The Dark Knight Rises Improving Fight Scenes

[DoomsdayApex]

Thank´s for the insight because I almost buy the videos once just for curiosity but in self defense I think nothing is granted 100%, Ii love grappling arts but for flexibility and long legs Ii have used some kicks that are not recomended for "the street" even if my eperience in striking arts is very limited...

You can download videos from the system on filestube but they're a little weak. They provide very little detail.

I have long flexible legs myself, and I excel in using them in BJJ/Sambo/Judo and Muay Thai. I prefer not to use flashy kicks other than just leg and body kicks (rib or liver shots).

 

[Dark Knight]

Universal Soldier: Regeneration had excellent fight scenes in it. I'm not sure who choreographed but it was done well.

I think it's a good parallel because it is brute strength and technique (Dolph) vs agility and technique (Van Damm). The size disparity between the two would probably be on par with what we imagine the size difference will be with Bane and Batman.

Have a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Wn36lrQ3w - sorry there is an ugly advertisement dead center but you'll still be able to see it all.

edit: the above link is really violent at the end.

That was an excellent fight scene. Probably the best I have seen JCVD and Dolph do out of all their films actually. Seeing something like that with Bale vs Hardy onscreen would be fabulous! I want to see a long brutal fight scene like that in TDKRises without a doubt. They probably won't show as much blood but as long as they show a little, it will work.

 

[Dark Knight]

The Craig films closely mimicked Bourne's style. So yet again, we're back to what I think most people wanted in the first place; a Batman that can move and fight at least as good as Matt f----n Damon.

I'm surprised amidst all the the debate between fighting styles and shooting methods, the very fact that we haven't had a single, memorable, and eye-catching fight scene from the goddamn Batman has not unified fans in anger.

Yeah, I think the best fight scenes we have had are the ones with Ra's in the beginning of BB. The one toward the end of BB could have been better also.

 

[regwec]

Sean Bean vs Pierce Brosnan in Goldeneye was a good scrap, if I remember rightly.

 

[Gianakin_]

You do. It was a very brutal fight.

 

[Piuchén]

You can download videos from the system on filestube but they're a little weak. They provide very little detail.

I have long flexible legs myself, and I excel in using them in BJJ/Sambo/Judo and Muay Thai. I prefer not to use flashy kicks other than just leg and body kicks (rib or liver shots).

Thank´s I´ll check those later.

 

[Gotham Knight]

You do. It was a very brutal fight.

Easily one of the best fighting scenes ever.

 

[Gianakin_]

Agreed.

 

[twostep]

This is my favorite fight scene ever. It's Jackie Chan vs. Benny The Jet Urquidez in Wheels on Meals. Doesn't really have a lot to do with Batman as it wouldn't fit in Nolan's world, but I still think it's a great one.

One of the first fight scenes that I know of that the characters took damage from things like jabs and blocking blows. It's also an awesome display of boxing, kickboxing, and gymnastics. That and Jackie Chan adds his charm into it.

You can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Wrxc2iQfI

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Sean Bean vs Pierce Brosnan in Goldeneye was a good scrap, if I remember rightly.

Funnily enough I watched that last night. The whole time I was thinking, "I wish Nolan would shoot his fight scenes more like this". It was erratic, but not to much it was hard to tell what was happening like in BB, and used a lot of elbows, punches, kicks, shoves and tackles, and really seemed like something that would work perfectly with Bane.

 

[Dark Knight]

Sean Bean vs Pierce Brosnan in Goldeneye was a good scrap, if I remember rightly.

Yeah, that was a good one. Martin Campbell is the man when it comes to fight scenes. He knows what he is doing. I hope he brings some of that to the table for the Green Lantern film.

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by twostep
Universal Soldier: Regeneration had excellent fight scenes in it. I'm not sure who choreographed but it was done well.

I think it's a good parallel because it is brute strength and technique (Dolph) vs agility and technique (Van Damm). The size disparity between the two would probably be on par with what we imagine the size difference will be with Bane and Batman.

Have a look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Wn36lrQ3w - sorry there is an ugly advertisement dead center but you'll still be able to see it all.

edit: the above link is really violent at the end.




^^^^^^
That was an excellent fight scene.

