The Dark Knight Rises Improving Fight Scenes

[EliteF50]

It is a fault, but an audio one. But it's clear that that's what they were going for unless you want to keep believing that the stunt choreographer taught the actor to just fall for no reason. I'm willing to bet they didn't use any blanks for the scene, so they put the sound of the gun in post ( they do that anyway) and the mix put the shot too late.

None of the above.

Lau's actor fell too early and Nolan didn't catch that.

 

[Carnotaur3]

None of the above.

Lau's actor fell too early and Nolan didn't catch that.

It could be. It could be. I've seen these mistakes before. Especially if you have no gun shot to react, you're just making a guess when it would occur.

 

[Mr. Earle]

That's what I want in TDKR.

Smoke bombs.

Smoke bombs + killed lights =

I'm reminded of that scene at the end of Gangs of New York - where Amsterdam is standing amidst thick smoke and Bill the Butcher swoops in and out, taking slashes at him.

I'd kill to see that in a Batman movie.

That and batarangs flying to every direction as he's fighting dudes. The batarangs would hit the thugs' hands and disarm them.

None of the above.

Lau's actor fell too early and Nolan didn't catch that.

Nolan caught it, but it was an artistic choice.
Nolan can never be wrong!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I've been in martial arts for almost 14 years now (Combat Sambo, Judo, Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kali/Silat, Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu and Kajukenbo) and I know for a fact that the fight scenes from TDK were horrid, laughable and extremely unrealistic.

At least... AT LEAST, in BB, the hand-to-hand combat scenes were too chaotic to tell what we were witnessing. KFM needs to go. Hell, it's a system that is still under construction (not to mention the fighting stance is mediocre) and hasn't been SINCE the TDK. Rumors were flying around that the film Taken used KFM. Nope.

It sucks. Period.

 

[twostep]

Universal Soldier: Regeneration had excellent fight scenes in it. I'm not sure who choreographed but it was done well.

I think it's a good parallel because it is brute strength and technique (Dolph) vs agility and technique (Van Damm). The size disparity between the two would probably be on par with what we imagine the size difference will be with Bane and Batman.

Have a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Wn36lrQ3w - sorry there is an ugly advertisement dead center but you'll still be able to see it all.

edit: the above link is really violent at the end.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Universal Soldier: Regeneration had excellent fight scenes in it. I'm not sure who choreographed but it was done well.

I think it's a good parallel because it is brute strength and technique (Dolph) vs agility and technique (Van Damm). The size disparity between the two would probably be on par with what we imagine the size difference will be with Bane and Batman.

Have a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Wn36lrQ3w - sorry there is an ugly advertisement dead center but you'll still be able to see it all.

edit: the above link is really violent at the end.

Larnell Stovall. He did the fight choreography/coordination for Undisputed III too.

Dolph, and especially Arlovski looked fantastic in this movie.

This is what the TDKR film needs. A powerful and fast-paced fight scene. This is probably how Bane vs Batman would look like. A big powerful opponent such as Bane (also skilled in hand-to-hand combat) dominating most the scene. Toe to toe, Batman stands no chance -- he has to rely on skill, speed and the environment.

 

[EliteF50]

Nolan caught it, but it was an artistic choice.
Nolan can never be wrong!

Oh yeah! How could I forget about that?

I've been in martial arts for almost 14 years now (Combat Sambo, Judo, Kyokushin Karate, Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Kali/Silat, Ninjutsu, Kenjutsu and Kajukenbo) and I know for a fact that the fight scenes from TDK were horrid, laughable and extremely unrealistic.

At least... AT LEAST, in BB, the hand-to-hand combat scenes were too chaotic to tell what we were witnessing. KFM needs to go. Hell, it's a system that is still under construction (not to mention the fighting stance is mediocre) and hasn't been SINCE the TDK. Rumors were flying around that the film Taken used KFM. Nope.

It sucks. Period.

Thank you! Anyone want to argue now? Seriously, what more do you want?

I've been against Keysi from day one, but yes, I completely agree with Doomsday. In BB it looked better because we couldn't really see what was happening.

But the fight scenes in Taken were actually pretty cool, it didn't look like Keysi to me.

 

[EliteF50]

Wow, that was great!

 

[Piuchén]

Larnell Stovall. He did the fight choreography/coordination for Undisputed III too.

Dolph, and especially Arlovski looked fantastic in this movie.

This is what the TDKR film needs. A powerful and fast-paced fight scene. This is probably how Bane vs Batman would look like. A big powerful opponent such as Bane (also skilled in hand-to-hand combat) dominating most the scene. Toe to toe, Batman stands no chance -- he has to rely on skill, speed and the environment.

I haven´t seen Indisputed 3 but Arlovski looked pretty scary in Universal Soldier, I think it has to do that he is a professional fighter also.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I haven´t seen Indisputed 3 but Arlovski looked pretty scary in Universal Soldier, I think it has to do that he is a professional fighter also.

Andrei is a freakish dude. In his prime, the guy was downright scary as hell, and still is in my opinion. He should retire (he's been knocked out too many times) and do films full time.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Oh hell yea, the fight scenes from Taken were awesome. Liam whooped that ass. I can't wait for the sequel.

No, it turns out it was a mixture of Krav Maga and Kali.

 

[EliteF50]

Oh hell yea, the fight scenes from Taken were awesome. Liam whooped that ass. I can't wait for the sequel.

I don't think we're getting one. It's been three years. :\

No, it turns out it was a mixture of Krav Maga and Kali.

