in another serial killer conspiracy movie. Does nothing for me. I also think the horror influence on Reeves is fantastically overstated to the point it’s barely a real thing.

Curious how the main villain almost certainly being female fits into your theory at this point? Kinda upends most theories assuming she’s not a gender swap - I say as someone who assumes she’s Hush.
It's all part of one theory for me. Brad Pitt Imposter and Hugo Strange/Jeremiah Arkham would be the more marquee villains, with ScarJo Vicky Vale more in the Catwoman role, aiding his investigation and getting close to Bruce,. Zero mention of the Elliots or Hush in any marketing. Vale is really an Elliot tho. Hugo Strange/Jeremiah Arkham were involved in the muder/suicide of Martha's parents and the coverup, as a way to gain control over the asylum and utilize the institution for criminal activity (putting away political and criminal rivals, unethical experiments, whatever). When Edward Elliot started investigating this, they had him killed, getting Wayne under Falcone's thumb would have been just an additional convenience. Vicky Vale learns about this from Riddler's revelations in the first film combined with her own investigations into her father's death. Probably begins correspondence with Riddler in Arkham, coded messages or something, or uses a press badge to interview him, sees him as a kindred spirit (another child orphaned by the Arkhams having parents put away/killed, "Children of Arkham". Like in the comics, Vale believes Bruce to be Batman, so she would blame him for having Riddler put away. Third act would have these revelation and her plans to ruin Bruce and stage a breakout from Arkham or something like that.
 
Here is the old hospital in my town, located on the street parallel to mine.
You'd love the way it looks right now with the chilly end-of-year atmosphere.
Especially when the sun starts to sink...

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And this is what it looks like inside...
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If Reeves and his teams are interested, I have a sofa bed and we eat very well around here.
 
Here is the old hospital in my town, located on the street parallel to mine.
You'd love the way it looks right now with the chilly end-of-year atmosphere.
Especially when the sun starts to sink...

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And this is what it looks like inside...
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If Reeves and his teams are interested, I have a sofa bed and we eat very well around here.
How many ghost hunter teams have gone in there, lol.
 
A little late to this convo.

I like Zsasz a lot, and if it's a version closer to the comics I could be persuaded to get on board. But as others said, it seems redundant to go down the serial killer route again.
 
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I feel like another serial killer mystery is exactly what we're going to get, one way or another. It just seems to be the structure that most naturally supports the noir detective genre that Reeves seems pretty determined to work within to separate his take on the franchise.

It just ticks all the boxes of "imminent threat to establish stakes", "Batman and Gordon need to get to the bottom of this to find/understand the killer", "the investigation rabbit hole leads to more revelations about Gotham's history of corruption", etc. I mean Reeves has been more or less signaling that this is what the movie is going to deal with, specifically that last part.

The Batman was probably the darkest take on the franchise we've had yet. I think it would be pretty tricky to walk back the threat and tone Riddler represented to something less deadly or "scary". If we're not following a trail of bodies then there is going to have to be some sort of bigger looming threat. As much as we'd all watch the crap out of one, this isn't going to be a hangout movie with Batman where he's just solving a crime of the week. And I think we can also be reasonably confident that it's also not going to be a 90s superhero where we have to watch the villain's origin story unfold in the first act before the stakes are established. There is likely going to be an opening scene inciting incident that sets the stage for the new threat in Gotham and the plot will follow from there. Again, would love to be wrong and have this movie totally take me off guard. I'm just not sure what other direction even makes sense as a logical followup to The Batman that fits into that world/aesthetic.
 
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I feel like another serial killer mystery is exactly what we're going to get, one way or another. It just seems to be the structure that most naturally supports the noir detective genre that Reeves seems pretty determined to work within to separate his take on the franchise.

It just ticks all the boxes of "imminent threat to establish stakes", "Batman and Gordon need to get to the bottom of this to find/understand the killer", "the investigation rabbit hole leads to more revelations about Gotham's history of corruption", etc. I mean Reeves has been more or less signaling that this is what the movie is going to deal with, specifically that last part.

The Batman was probably the darkest take on the franchise we've had yet. I think it would be pretty tricky to walk back the threat and tone Riddler represented to something less deadly or "scary". If we're not following a trail of bodies then there is going to have to be some sort of bigger looming threat. As much as we'd all watch the crap out of one, this isn't going to be a hangout movie with Batman where he's just solving a crime of the week. And I think we can also be reasonably confident that it's also not going to be a 90s superhero where we have to watch the villain's origin story unfold in the first act before the stakes are established. There is likely going to be an opening scene inciting incident that sets the stage for the new threat in Gotham and the plot will follow from there. Again, would love to be wrong and have this movie totally take me off guard. I'm just not sure what other direction even makes sense as a logical followup to The Batman that fits into that world/aesthetic.
I think a serial killer/hit person could be involved, but as a pawn for a larger threat.
 
I think a serial killer/hit person could be involved, but as a pawn for a larger threat.

That's kind of where I imagine it'll go. But again, that's not totally dissimilar to The Batman. Riddler was the main villain, but the movie ultimately reveals that Falcone has been the big bad and the force that put a lot into motion, from the terminally corrupt state of Gotham to Bruce and Riddler's origins. In this case Riddler isn't a pawn, but he serves as the vehicle for Bruce to learn more about Gotham, his family and himself. There are ways to riff on and switch up the formula, but I still would guess that's essentially gonna be the sort of framework that the movie operates within.
 
I'm thinking about one thing.
The movie will be most likely about the revelations about Arkhams, with the public opinion being shocked about Riddler's revelations and Bruce that will be in the perfect position to investigate from the inside using his double legacy of Wayne and Arkham, so Wayne Enterprises and Arkham Asylum etc.

I think that somehow Bruce could be tempted (and/of forced) to face Nashton without the mask, making him a visit in the Asylum to know something.
And maybe the villain could use it as a trap to take him?

Anyway the more I look at the Joker deleted scene the more I think that the ASHOASE reference is pretty clear: Batman seems to have not so much a hard time to just take it a visit to an inmate in a random day. Now think about that's all about his links to someone inside, as Batman AND Bruce...
 
im not entirely understanding the uproar over another serial killer/murder plot. this in a noir genre movie trilogy, Reeves has been adamant about it for 8 years now.

plus, he is way too good of a filmmaker to just rehash themes and bits from the first one, he knows what to do guys
 
im not entirely understanding the uproar over another serial killer/murder plot. this in a noir genre movie trilogy, Reeves has been adamant about it for 8 yearsdetective
plus, he is way too good of a filmmaker to just rehash themes and bits from the first one, he knows what to do guys
Well, I do expect some sort of crime as Batman is best as a detective. Doesn't have to be a serial killer, just a proper villain.
 
im not entirely understanding the uproar over another serial killer/murder plot. this in a noir genre movie trilogy, Reeves has been adamant about it for 8 years now.

plus, he is way too good of a filmmaker to just rehash themes and bits from the first one, he knows what to do guys
Lots of noir plots that don’t involve serial killers. The vast majority of them, in fact!
 

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