Probably the best I have seen JCVD and Dolph do out of all their films actually. Seeing something like that with Bale vs Hardy onscreen would be fabulous!

I want to see a long brutal fight scene like that in TDKRises without a doubt. They probably won't show as much blood but as long as they show a little, it will work.

 

[imposserus]

what about some combat styles we want to see?
I wish we saw more Wing Chun in the batbattles. In forever we get a little of him working with a wingchun wooden dummy, but it never showed up in the fights.
If anyone here is familar with it, wingchun is devastating when employed by someone who knows it well, (bruce lee started with wingchun) and the concepts used suit the batman perfectly. straightforward direct attacks, even when intercepting an attack. it's never block then stick, it's block and strike at the same time.

I don't think it should be the only style we see, but there should be a noticable amount.
KFM works good for him, but it needs to be balanced out for the sake of entertainment.
Kali and Sambo would be welcome additions

The batman should be able to destroy most opponents in a moment, with minimal effort and motion, Wingchun Kali and Sambo allow you to do this. No fancy spinkicks and what not, leave that for the acrobat in the redvest. The bat man just ruins your day in a couple quick motions and moves on to the next. This is what we want to see on screen, and with all the money we've given to WB over the years, I say they owe it to us

 

[grand-I-am]

The fighting is fine. Maybe take the camera out a little bit further, and make the moves somewhat more clear for the audience to see.

The best part about Nolan's fight scenes, which I think gets overlooked and unappreciated by many fanboys, is that they feel dangerous. You get the sense that people are really getting hurt, and it's not pretty. You see that Batman is a no-nonsense ass kicker. The scenes don't shift the focus of the movie away from the danger and suspense and onto some show-off acrobatics.

I'm not saying Nolan's fights can't be improved upon, but I vastly prefer them to the alternative on the other end of the spectrum: soft, overly slow-mo, balletic "fights" that look more like elaborate dances than actual combat. That crap went out after the Matrix sequels bombed, but has started to reappear in things like Zach Snyder's films.

I hate that style. The second such a movie goes into slow-mo (which will last for the next 10 seconds to a minute), you instantly lose any sense of danger for the hero. He's too busy looking kewl. Slow-mo is for highlighting key moments, not entire fights like in 300. The best fight in Watchmen was when Ozymandias fought Rorschach and Nite Owl near the end. That was fast and looked like an actual fight. Not like the the earlier prison riot, where Dan and Laurie toyed with helpless thugs in slow-mo for a full minute straight.

I agree with ChickenScratch. Look at Bourne and Taken (I'd also like to add Casino Royale) for inspiration, not the dime-a-dozen wire-fu dance movies.

No movie fight is TRULY realistic, even the ones in Nolan's Batman or the examples I listed above. However there are different levels of realism. Go for verisimilitude in fight scenes, the way everything else in Nolan's Batman movies was done.

I never complained about the fighting scenes either...i guess one gripe is the camera should be a be a bit more farther...but other than that the fighting looked good to me..

i guess people want perfection in everything even when that something is good as is...

 

[Godzilla2014]

The fighting is fine. Maybe take the camera out a little bit further, and make the moves somewhat more clear for the audience to see.

The best part about Nolan's fight scenes, which I think gets overlooked and unappreciated by many fanboys, is that they feel dangerous. You get the sense that people are really getting hurt, and it's not pretty. You see that Batman is a no-nonsense ass kicker. The scenes don't shift the focus of the movie away from the danger and suspense and onto some show-off acrobatics.

I'm not saying Nolan's fights can't be improved upon, but I vastly prefer them to the alternative on the other end of the spectrum: soft, overly slow-mo, balletic "fights" that look more like elaborate dances than actual combat. That crap went out after the Matrix sequels bombed, but has started to reappear in things like Zach Snyder's films.

I hate that style. The second such a movie goes into slow-mo (which will last for the next 10 seconds to a minute), you instantly lose any sense of danger for the hero. He's too busy looking kewl. Slow-mo is for highlighting key moments, not entire fights like in 300. The best fight in Watchmen was when Ozymandias fought Rorschach and Nite Owl near the end. That was fast and looked like an actual fight. Not like the the earlier prison riot, where Dan and Laurie toyed with helpless thugs in slow-mo for a full minute straight.