Yeah, I though so. It looked a lot like the Bourne series' fighting (which uses Kali).

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I don't think we're getting one. It's been three years. :\

Yeah, I though so. It looked a lot like the Bourne series' fighting (which uses Kali).

http://www.slashfilm.com/maggie-grace-confirmed-taken-2/ t:


They use it effectively. It's the perfect martial art for the Bourne series (total destuction by counter offense).

 

[Boom]

I can only dream of getting a fighting style like Taken or the Bourne films.

 

[TheVileOne]

They did all those quick cuts of the fighting in Batman Begins because I heard that the fight footage looked terrible so they edited around it to make it look like the Bourne movies to hide how bad and goofy it looked.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I can only dream of getting a fighting style like Taken or the Bourne films.

It's a shame Nolan didn't go with the Filipino systems (Escrima/Silat/Kali) but the styles aren't very well known in Europe. They're just now going mainstream.

With Bale lacking athleticism, this would be a good fit for the film and the stunt crew. I know John Foo (who was apart of Batman Begins as a LoS member) and he would say how simplistic and unrealistic the fight scenes were. Hopefully Nolan listens to the constructive criticism and changes the way he shoots the fight scenes.

 

[EliteF50]

http://www.slashfilm.com/maggie-grace-confirmed-taken-2/ t:

Awesome! I can't wait! Taken is one of the best moves I've seen.

They use it effectively. It's the perfect martial art for the Bourne series (total destuction by counter offense).

Yeah, the fight scenes in the Bourne movies are pretty damn good. Much better than Nolan's movies...

They did all those quick cuts of the fighting in Batman Begins because I heard that the fight footage looked terrible so they edited around it to make it look like the Bourne movies to hide how bad and goofy it looked.

Source?

 

[KRIM]

His ass. The plan was always to shoot frenetic. You can see Nolan talk about in the behind-the-scenes, which are typically filmed during production. Plus, with all the quick cuts that were featured, they'd need several pieces of footage from all sorts of angles, in order to cohesively edit it in the fashion that we see.

 

[GregComicFan]

Have a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Wn36lrQ3w -

That was a good fight scene. You know who has good hand to hand combat scenes too? The Bourne trilogy.

 

[GregComicFan]

I think the restrictions of Bale in the Batsuit will always be the main culprit for why we wont get the fight scenes we all wish we could have....it may just not be feasible while wearing that suit.

That's why I wouldnt mind seeing Bruce Wayne fight out of costume if Bane in TDKR knows Bruce is Batman. At least then we could get a Bourne-like fight scene.... even if Bruce isn't in the costume... so what? He's still Batman.

In a way, I kinda wish the final fight between Bruce/Ras had been out of costume... sure the fans would have moaned/groaned... and of course it wouldnt have made sense given the ending of BB, but let's say if the ending had taken place in a secluded area and not on the train.... I think the fight would have been amazing if Bruce could be out of costume for it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Who shot Lau in the leg? Batman swings the shotgun that he took off the other guy at Lau. Lau starts falling waaaaaaaaaay too early. He just kinda, walks towards Batman, then collapses.

It's not a shotgun that Batman clubs the guy with, it's a Heckler & Koch MP5A2, a 9mm submachine gun, nothing that average pistol-grade body armor wouldn't stop.

Since Batman is (in the context of the film) wearing the same ceramic plates over kevlar armor technology that our soldiers use to protect themselves from much more powerful rifle fire, Batman's body armor is more than sufficient to protect him from mere pistol cartridges such as what they would be firing at him.

 

[The Morningstar]

Ahh it is a MP5. Doesn't make any difference though, the guy could have still shot him. And his body armour wouldn't have done jack. It's the new armour remember, leaves him vulnerable to knives and gunfire

 

[Caekzor]

Oh come on, people are defending the fight scenes in TDK? Seriously?

I didn't see anything wrong with the Penthouse fight. The Hong Kong fight did have a few problems, same with the ending. Parts felt a bit.. slow. Needed to be faster.

So yeah, some areas could have used more work. But I think you're making them out to be worse than they really are.

I do agree that Nolan needs to step it up for TDKR. Especially with Bane being in the movie. The fights need to feel brutal and believable.

 

[The Morningstar]

I think it may actually be easier to do good fight scenes in TDKR. Because instead of Batman just fighting some nameless fodder who don't fight back, he's gonna be fighting someone who can match him.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Ahh it is a MP5. Doesn't make any difference though, the guy could have still shot him. And his body armour wouldn't have done jack. It's the new armour remember, leaves him vulnerable to knives and gunfire

True, the guy could have shot him, but the armor is quite effective. In fact, based on the description of the BB and TDK Batsuits in their respective films, the TDK Batsuit offers superior ballistic protection. The Batman Begins Batsuit is said to use kevlar alone, which would be about the same level of protection as a typical police officer would wear. This would be limited in effectiveness to protecting against pistol cartridges, but fortunately, as of this writing, the favorite weapons of criminals tend to be pistols and submachine guns, which fire such cartridges. Unfortunately, the proliferation of such body armor is rendering the submachine gun in particular, obsolete in favor of assault rifle-based carbines. Currently, this trend is mostly an issue in military circles, but it may eventually apply to the underworld as well. The Batsuit of The Dark Knight, has military grade ballistic protection, with ceramic plates, which offers protection from rifle rounds. I theorize this additional protection might be in anticipation of the aforementioned trend towards assault rifles. Hell, even in-between the plates, the titanium-dipped kevlar mesh would still offer pistol-grade protection.