I agree with ChickenScratch. Look at Bourne and Taken (I'd also like to add Casino Royale) for inspiration, not the dime-a-dozen wire-fu dance movies.

No movie fight is TRULY realistic, even the ones in Nolan's Batman or the examples I listed above. However there are different levels of realism. Go for verisimilitude in fight scenes, the way everything else in Nolan's Batman movies was done.

Wholeheartedly agree!

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I have a feeling that were going to see a serious facelift on the fight scenes for this film, with Bane being such a physical adversary it's almost an implied necessary improvement

 

[Doc Samson]

Like I said previously, given the suit, I just don't know how much fluid, smooth motion they can actually achieve. Depending on how they interpret Bane, their fights could resemble what we got in BB between Bats & Ras, I don't really see them improving this much at all

 

[CristiMAN]

Keep it in the same style of the previous ones. Begins was unique. I can understand those who didn't like, but for me it was amazing we could not get exactly what was happening. I loved how it looked like the bats flying over young bruce. In TDK we got to see a litle more, but no crappy slow motion or over the top stylistic fighting style. I'm happy with that. Keep it real and not over the top.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Keep it in the same style of the previous ones. Begins was unique. I can understand those who didn't like, but for me it was amazing we could not get exactly what was happening. I loved how it looked like the bats flying over young bruce. In TDK we got to see a litle more, but no crappy slow motion or over the top stylistic fighting style. I'm happy with that. Keep it real and not over the top.

See, for me, it was just annoying. Movies are a visual medium, and it's one thing when it's a one-time stylistic choice. (Batman's first fight as Batman. We experience it from the thug's POV. So we barely see him), but not the whole time. Then it just gets annoying. If you can't tell what's going on in every fight in the movie, then it's just bad editing. A little bit of it I was fine with, when they were doing the "horror-movie-moments." But not every fight.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I think Kali would do extraordinary well in a Bat flick. In a real situation, a smart combatant will not seek fancy and flashy strikes. He or she is gonna want to end a fight in single digit seconds by any means necessary -- breaking and tearing wrists, fingers, elbows, tendons, ligaments, etc.

And Kali/Escrima/Silat possesses that ability, and provides that style.

Especially considering that Bane will be the bigger and stronger opponent, speed will play a huge factor this time around.

 

[Piuchén]

I have a feeling that were going to see a serious facelift on the fight scenes for this film, with Bane being such a physical adversary it's almost an implied necessary improvement

Yeah, also Bale is coming from a boxing movie (say whatever but boxing mechanics are in almost every of those military styles) so he will put combinations to work because Bane won´t fall with an entrey with two elbows strikes...
Hardy is coming from an MMA movie so he knows at least basic stuff, I can see Bane having killer takedowns.

 

[RedSkull]

Yeah but Bale (batman) can't use traditional punches on Bane...I don't see how that will effect him, at least if he's built the way he is in comics. He'll probably have to try a number of different things to take him down and eventually rely on gadgets

 

[imposserus]

i thought the battles in bb were way batter than the second one
although i did like the adam west style party brawl at the fund raiser... (all that was missing was biff bang pow)

and i don't want flashy wire work or slow motion

i wan't practicle ip man style WC + Kali + Sambo/KFM

and please no muy thai, it's over done in everyway... predictable

 

[Piuchén]

i thought the battles in bb were way batter than the second one
although i did like the adam west style party brawl at the fund raiser... (all that was missing was biff bang pow)

and i don't want flashy wire work or slow motion

i wan't practicle ip man style WC + Kali + Sambo/KFM

and please no muy thai, it's over done in everyway... predictable

I love Thai but bone against bone with Bane will be like meh...WC maybe will work, I don´t know, we´ll have to wait.

 

[imposserus]

Muy Thai is never bone against bone
it's always Hard to Soft / Soft to Hard

**rediculous hypothetical**
if i were the batperson, and had to battle say solomon grundy (cuz i would run from bane and try to hit him with a truck instead)
i would go with lots juijutsu and wing chun
allowing me as the smaller person use grundys size and momentum to his detriment

but then again, if I were the batperson, I'de probably use a rifle